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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 18, 2016 20:00:34 GMT
It's a good opportunity for Ellis to hopefully get a run of starts and a few goals. He wasn't likely to get that here at the moment so it makes sense to let him have a month on loan. I can understand him being a bit frustrated and wanting more game time. Hopefully he benefits from his spell away and comes back full of confidence and ready to play his part in our run in. Hartlepool is a good move. They're not threat to us but play some teams that may have an eye on the play offs, so if he can help Hartlepool get a few results that could work in our favour Obviously we lose a decent option from our bench for a month but we still have Bodin and Easter so no need to bring in a stop gap unless we pick up any injuries. But neither Bodin or Easter can play Harrison's CF role, if they could we could have saved the money on signing Gaffney? Letting Harrison go for a month without replacing him could cost us a top 3 place bearing in mind we have to play the likes of Plymouth, Accrington & Pompey during the next month.
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Post by peterpirate on Jan 18, 2016 20:16:23 GMT
He's lost a bit of fire in his belly the last month or two,for him to go away and work hard and come back and give dc a problem picking the attack is what I'm hoping for If Ellis is firing it will make mt step up a notch,a bit of healthy competition is what strikers need,knowing if they have a sh**e game they could be on the bench for the next one
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Post by oddsongas on Jan 18, 2016 20:23:46 GMT
It's a good opportunity for Ellis to hopefully get a run of starts and a few goals. He wasn't likely to get that here at the moment so it makes sense to let him have a month on loan. I can understand him being a bit frustrated and wanting more game time. Hopefully he benefits from his spell away and comes back full of confidence and ready to play his part in our run in. Hartlepool is a good move. They're not threat to us but play some teams that may have an eye on the play offs, so if he can help Hartlepool get a few results that could work in our favour Obviously we lose a decent option from our bench for a month but we still have Bodin and Easter so no need to bring in a stop gap unless we pick up any injuries. But neither Bodin or Easter can play Harrison's CF role, if they could we could have saved the money on signing Gaffney? Letting Harrison go for a month without replacing him could cost us a top 3 place bearing in mind we have to play the likes of Plymouth, Accrington & Pompey during the next month. Harrison's couldn't play the CF role either, he couldn't hold it up or bully the defence, so in many ways was the same and Easter, bodin anyway
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Post by lincsblue on Jan 18, 2016 20:30:13 GMT
As I had never watched Gaffney I was not in a position to say what sort of player he was but questioned why we were borrowing a player who couldn't get into a side in the lower reaches of the same division,rather than looking at players from a higher division,never claimed to know everything,only ome man can do that and the Romans did for him. It was an opinion pure and simple,and lets be fair DC doesnt get them all right Lower reaches??? When we took Gaffney on loan, there were just 3 points between the two teams......
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Post by GasAttacK on Jan 18, 2016 22:11:47 GMT
It's a good opportunity for Ellis to hopefully get a run of starts and a few goals. He wasn't likely to get that here at the moment so it makes sense to let him have a month on loan. I can understand him being a bit frustrated and wanting more game time. Hopefully he benefits from his spell away and comes back full of confidence and ready to play his part in our run in. Hartlepool is a good move. They're not threat to us but play some teams that may have an eye on the play offs, so if he can help Hartlepool get a few results that could work in our favour Obviously we lose a decent option from our bench for a month but we still have Bodin and Easter so no need to bring in a stop gap unless we pick up any injuries. But neither Bodin or Easter can play Harrison's CF role, if they could we could have saved the money on signing Gaffney? Letting Harrison go for a month without replacing him could cost us a top 3 place bearing in mind we have to play the likes of Plymouth, Accrington & Pompey during the next month. To a certain extent I do agree. If Gaffney stays fit for the next 4 weeks I don't think it's a problem but if he picks up an injury we might need a short term fix. Given Ellis was desperate to get some games under his belt I don't think DC had a lot of choice.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 18, 2016 22:19:21 GMT
But neither Bodin or Easter can play Harrison's CF role, if they could we could have saved the money on signing Gaffney? Letting Harrison go for a month without replacing him could cost us a top 3 place bearing in mind we have to play the likes of Plymouth, Accrington & Pompey during the next month. To a certain extent I do agree. If Gaffney stays fit for the next 4 weeks I don't think it's a problem but if he picks up an injury we might need a short term fix. Given Ellis was desperate to get some games under his belt I don't think DC had a lot of choice. Not only injury but the way Gaffney plays he usually needs subbing after 80 mins, don't forget he came to Rovers to get fit originally! A bit more info behind the move here: www.bristolpost.co.uk/BRISTOL-ROVERS-Andy-Monkhouse-pivotal-decision/story-28549900-detail/story.htmlFair play to Ellis for making the move
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Post by William Wilson on Jan 18, 2016 22:21:08 GMT
But neither Bodin or Easter can play Harrison's CF role, if they could we could have saved the money on signing Gaffney? Letting Harrison go for a month without replacing him could cost us a top 3 place bearing in mind we have to play the likes of Plymouth, Accrington & Pompey during the next month. To a certain extent I do agree. If Gaffney stays fit for the next 4 weeks I don't think it's a problem but if he picks up an injury we might need a short term fix. Given Ellis was desperate to get some games under his belt I don't think DC had a lot of choice. Agreed. Whatever the future holds for Ellis, I`ll never forget the goals he scored in last season`s run in, especially the one in the play off final. He has talent, no doubt about it. Sadly, getting it out of him on a regular basis, seems to be problematic.
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Post by justin blue on Jan 18, 2016 23:31:17 GMT
Although I think exiling him to Hartlepool was a bit extreme I think a loan spell is the right move for Ellis at this time. Ellis has always divided supporters and many would say his naive behaviour does him no favours, but lately his detractors have been voicing their feelings and giving him a hard time on here and on the terrace. Ellis is only 21 and probable an immature 21 at that, I think the relentless criticism must have an effect on him. Maybe away from here Ellis can be judged by what he does on the field.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 19, 2016 8:46:59 GMT
Although I think exiling him to Hartlepool was a bit extreme I think a loan spell is the right move for Ellis at this time. Ellis has always divided supporters and many would say his naive behaviour does him no favours, but lately his detractors have been voicing their feelings and giving him a hard time on here and on the terrace. Ellis is only 21 and probable an immature 21 at that, I think the relentless criticism must have an effect on him. Maybe away from here Ellis can be judged by what he does on the field. See my above link to B Post article, EH clearly decided to make the move himself.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2016 10:11:24 GMT
I remember when Ellis used to run at defenders
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Post by Iliveinbidefordgas on Jan 19, 2016 10:27:26 GMT
100% agree hope he goes up there gets back to like u say running at defenders go for ellis
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Post by mehewmagic on Jan 19, 2016 10:55:40 GMT
I remember when Ellis used to run at defenders 1 - AFC Wimbledon - gained a sending off that wasn;t even a sending off 2 - He is most probably told to be a semi-target man when he plays alongside smaller players, and thus plays with his back to defenders more than average. One thing that does confuse me about fans' opinions of Ellis is that he actually can be pretty darn good as a semi-target man. he is relatively tall, can jump, has strength and can twist and turn like the Billy Ocean of old. maybe some fans need to lower their expectations of a 21 year old, or at least realise he can't do EVERY role some people expect of the lad - target man, off the shoulder, clinical finisher, pacy front man, and demon penalty striker.
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Post by mehewmagic on Jan 19, 2016 10:56:41 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2016 11:36:42 GMT
I remember when Ellis used to run at defenders 1 - AFC Wimbledon - gained a sending off that wasn;t even a sending off 2 - He is most probably told to be a semi-target man when he plays alongside smaller players, and thus plays with his back to defenders more than average. One thing that does confuse me about fans' opinions of Ellis is that he actually can be pretty darn good as a semi-target man. he is relatively tall, can jump, has strength and can twist and turn like the Billy Ocean of old. maybe some fans need to lower their expectations of a 21 year old, or at least realise he can't do EVERY role some people expect of the lad - target man, off the shoulder, clinical finisher, pacy front man, and demon penalty striker. i think you make a good point about having to be a target man because of the other strikers like easter and taylor being small,for me hes better suited to playing off a target man with his pace and shooting power rather than having his back to goal.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 19, 2016 11:38:48 GMT
I remember when Ellis used to run at defenders 1 - AFC Wimbledon - gained a sending off that wasn;t even a sending off 2 - He is most probably told to be a semi-target man when he plays alongside smaller players, and thus plays with his back to defenders more than average. One thing that does confuse me about fans' opinions of Ellis is that he actually can be pretty darn good as a semi-target man. he is relatively tall, can jump, has strength and can twist and turn like the Billy Ocean of old. maybe some fans need to lower their expectations of a 21 year old, or at least realise he can't do EVERY role some people expect of the lad - target man, off the shoulder, clinical finisher, pacy front man, and demon penalty striker. Not sure a player can take the praise for a ref making the wrong decision? Plus it highlights just how poor EH has been lately when he played against 10 men, with the !st choice CB missing, but still failed to score/have an decent attemtps on goal. Although you do wonder if he;d be better alongside Gaffney rather than Taylor, from memory his best game for Rovers last season was at Kidderminster alongside Blisset, although whether he was good or Kidderminster's just defence poor is debatable?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2016 12:02:36 GMT
Ellis turned Newport down in favour of Hartlepool, thought being from the area he would have went there.
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Post by mehewmagic on Jan 19, 2016 12:02:54 GMT
1 - AFC Wimbledon - gained a sending off that wasn;t even a sending off 2 - He is most probably told to be a semi-target man when he plays alongside smaller players, and thus plays with his back to defenders more than average. One thing that does confuse me about fans' opinions of Ellis is that he actually can be pretty darn good as a semi-target man. he is relatively tall, can jump, has strength and can twist and turn like the Billy Ocean of old. maybe some fans need to lower their expectations of a 21 year old, or at least realise he can't do EVERY role some people expect of the lad - target man, off the shoulder, clinical finisher, pacy front man, and demon penalty striker. Not sure a player can take the praise for a ref making the wrong decision? Plus it highlights just how poor EH has been lately when he played against 10 men, with the !st choice CB missing, but still failed to score/have an decent attemtps on goal. Although you do wonder if he;d be better alongside Gaffney rather than Taylor, from memory his best game for Rovers last season was at Kidderminster alongside Blisset, although whether he was good or Kidderminster's just defence poor is debatable? wasn't trying to make a big point but if someone suggests Ellis doesn't run at defenders I will point to a hard fact of when he did and the positive outcome it had for us. I appreciate people don't like facts though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2016 12:17:27 GMT
Not sure a player can take the praise for a ref making the wrong decision? Plus it highlights just how poor EH has been lately when he played against 10 men, with the !st choice CB missing, but still failed to score/have an decent attemtps on goal. Although you do wonder if he;d be better alongside Gaffney rather than Taylor, from memory his best game for Rovers last season was at Kidderminster alongside Blisset, although whether he was good or Kidderminster's just defence poor is debatable? wasn't trying to make a big point but if someone suggests Ellis doesn't run at defenders I will point to a hard fact of when he did and the positive outcome it had for us. I appreciate people don't like facts though. Nope, people don't like facts. Most notably the fact that Ellis Harrison has gone out on loan because he's not good enough to get in this Rovers side.
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Post by RD on Jan 19, 2016 12:47:18 GMT
Ellis turned Newport down in favour of Hartlepool, thought being from the area he would have went there. I thought I read/heard that DC chose Hartlepool (i.e. it wasn't Ellis' decision on who he could join - Hartlepool were chosen and his only decision was to go there or stay here)
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Post by kylegas on Jan 19, 2016 12:52:59 GMT
Ellis turned Newport down in favour of Hartlepool, thought being from the area he would have went there. Maybe he took the option that meant more game time? Total guess but you'd think there would have to be a good reason behind not bein close to homeland and Bristol
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