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Post by pirate49 on Mar 22, 2016 16:21:40 GMT
On a lighter note.....I am reliably informed that the paper shredders have been in constant use @ the Mem. over the last few days!
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Post by RD on Mar 22, 2016 16:38:29 GMT
On a lighter note.....I am reliably informed that the paper shredders have been in constant use @ the Mem. over the last few days!
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Post by bluebeard on Mar 22, 2016 16:43:38 GMT
I can understand the vitriol directed towards our last couple of chairmen but I really don't get the hatred of Watola. Is it because he was receiving a salary and he had the word "Finance" in his job title? Obviously the club's finances were in a pretty dire state but do other organisations hold their bean counter responsible? Does anyone know his contracted hours, his actual remit and how much input he had in terms of budget and planning? It could be that the directors dictated policy and his job was merely to calculate and record how much it was all costing. And I have never understood the not budgeting for relegation thing. The likelihood of us going out of the football league that season is clearly very debatable but what would a worst case scenario forecast have actually achieved? It may have prompted the board to throw money at the squad but surely everyone knew relegation would be disastrous anyway. TW could have prepared a doomsday budget before, during and after the relegation season but I don't see what difference it would have made. The club couldn't break even in L2 so the outcome was always going to be major cost reductions and a lower playing budget the following season. If TW is guilty of anything it's naivety in thinking he wouldn't be held personally responsible for the club's downfall by making the "last 20 minutes" comment. Can he be blamed for the failed stadium project? He appears to have been involved in the day to day administration but do people really believe he was making major decisions? Anyway, time to move on. NH & GD had varying degrees of failure during their reigns but as the men at the top, they should both have expected to be held accountable. TW was merely an employee. If you firmly believe he was incompetent in the role he was asked to do then you will be glad he is now out of a job.
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Post by bluebeard on Mar 22, 2016 16:52:00 GMT
So we have played a grand total of less than 10 games since November 25th,some calendar you have,you must be the biggest know all I have ever had the misfortune to come across and I have met some real belters,SO qualified in the intricacies of the game that all you can do is deride other peoples opinions,because obviously they are so inferior to one of your undoubted super intellect,perhaps you could show us mere mortals pictures of your university doctorates or nobel prizes.You are the biggest PRATT I have heard off.so perhaps that is where you get your intelligence,the international school of idiots Oh dear, oh dear - getting personal now; careful, you could get banned for that. I said roughly ten games - talk about being selective with your argument. You could have fronted up and admitted you got it wrong but nope - twisting your argument further now. Just be honest Padstow; you don't know half as much as you like to tell all and sundry that you think you do. To have you moaning about another posters' inability to consider another person's opinion is quite possibly the most ironic thing I have ever read. I think most of us are guilty of reacting to a couple of good or a couple of bad performances then assuming an upward or downward trend will continue. Football isn't an exact science. On a more positive note, I wonder whether TW had chance to prepare a L1 budget before he left?
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Post by youmadethatup on Mar 22, 2016 16:53:39 GMT
I can understand the vitriol directed towards our last couple of chairmen but I really don't get the hatred of Watola. Is it because he was receiving a salary and he had the word "Finance" in his job title? Obviously the club's finances were in a pretty dire state but do other organisations hold their bean counter responsible? Does anyone know his contracted hours, his actual remit and how much input he had in terms of budget and planning? It could be that the directors dictated policy and his job was merely to calculate and record how much it was all costing. And I have never understood the not budgeting for relegation thing. The likelihood of us going out of the football league that season is clearly very debatable but what would a worst case scenario forecast have actually achieved? It may have prompted the board to throw money at the squad but surely everyone knew relegation would be disastrous anyway. TW could have prepared a doomsday budget before, during and after the relegation season but I don't see what difference it would have made. The club couldn't break even in L2 so the outcome was always going to be major cost reductions and a lower playing budget the following season. If TW is guilty of anything it's naivety in thinking he wouldn't be held personally responsible for the club's downfall by making the "last 20 minutes" comment. Can he be blamed for the failed stadium project? He appears to have been involved in the day to day administration but do people really believe he was making major decisions? Anyway, time to move on. NH & GD had varying degrees of failure during their reigns but as the men at the top, they should both have expected to be held accountable. TW was merely an employee. If you firmly believe he was incompetent in the role he was asked to do then you will be glad he is now out of a job. I dont know the ins and outs of things at football clubs but i would imagine that every season a financial plan should be in place to cover most outcomes be that promotion or relegation,a well attended season or a poor turnout through the gates. Plans have to be flexible obviously and unforseen events can occur ,but a basic financial plan should exist. Im surprised that having reasonably successful business people on the board that its not something they would have seen as a mandatory requirement ?? Still thats in the past and one would hope the new regime with their background might be a little wiser on the finance side !
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Post by johnanagram on Mar 22, 2016 16:57:07 GMT
I thought this was the polite forum?
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Post by johnanagram on Mar 22, 2016 16:58:16 GMT
On a lighter note.....I am reliably informed that the paper shredders have been in constant use @ the Mem. over the last few days! Apparently the National Grid has detected a power surge......
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 22, 2016 17:03:26 GMT
I have a BSc. Got a 2:1 at UWE.
True story.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2016 17:10:07 GMT
I thought this was the polite forum? Well you were wrong Lycra arse.
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Post by youmadethatup on Mar 22, 2016 17:12:04 GMT
I have a BSc. Got a 2:1 at UWE. True story. I have a 2.4 We are talking engine sizes are'nt we ?! Im sure i have an ungraded in physics o level somewhere.....it takes a special kind of skill to score that badly !
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Post by johnanagram on Mar 22, 2016 17:16:21 GMT
I can understand the vitriol directed towards our last couple of chairmen but I really don't get the hatred of Watola. Is it because he was receiving a salary and he had the word "Finance" in his job title? Obviously the club's finances were in a pretty dire state but do other organisations hold their bean counter responsible? Does anyone know his contracted hours, his actual remit and how much input he had in terms of budget and planning? It could be that the directors dictated policy and his job was merely to calculate and record how much it was all costing. And I have never understood the not budgeting for relegation thing. The likelihood of us going out of the football league that season is clearly very debatable but what would a worst case scenario forecast have actually achieved? It may have prompted the board to throw money at the squad but surely everyone knew relegation would be disastrous anyway. TW could have prepared a doomsday budget before, during and after the relegation season but I don't see what difference it would have made. The club couldn't break even in L2 so the outcome was always going to be major cost reductions and a lower playing budget the following season. If TW is guilty of anything it's naivety in thinking he wouldn't be held personally responsible for the club's downfall by making the "last 20 minutes" comment. Can he be blamed for the failed stadium project? He appears to have been involved in the day to day administration but do people really believe he was making major decisions? Anyway, time to move on. NH & GD had varying degrees of failure during their reigns but as the men at the top, they should both have expected to be held accountable. TW was merely an employee. If you firmly believe he was incompetent in the role he was asked to do then you will be glad he is now out of a job. 1. He was Director of Finance so sat on the board, so you would assume that he was right at the centre of policy decisions relating to the spending of money. 2. I think what caused the annoyance was that he appeared to dismiss the relegation as a bit of an accident and with a throw away line at the Supporters Club meeting held after the end of that season. Whilst we had all witnessed the team struggling over a number of seasons relegation appeared to be an accident waiting to happen. 3. He gave evidence in court around the stadium issue on behalf of the club which would tend to suggest that he was very much at the centre of matters not a fringe player the original writ makes that pretty clear because he appeared to be the link between the club and Sainsburys. 4. It is always regrettable when people lose their jobs and it maybe that Mr Watola feels he has been forced out to an extent by circumstances. Innocent non-playing members of staff were made redundant after the relegation who were earning far less than he was.
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Post by johnanagram on Mar 22, 2016 17:20:47 GMT
I have a BSc. Got a 2:1 at UWE. True story. Bronze Personal Survival Swimming Award.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2016 17:30:42 GMT
I have a BSc. Got a 2:1 at UWE. True story. I got a GCSE D grade in English Lit at Lawrence Weston Comprehensive.
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Post by pirate49 on Mar 22, 2016 17:52:40 GMT
I have a BSc. Got a 2:1 at UWE. True story. My friend studied Drama and Dance....she got a 2.2
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Post by peterparker on Mar 22, 2016 18:12:42 GMT
I can understand the vitriol directed towards our last couple of chairmen but I really don't get the hatred of Watola. Is it because he was receiving a salary and he had the word "Finance" in his job title? Obviously the club's finances were in a pretty dire state but do other organisations hold their bean counter responsible? Does anyone know his contracted hours, his actual remit and how much input he had in terms of budget and planning? It could be that the directors dictated policy and his job was merely to calculate and record how much it was all costing. And I have never understood the not budgeting for relegation thing. The likelihood of us going out of the football league that season is clearly very debatable but what would a worst case scenario forecast have actually achieved? It may have prompted the board to throw money at the squad but surely everyone knew relegation would be disastrous anyway. TW could have prepared a doomsday budget before, during and after the relegation season but I don't see what difference it would have made. The club couldn't break even in L2 so the outcome was always going to be major cost reductions and a lower playing budget the following season. If TW is guilty of anything it's naivety in thinking he wouldn't be held personally responsible for the club's downfall by making the "last 20 minutes" comment. Can he be blamed for the failed stadium project? He appears to have been involved in the day to day administration but do people really believe he was making major decisions? Anyway, time to move on. NH & GD had varying degrees of failure during their reigns but as the men at the top, they should both have expected to be held accountable. TW was merely an employee. If you firmly believe he was incompetent in the role he was asked to do then you will be glad he is now out of a job. I dont know the ins and outs of things at football clubs but i would imagine that every season a financial plan should be in place to cover most outcomes be that promotion or relegation,a well attended season or a poor turnout through the gates. Plans have to be flexible obviously and unforseen events can occur ,but a basic financial plan should exist. Im surprised that having reasonably successful business people on the board that its not something they would have seen as a mandatory requirement ?? Still thats in the past and one would hope the new regime with their background might be a little wiser on the finance side ! Indeed, 'we' had no idea what the cost of relegation was until after it happened and trying to find out. What annoyed me as well was the story in the paper during the conference season painting him as a having this job to do, unfortunately having to let people go, which whilst all true was hard to stomach when he had zero idea what relegation cost.
At the start of the season, whatever division you are in, you should know prize monies for league finish, what you will lose if you got relegated from any division. If you are using an historical average attendance to base your budget on you should be able to assume lobbing off 500/1000 etc if you did go down
you basically have 3 scenarios at the start of any season, to not have an idea the implications of one or any is pretty poor
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 22, 2016 18:42:42 GMT
Sure I've said this before on this thread but even if you have a plan what could you do with it until we were relegated? To be fair to TW he was part of the team which kept us financially above water last season which helped us to return to league football and eventually sell the club.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 22, 2016 20:23:52 GMT
I have a BSc. Got a 2:1 at UWE. True story. I got a GCSE D grade in English Lit at Lawrence Weston Comprehensive. No one left LW Comp with such high achievements. I call BS.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2016 20:51:05 GMT
Look, it's gone far beyond qualifications now: get your willies out and we can settle this with a tape measure.
Please don't lock this mods this is the thread which keeps on giving.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2016 21:04:32 GMT
Also, to the earlier poster who said we were all on the same side - we aren't.
Some support a team called Bristol Rovers and others have chosen a club that always makes the wrong move, has crap managers (even when they win), are going down the pan with modern society, the CD, the print press and nothing will deviate them from this pessimistic ill omen of perpetual misfortune!
It's odd why individuals are drawn to such a club - especially when our second type of supporter also bizzarely have the innate ability of predicting future events, foreseeing disasters whilst entering a trance like state when on the forums and incredibly insightful hunch-vision - making hindsight a thing of the past!
Such an ironic, cruel fate for those best qualified to make decisions and judgements on the entire plethora of activities running a professional football club are drawn, like a moth to the flame which burns them, to such a poorly run club with nutcase fans who get behind winning teams.
As they know, the winning is just masking DCs utter incompetence. It's just a smokescreen of performance to obscure the poor performance....I think?
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Post by peterparker on Mar 22, 2016 21:54:38 GMT
Sure I've said this before on this thread but even if you have a plan what could you do with it until we were relegated? To be fair to TW he was part of the team which kept us financially above water last season which helped us to return to league football and eventually sell the club. Not a plan, knowing the implications/cost. If you know you are in danger (or promoted early) you can prepare If you are the chair with 4 or 5 games left when you may go down, arent you asking questuons about the cost, what we will lose out on? 'We' buried are head in the sand and didnt beleive it could happen to us
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