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Post by Big Jock on Jun 9, 2016 21:46:23 GMT
George Osborne saw a little ol lady struggling wit two heavy bags o shopping,
"You shouldn't be struggling with those two bags of shopping, let me help," he said.
So he halved her pension so she could only afford one in future
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 10, 2016 4:24:05 GMT
Hahaha. Something posted on a public forum has nothing to do with a registered user of that public forum? Umad bro? Like I said, keep your beak out! Lolz
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2016 6:32:00 GMT
"but the foreigner/immigrant card has been played so often in this campaign that it can't be ignored or denied" Hang on a minute. Are you suggesting that to even mention the hallowed word "Immigrant", then it marks someone down as a racist! I don't think I'm blind, nor deaf, but I reckon you should either delete yor post, or radically edit it. The immigrant issue is real. It's out there, it's happening, and it affects the majority in the UK. To suggest the immigrant issue is 'a card' is a pretty lazy viewpoint. Come to Germany and see what is heading your way ! It'll open your feckin eyes ! I've tried to only deal in facts during this debate, but the level of petty observations shown in the last page of this thread is demoralising. I've just switched off the 'debate' on ITV because I want to hear real facts. Instead, all it was was the 'Remain' group constantly making peronal digs at Boris Johnson. Have either 'in' or 'out' groups come out with any real facts? This is a problem Bags. After 40+ years of being in the EU, I would expect the Remain camp to be flooding us with facts and figures showing the benefits of the EU, yet what they have given us is.....nothing. The question here has to be, just what are the benefits? The Remain group have full access to the Civil Service, so getting real facts and figures should be a doddle. It's more difficult for the Leave group, as they have no access to the Civil Service, so therefore are unable to get the true facts and figures.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2016 9:43:01 GMT
"9 out of 10 economists support Remain....." BSE made a big play out of “nine out of ten economists” apparently warning against Brexit this week. The figure was based on a self-selecting Ipsos MORI survey of economists from the Royal Economic Society and the Society of Business Economists. But BSE had some fun with the figures… The survey was sent out to 3,818 economists. Only 639 (or 16.7%) replied, of which 561 said Brexit would be bad for the economy. That’s just 14.7% of the total number of economists contacted. So rather than nine out of ten economists warning against Brexit, it was actually closer one in seven. Not that you’d know that from their cheeky statistics trickery…" Order Order
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Post by supergas on Jun 10, 2016 11:24:04 GMT
"9 out of 10 economists support Remain....." BSE made a big play out of “nine out of ten economists” apparently warning against Brexit this week. The figure was based on a self-selecting Ipsos MORI survey of economists from the Royal Economic Society and the Society of Business Economists. But BSE had some fun with the figures… The survey was sent out to 3,818 economists. Only 639 (or 16.7%) replied, of which 561 said Brexit would be bad for the economy. That’s just 14.7% of the total number of economists contacted. So rather than nine out of ten economists warning against Brexit, it was actually closer one in seven. Not that you’d know that from their cheeky statistics trickery…" Order OrderNice to know we read the same blogs
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2016 11:34:55 GMT
"9 out of 10 economists support Remain....." BSE made a big play out of “nine out of ten economists” apparently warning against Brexit this week. The figure was based on a self-selecting Ipsos MORI survey of economists from the Royal Economic Society and the Society of Business Economists. But BSE had some fun with the figures… The survey was sent out to 3,818 economists. Only 639 (or 16.7%) replied, of which 561 said Brexit would be bad for the economy. That’s just 14.7% of the total number of economists contacted. So rather than nine out of ten economists warning against Brexit, it was actually closer one in seven. Not that you’d know that from their cheeky statistics trickery…" Order OrderNice to know we read the same blogs I like Order Order because it doesn't care which side politicians are on.........It'll pour sh** on any of them because Guido Fawkes has an intense dislike of all politicians, no matter which side of the fence they sit ! Also, having the servers based in Dublin, it can avoid a lot of the legal nonsense.
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Post by supergas on Jun 10, 2016 11:43:33 GMT
Nice to know we read the same blogs I like Order Order because it doesn't care which side politicians are on.........It'll pour sh** on any of them because Guido Fawkes has an intense dislike of all politicians, no matter which side of the fence they sit ! Also, having the servers based in Dublin, it can avoid a lot of the legal nonsense. It's as biased as the "rest" of them but at least not in an active way - by that I mean it is in general right-wing but there are 'x' number of column inches to fill...so yes, poor and/or stupid right wing politicians also come under fire from time to time....and the server location is very handy
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2016 8:20:10 GMT
Guys, just need to warn you of something if you haven't picked up on it:
Now that leave looks much more likely, the Remain camp have switched tactics.
The point they are pushing is "we don't understand the issues, there's smoke and mirrors everywhere...how can we make a decision?"
I work with several liberal democrats who are about as pro EU as it gets. Both are not ethnically British and have basically said at times that they don't like Britain as a concept (they are from places which we treated badly in the past). Nonetheless, they feel the need to work very hard to keep us in as its "right for Britain" and the reasons given for why the public is against it is, and I quote "because British people have this elitist attitude and think they're better than everyone else".
THIS is the argument and the attitude which is behind remain. It's PC folks with an axe to grind at Britain for stuff we did centuries ago. This is not about economics and politics. This is a tribal issue and lots of people, including British people, hate Britain. Union types who talk about "toffs" and think Osborne and Cameron are like Victorian industrialists and not the really vanilla, limp Tories they are. Anyone who went through uni who didn't have a strong enough mind to question their lecturers motives and groupthink. This isn't about even politics, it's about identity.
Anyway! These politically dishonest folks are now begging you to agree that "we don't understand the issues"
This is an easy thing to agree with - this subject is emotive and it offers a Leave-er a way of finding consensus with an IN-er. They're playing on that so that if they lose, they can hold another vote. They're done it EVERY time - Ireland had another vote as "they didn't understand". Indeed, you will have vote after vote until you "understand". That's when enough money and blackmail, or rigging can take place to get their result.
For the love of God, don't agree that you don't understand. You do, this is about how the EU affects YOU! Not what some technocrat or celebrity or paid journalist tells you. Please don't buy it!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2016 8:45:21 GMT
I still think the polls are way out. I think the Leave vote will romp it.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 11, 2016 8:54:39 GMT
I still think the polls are way out. I think the Leave vote will romp it. I don't know, many people fear change. I guess it's possible that apathy may cause the undecided not to vote thereby handing the advantage to the many no voters who are determined to make their vote count. Among friends and family it's about 75% in favour of leaving.
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Post by William Wilson on Jun 11, 2016 13:21:32 GMT
I still think the polls are way out. I think the Leave vote will romp it. Coral offering 9/4. Double your money, Nobby. More than double. I still think all the undecideds will vote to carry on as per. And that`ll swing it.
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Post by beaver132 on Jun 12, 2016 17:09:47 GMT
Whatever side of the referendum you're on, whichever party you support, we must hope and pray the british people make the correct decision. I hope we all remember this though; politicians have been slagging off members of their party, their own colleagues, calling them deceitful, liars, scaremongers. They have accused them of using false statistics to enhance their position. They have accused them of trying to con the british public. But, once the referendum is over, they'll go back to convincing you that they're all trustworthy principled people we should believe. That they know best. That you vote for them, not the other lot. It's then you need to remember what they said now. And ask them 'what's changed?'
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jun 12, 2016 21:19:29 GMT
I still think the polls are way out. I think the Leave vote will romp it. Coral offering 9/4. Double your money, Nobby. More than double. I still think all the undecideds will vote to carry on as per. And that`ll swing it. More than treble too.
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Post by inee on Jun 12, 2016 21:31:01 GMT
Coral offering 9/4. Double your money, Nobby. More than double. I still think all the undecideds will vote to carry on as per. And that`ll swing it. More than treble too. Eh sorry but dont understand betting does your post now mean 3 squid back for every one put down if so i imght see if i can work out how to put a tenner on
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Post by supergas on Jun 13, 2016 1:26:41 GMT
Whatever side of the referendum you're on, whichever party you support, we must hope and pray the british people make the correct decision. I hope we all remember this though; politicians have been slagging off members of their party, their own colleagues, calling them deceitful, liars, scaremongers. They have accused them of using false statistics to enhance their position. They have accused them of trying to con the british public. But, once the referendum is over, they'll go back to convincing you that they're all trustworthy principled people we should believe. That they know best. That you vote for them, not the other lot. It's then you need to remember what they said now. And ask them 'what's changed?' Given the leaders of both main parties have effectively switched their personal positions in the last 12 months, what hope have we got of knowing who really supports what? Incidentally, if you genuinely care, I think Cameron went to the EU a few months back thinking he'd get much bigger concessions than he actually did, which is a fail. I also know Corbyn has been anti-EU right up to the point where he got elected leader of the Labour party, which is a fail.....
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jun 13, 2016 5:55:35 GMT
Eh sorry but dont understand betting does your post now mean 3 squid back for every one put down if so i imght see if i can work out how to put a tenner on £3.25 returns for every £1 staked.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 7:00:13 GMT
Eh sorry but dont understand betting does your post now mean 3 squid back for every one put down if so i imght see if i can work out how to put a tenner on Same here. I wouldn't even know how to put a bet on in a Bookies.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 13, 2016 9:32:12 GMT
Eh sorry but dont understand betting does your post now mean 3 squid back for every one put down if so i imght see if i can work out how to put a tenner on Same here. I wouldn't even know how to put a bet on in a Bookies. I do the National once a year. I get the nice man in the shop to help me pick the riders in blue jumpers. I spend 50p on them each. Never win anything mind. Well, I don't think I do.
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Post by mjhgas on Jun 13, 2016 9:47:13 GMT
I've looked at the detail - Cameron, Osbourne, Corbyn, Sturgeon, Blair, Kinnock, Major and the Archbishop of Canterbury all support Remain - that's enough for me to vote OUT!
The only question that needs to be considered is if we weren't in the EU already, would we be queueing up to join?
yours faithfully,
The 5th largest economy in the world!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 9:57:07 GMT
Same here. I wouldn't even know how to put a bet on in a Bookies. I do the National once a year. I get the nice man in the shop to help me pick the riders in blue jumpers. I spend 50p on them each. Never win anything mind. Well, I don't think I do. Many moons ago, I was invited to Ascot by a hardware supplier. They 'gave' me 50 quid to bet. I queued up, and finally got to the booth. I said I wanted five quid, each way, on horse number six, and the girl then said something like, "that'll be seven pounds please" (I can't remember the exact amounts). I was flummuxed. "No", I said, "I want five pounds each way"................I was, and still am, a total numpty regarding betting. To this day I still don't understand why I had to pay more than a fiver. My old man always said, "you never see a poor bookie", hence my aversion to betting.
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