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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2016 13:56:27 GMT
International football bores me, so I haven't been watching as many games as most people have.
That said, one thing I would say is that I've seen most teams once and nobody imo has even looked above average, which is a shame as this tournament is there for the taking and was easily our best chance of winning anything since 1966.
Hopefully the players are hurting, although more likely a fair few are snorting coke off a whores ass in Vegas or something right now....
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Post by aghast on Jul 4, 2016 14:01:00 GMT
They might be young, super-rich, famous and adored by thousands at their club sides, but the pain of their performances for England will stay with them for many, many seconds.
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Post by Gastafari on Jul 4, 2016 16:51:25 GMT
A lot of that England squad that were so embarrassingly inept should never play for England again.
Joe Hart Gary Cahill Jordan Henderson Jack Wilshire Wayne Rooney
We've got some great young talent as has been proved by England U21s winning the Toulon Tournament.
If The FA get their act together and appoint a proper manager there is no reason we can't be a top footballing nation again.
With the likes of:
Jack Butland John Stones Luke Shaw Eric Dier Deli Ali Ross Barkley Marcus Rashford Harry Kane(When not on set pieces) And players like Reuben Lotus-Cheek who impressed for Chelsea at the back end of last season and was sensational in the Toulon tournament, yet to be capped,we still have a talented bunch of youngsters, they just need to be nurtured in the right way.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2016 16:59:58 GMT
A lot of that England squad that were so embarrassingly inept should never play for England again. Joe Hart Gary Cahill Jordan Henderson Jack Wilshire Wayne Rooney We've got some great young talent as has been proved by England U21s winning the Toulon Tournament. If The FA get their act together and appoint a proper manager there is no reason we can't be a top footballing nation again. With the likes of: Jack Butland John Stones Luke Shaw Eric Dier Deli Ali Ross Barkley Marcus Rashford Harry Kane(When not on set pieces) And players like Reuben Lotus-Cheek who impressed for Chelsea at the back end of last season and was sensational in the Toulon tournament, yet to be capped,we still have a talented bunch of youngsters, they just need to be nurtured in the right way. 5live was interviewing Greg Dyke the day before the Iceland debacle, and he said they are aiming to win the World cup in 2022!!! Were a million miles away from winning it, 2422 maybe.
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Post by youmadethatup on Jul 4, 2016 19:44:39 GMT
Agreed that a well drilled team will beat a talented group of individuals. However of England had a decent manager and players who gave a sh**e we would be a well drilled team that would easily beat Iceland. Yeah the next manager needs to be a modern thinking manager who understands the players and can work with them and we need a top sports psychologist to work with the players individually and as a team to get them in the right mindset. Step up Mr Hoddle. Hoddle has had his day , listening to a few of the things he says in commentary you realise he is out of touch a little. I would prefer a manager who has actually won things with the players he has available or can scrap together rather than a manager who has always had an open cheque book . As a manager who can make the best of what he has is better suited to international football where money is irrelevant. Glen Hoddle or Eddie Howe .... I would choose the latter if they were the options.
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Post by socrates on Jul 4, 2016 20:00:20 GMT
Yeah the next manager needs to be a modern thinking manager who understands the players and can work with them and we need a top sports psychologist to work with the players individually and as a team to get them in the right mindset. Step up Mr Hoddle. Hoddle has had his day , listening to a few of the things he says in commentary you realise he is out of touch a little. I would prefer a manager who has actually won things with the players he has available or can scrap together rather than a manager who has always had an open cheque book . As a manager who can make the best of what he has is better suited to international football where money is irrelevant. Glen Hoddle or Eddie Howe .... I would choose the latter if they were the options. Hoddle didn't have loads of money at Swindon when he got them to the premier league and he did all right at Chelsea pre - Abramovich. He's way ahead of any other English manager for the job as far as I'm concerned and clearly understands the international game. Should never have been sacked, but he FA bottled it because they're a bunch of old fuddys duddys. They were then and they are now, what they should have done is said they don't care about what's on the back page of the sun here's a 12 year contract build it and make it successful your way. We would have done so much better than we have.
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Post by youmadethatup on Jul 4, 2016 20:19:27 GMT
Hoddle has had his day , listening to a few of the things he says in commentary you realise he is out of touch a little. I would prefer a manager who has actually won things with the players he has available or can scrap together rather than a manager who has always had an open cheque book . As a manager who can make the best of what he has is better suited to international football where money is irrelevant. Glen Hoddle or Eddie Howe .... I would choose the latter if they were the options. Hoddle didn't have loads of money at Swindon when he got them to the premier league and he did all right at Chelsea pre - Abramovich. He's way ahead of any other English manager for the job as far as I'm concerned and clearly understands the international game. Should never have been sacked, but he FA bottled it because they're a bunch of old fuddys duddys. They were then and they are now, what they should have done is said they don't care about what's on the back page of the sun here's a 12 year contract build it and make it successful your way. We would have done so much better than we have. He did very well at Swindon that's true.....that was 23 years ago though (when he left ! ) His last club wolves he drew 34 games out of 76 played and the fans got him ousted.H E left there ten years ago his last club. I always liked Hoddle in his day...but I think his day may be done...maybe work as part of the England set up (?)
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Post by socrates on Jul 4, 2016 21:08:31 GMT
Hoddle didn't have loads of money at Swindon when he got them to the premier league and he did all right at Chelsea pre - Abramovich. He's way ahead of any other English manager for the job as far as I'm concerned and clearly understands the international game. Should never have been sacked, but he FA bottled it because they're a bunch of old fuddys duddys. They were then and they are now, what they should have done is said they don't care about what's on the back page of the sun here's a 12 year contract build it and make it successful your way. We would have done so much better than we have. He did very well at Swindon that's true.....that was 23 years ago though (when he left ! ) His last club wolves he drew 34 games out of 76 played and the fans got him ousted.H E left there ten years ago his last club. I always liked Hoddle in his day...but I think his day may be done...maybe work as part of the England set up (?) I think it would defininity be a positive move to have him involved in some way. Listening to him talk about football he's by far the most knowledgeable pundit when it comes to international football and seems to know what's needed with England. In 98 he got a psychologist involved , it was a new thing that was unheard of and it was one of the things that contributed to him being hounded out of the job by our pathetic tabloid media and useless FA. These days all big clubs and national sides have sports psychologists in their setup. Glen hoddle was revolutionary at the time maybe his time has passed but I'd have him there over the likes of Hodgson or Redknapp or Southgate any day. We'll see but I expect the FA will pick a man who's much like them. A suit who talks a good game over someone who will actually take us forward as a football nation.
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Post by youmadethatup on Jul 4, 2016 21:39:25 GMT
He did very well at Swindon that's true.....that was 23 years ago though (when he left ! ) His last club wolves he drew 34 games out of 76 played and the fans got him ousted.H E left there ten years ago his last club. I always liked Hoddle in his day...but I think his day may be done...maybe work as part of the England set up (?) I think it would defininity be a positive move to have him involved in some way. Listening to him talk about football he's by far the most knowledgeable pundit when it comes to international football and seems to know what's needed with England. In 98 he got a psychologist involved , it was a new thing that was unheard of and it was one of the things that contributed to him being hounded out of the job by our pathetic tabloid media and useless FA. These days all big clubs and national sides have sports psychologists in their setup. Glen hoddle was revolutionary at the time maybe his time has passed but I'd have him there over the likes of Hodgson or Redknapp or Southgate any day. We'll see but I expect the FA will pick a man who's much like them. A suit who talks a good game over someone who will actually take us forward as a football nation. One thing you kind of hit upon when mentioning southgate the under21 team. It's my belief that players under 21 should play at this level and NOT be in the full team. The fa needs to be strong over this as well ,letting players know if they turn their noses up at under21 England football they forfeit ever playing for the full team. England must produce teams that get to semis and finals and win competitions every time. Young players need to get that confidence that England is a winning set up and they know how to win. Robbing the u21 to bail out the full team is short term gain (or not!) To the cost of long term success.
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Post by socrates on Jul 4, 2016 21:57:04 GMT
I think it would defininity be a positive move to have him involved in some way. Listening to him talk about football he's by far the most knowledgeable pundit when it comes to international football and seems to know what's needed with England. In 98 he got a psychologist involved , it was a new thing that was unheard of and it was one of the things that contributed to him being hounded out of the job by our pathetic tabloid media and useless FA. These days all big clubs and national sides have sports psychologists in their setup. Glen hoddle was revolutionary at the time maybe his time has passed but I'd have him there over the likes of Hodgson or Redknapp or Southgate any day. We'll see but I expect the FA will pick a man who's much like them. A suit who talks a good game over someone who will actually take us forward as a football nation. One thing you kind of hit upon when mentioning southgate the under21 team. It's my belief that players under 21 should play at this level and NOT be in the full team. The fa needs to be strong over this as well ,letting players know if they turn their noses up at under21 England football they forfeit ever playing for the full team. England must produce teams that get to semis and finals and win competitions every time. Young players need to get that confidence that England is a winning set up and they know how to win. Robbing the u21 to bail out the full team is short term gain (or not!) To the cost of long term success. Yeah I agree with that and I also think that once our new manager is given the job to take us forward he should pick who the u 21 manager is and should work closley with him rather than against him and arguing over players like has happened in the past. My ideal senario is Glen Hoddle gets 8 -12 year contract and he picks U 21 , u 17 coaches all his backroom staff etc. build it up and as a team throughout. None of this will happen of course because the FA haven't got a Dam clue.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2016 19:50:54 GMT
Nobody watching Bales then?Good first half for them and I can see them winning it.The Welsh bloke commentater likes the sound of his own voice mind,doing my f'in head in.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2016 20:10:30 GMT
Oops maybe not.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2016 20:14:39 GMT
Cheers then Wales.
Coleman still on for being knighted?
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Post by newmarketgas on Jul 6, 2016 20:17:24 GMT
What would you expect, they lost to England, that says a lot, a hell of a lot!
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Post by Staffordshire Gas on Jul 6, 2016 20:17:56 GMT
Need Ellis on now.Or maybe the Forum kettle!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2016 20:23:26 GMT
Needed Locks in defence!
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Post by youmadethatup on Jul 6, 2016 20:59:24 GMT
Needed Ramsey for sure and JA getting an early booking kind of hindered the midfield. A game too far for them unfortunately but they can return home to applause. Portugal are poor ,but maybe like Greece that time a solid but boring team will win ?
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jul 6, 2016 21:11:19 GMT
Needed Ramsey for sure and JA getting an early booking kind of hindered the midfield. A game too far for them unfortunately but they can return home to applause. Portugal are poor ,but maybe like Greece that time a solid but boring team will win ? No, Germany will expose them in the final.
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Post by Bill Bones on Jul 6, 2016 21:23:51 GMT
Needed Ramsey for sure and JA getting an early booking kind of hindered the midfield. A game too far for them unfortunately but they can return home to applause. Portugal are poor ,but maybe like Greece that time a solid but boring team will win ? No, Germany will expose them in the final. France to beat Germany. For those not planning to watch the game, you'll hear about it here if I'm wrong
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jul 6, 2016 21:25:00 GMT
No, Germany will expose them in the final. France to beat Germany. For those not planning to watch the game, you'll hear about it here if I'm wrong Germany have got injuries and France were awesome in their last game. Just think Germany are a better organised outfit with quality to boot.
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