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Post by RD on Aug 13, 2014 15:48:02 GMT
Well, a disappointing result last night, no two ways about it.
That said, I'm not panicking... yet.
We've had a tough start to the season with the two teams we've come up against. I know there are those that will say "we're Rovers, it's the Conference; we shouldn't fear anyone" - and I agree. But we also have to be realistic. We were always likely to fail to go the season unbeaten and I have no doubts that both Grimsby and Barnet will be in the playoffs come the end of the season; indeed one of them may even win the league alltogether. If we had played Chester and Southport and only picked up a point I'd be very concerned; but Grimsby and Barnet are amongst the best teams in this division.
It's clear the squad needs work; our biggest issue is a lack of creativity. Hopefully there is enough money in the budget for DC to address this, but if not, the BoD need to back him.
I hear time and time again when people slate the BoD that they keep the club afloat; and indeed they do. However, my understanding is that they seldom GIVE us money - they usually take out shares/loans meaning that they could get their money back at some point. These guys are multi-millionaires and have just played their part in helping to relegate this club to non-league. We've had Lambert sold, youngsters leaving for other clubs, a plethora of players moved on and yet hardly anyone has come in. Even then, those that have come in surely can't be on that much money.
I'd go as far as to say that we probably have a below average budget for this division - I very much doubt we have a top 6 budget.
I agree a big budget has never guaranteed a success before; but surely our budget right now is ridiculously small? We've got the smallest squad I can remember and with the Lambert sale and youngsters being taken for some fees I just don't get it. Even if the Lambert money isn't paid until next year, why don't the BoD just loan the club the money in the mean time? It's not like they're going to miss it is it?!
They need to either back DC or come clean and say that they've ass f**ked him.
I like DC and I think he'll do the business if we stick by him, but he is a little naive tactically to say the least. Quite why we dropped Parkes last night who was excellent against Grimsby I will never know - baffling decision and up their with McGhee playing Virgo up front IMO. It's one thing switching things up, but a squad does need some time settled otherwise they're bound to struggle. Furthermore, stability in the back four is arguably more important than anywhere; it should only be changed when forced to IMO.
So to sum up:
- The board need to get the cheque book out. Fast. If they don't, we'll finish mid to lower table at best and that is simply not good enough. On top of that, IMO we have three seasons to get out of this division otherwise we'll fold.
- DC needs to stop tinkering every single game. It's one thing making slight tweaks to adapt to the opposition, but it's another thing alltogether completely changing the formation and set up every game.
- Even though as fans we're feeling down, we need a sense of realism; Barnet and Grimsby are, like it or not, top sides in this divison and it was incredibly unlikely we'd go the season unbeaten - let's see how we get on against the actual dross in this division before truly panicking as, let's not forget, we're still only two games in; so there's still plenty of time to further strengthen the squad and, if we do (by bringing in some creative midfielders), there's no reason that we can't fly up the league in no time.
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Aug 13, 2014 16:03:16 GMT
Good post and agree with a lot of it.
IMO we probably do have a top 10 (maybe even top 6) budget OVERALL, but I don't think for one minute that the budget Clarke was given to spend on NEW players this summer was of that level. Mildenhall, Parkes, McChrystal, Brown, Lockyer, Ollie Clarke, and Brunt will likely all be on fairly decent wages for League Two, let alone the Conference.
We do need those two signings DC has been after for weeks and we need them to be of a high standard. We have no natural wingers in the squad (which I find ridiculous) and no matchwinners. We have a hard working, solid, but very ordinary squad right now.
Get those signings right and get DC to stop p*ssing about with the systems/lineups so early, and we'll hopefully grow into the season.
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Post by Centenary Gas on Aug 13, 2014 16:11:45 GMT
The players remaining here from last year are taking up a large chunk of the budget. How much do you think Mildenhalls on?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2014 16:33:05 GMT
I think I'm having a panic attack at the moment.How are we gonna get a quality winger and a midfield creator when the money seems to have run out?Players with the quality that we need won't come here for peanuts and we won't even top up a loan players wages to seal a deal either it seems.We are well and truly stuck between a rock and a hard place.Mr Clarke has been totally hung out to dry and this board of directors,as a whole,need to man up and inform the fans what are they going to do to at least have a chance of a run at the play-offs this season.Money wise this first season is the best chance of regaining league status and if we don't start winning very quickly crowds will drop massively imo.18 more days before the transfer window closes Mr Higgs and co so lets bloody here something from one of you!!!
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Post by GasAttacK on Aug 13, 2014 16:48:00 GMT
Great post by RoverDrive. Can't argue with any of his points.
I think we must also remember Luton, who won the league by 20 points when you factor in goal difference and scored 102 goals. They only won 2 of their first eight fixtures; losing 2 and drawing 4. They also only scored 5 goals in those 8 games.
P8, W2, D4, L2, = 10 points from a possible 24.
Even against decent Conference sides like Grimsby and Barnet, 1 Point from our first 2 games is disappointing and we do need to improve. However we have easier fixtures to come and hopefully 2 or 3 new signings in the not too distant future. If we sign Turley in September and finally get the quality winger and striker we've been searching for our suqad wont look too bad.
If Luton can win the league by effectively 20 points having only won 2 of their first 8 then surely it's too early for us to panic. I'm sure most of us would be delighted to finish 5th.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Aug 13, 2014 16:49:12 GMT
Well, a disappointing result last night, no two ways about it. That said, I'm not panicking... yet. We've had a tough start to the season with the two teams we've come up against. I know there are those that will say "we're Rovers, it's the Conference; we shouldn't fear anyone" - and I agree. But we also have to be realistic. We were always likely to fail to go the season unbeaten and I have no doubts that both Grimsby and Barnet will be in the playoffs come the end of the season; indeed one of them may even win the league alltogether. If we had played Chester and Southport and only picked up a point I'd be very concerned; but Grimsby and Barnet are amongst the best teams in this division. It's clear the squad needs work; our biggest issue is a lack of creativity. Hopefully there is enough money in the budget for DC to address this, but if not, the BoD need to back him. I hear time and time again when people slate the BoD that they keep the club afloat; and indeed they do. However, my understanding is that they seldom GIVE us money - they usually take out shares/loans meaning that they could get their money back at some point. These guys are multi-millionaires and have just played their part in helping to relegate this club to non-league. We've had Lambert sold, youngsters leaving for other clubs, a plethora of players moved on and yet hardly anyone has come in. Even then, those that have come in surely can't be on that much money. I'd go as far as to say that we probably have a below average budget for this division - I very much doubt we have a top 6 budget. I agree a big budget has never guaranteed a success before; but surely our budget right now is ridiculously small? We've got the smallest squad I can remember and with the Lambert sale and youngsters being taken for some fees I just don't get it. Even if the Lambert money isn't paid until next year, why don't the BoD just loan the club the money in the mean time? It's not like they're going to miss it is it?! They need to either back DC or come clean and say that they've ass f**ked him. I like DC and I think he'll do the business if we stick by him, but he is a little naive tactically to say the least. Quite why we dropped Parkes last night who was excellent against Grimsby I will never know - baffling decision and up their with McGhee playing Virgo up front IMO. It's one thing switching things up, but a squad does need some time settled otherwise they're bound to struggle. Furthermore, stability in the back four is arguably more important than anywhere; it should only be changed when forced to IMO. So to sum up: - The board need to get the cheque book out. Fast. If they don't, we'll finish mid to lower table at best and that is simply not good enough. On top of that, IMO we have three seasons to get out of this division otherwise we'll fold. - DC needs to stop tinkering every single game. It's one thing making slight tweaks to adapt to the opposition, but it's another thing alltogether completely changing the formation and set up every game. - Even though as fans we're feeling down, we need a sense of realism; Barnet and Grimsby are, like it or not, top sides in this divison and it was incredibly unlikely we'd go the season unbeaten - let's see how we get on against the actual dross in this division before truly panicking as, let's not forget, we're still only two games in; so there's still plenty of time to further strengthen the squad and, if we do (by bringing in some creative midfielders), there's no reason that we can't fly up the league in no time. UTG What gets me is that by all accounts we were absolute rubbish last night. I cannot remember the last time we played well. It doesn't sound like they outplayed us, it sounds like we didn't turn up and just handed them 3 points. It's become so repetitive I don't go into a single game expecting a result these days.
I'm going to Altrincham so I really hope we have something positive to talk about, I can't remember so much negativity after only 2 games.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2014 16:55:39 GMT
Great post by RoverDrive. Can't argue with any of his points. I think we must also remember Luton, who won the league by 20 points when you factor in goal difference and scored 102 goals. They only won 2 of their first eight fixtures; losing 2 and drawing 4. They also only scored 5 goals in those 8 games. P8, W2, D4, L2, = 10 points from a possible 24. Even against decent Conference sides like Grimsby and Barnet, 1 Point from our first 2 games is disappointing and we do need to improve. However we have easier fixtures to come and hopefully 2 or 3 new signings in the not too distant future. If we sign Turley in September and finally get the quality winger and striker we've been searching for our suqad wont look too bad. If Luton can win the league by effectively 20 points having only won 2 of their first 8 then surely it's too early for us to panic. I'm sure most of us would be delighted to finish 5th. But Luton had good attacking players. We have nothing in midfield and no depth to the team. We also have a fan base about to implode and a board who are nowehere to be seen. We needs hands on directors, help finding players and something for the fans to get behind other then anticipated public disorder if we carry on playing hoofball.
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Post by philbemmygas on Aug 13, 2014 17:03:03 GMT
A few voices on the internet does not add up to a fanbase about to implode, people need to get a sense of perspective.
Just my ten penny worth
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Aug 13, 2014 17:06:09 GMT
A few voices on the internet does not add up to a fanbase about to implode, people need to get a sense of perspective. Just my ten penny worth To be fair we create a lot of the doom and gloom ourselves. Many season ticket holders I know who don't use the forums are far more upbeat as they only get their info through the official channels. My missus cam home last night and knew instantly we were losing as I was so miserable. I reckon we could end up with a mass suicide if a game last 3 hours or so.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2014 17:06:35 GMT
A few voices on the internet does not add up to a fanbase about to implode, people need to get a sense of perspective. Just my ten penny worth Phill, if we dont win on Saturday and the next home games does not go to plan there will be a lot of dissent. Not because people lack perspective but because we have just been relegated 2 division despite a huge outlay on wages and have not even bothered to fund a proper squad for the conference. The anger is not about 1 point from 6 or being unfair on DC its about the club taking the water. We promised a review into why we were so sh** year after year, didn't release it and then did the same thing again.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2014 17:51:19 GMT
A few voices on the internet does not add up to a fanbase about to implode, people need to get a sense of perspective. Just my ten penny worth Phill, if we dont win on Saturday and the next home games does not go to plan there will be a lot of dissent. Not because people lack perspective but because we have just been relegated 2 division despite a huge outlay on wages and have not even bothered to fund a proper squad for the conference. The anger is not about 1 point from 6 or being unfair on DC its about the club taking the water. We promised a review into why we were so sh*t year after year, didn't release it and then did the same thing again. I think your right dins.patience has been stretched to the very limit and if we don't beat what some people are calling the little teams in the next 2 games there will be a backlash from the fans.of course in the normal world it's far too early to judge this team but we've all seen it before and we could well be nearer to a fan base meltdown than people think.We need wins and we need them fast.
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Post by philbemmygas on Aug 13, 2014 18:00:51 GMT
Shouting some abuse from the terracing is what always happens when some individuals are unhappy, if people are considering illegal acts then they need to think long & hard about themselves
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2014 18:01:13 GMT
Thats what some dont see !! Its not about Barnet and Grimsby its about a generation of failure, broken promises and naff all effort. To not even fund a squad for the fizzy chewits league !!!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2014 18:03:15 GMT
Shouting some abuse from the terracing is what always happens when some individuals are unhappy, if people are considering illegal acts then they need to think long & hard about themselves Random comment whose mentioned illegal acts? , are you happy with the set up for the season ? I thinks its pure madness.
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Post by philbemmygas on Aug 13, 2014 18:03:41 GMT
You have already stated he should have got more players for the budget he had, so where are they not funding a squad?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2014 18:06:14 GMT
Its both isnt it, teams with tiny budget still sign a squad of players. DC paid good money for Mansell and Monkhouse when he could have signed 4 less experienced players. It is clear the budget is not good enough however and if things are that bad they should ask for help ir accept new investment.
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Post by dmacca65 on Aug 13, 2014 18:07:55 GMT
Phill, if we dont win on Saturday and the next home games does not go to plan there will be a lot of dissent. Not because people lack perspective but because we have just been relegated 2 division despite a huge outlay on wages and have not even bothered to fund a proper squad for the conference. The anger is not about 1 point from 6 or being unfair on DC its about the club taking the water. We promised a review into why we were so sh*t year after year, didn't release it and then did the same thing again. I think your right dins.patience has been stretched to the very limit and if we don't beat what some people are calling the little teams in the next 2 games there will be a backlash from the fans.of course in the normal world it's far too early to judge this team but we've all seen it before and we could well be nearer to a fan base meltdown than people think.We need wins and we need them fast. Agree with this you could almost sence it in the crowd last night, I think a pidgeon landing in our penalty area would have resulted in a near riot!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2014 18:50:41 GMT
Well, a disappointing result last night, no two ways about it. That said, I'm not panicking... yet. We've had a tough start to the season with the two teams we've come up against. I know there are those that will say "we're Rovers, it's the Conference; we shouldn't fear anyone" - and I agree. But we also have to be realistic. We were always likely to fail to go the season unbeaten and I have no doubts that both Grimsby and Barnet will be in the playoffs come the end of the season; indeed one of them may even win the league alltogether. If we had played Chester and Southport and only picked up a point I'd be very concerned; but Grimsby and Barnet are amongst the best teams in this division. It's clear the squad needs work; our biggest issue is a lack of creativity. Hopefully there is enough money in the budget for DC to address this, but if not, the BoD need to back him. I hear time and time again when people slate the BoD that they keep the club afloat; and indeed they do. However, my understanding is that they seldom GIVE us money - they usually take out shares/loans meaning that they could get their money back at some point. These guys are multi-millionaires and have just played their part in helping to relegate this club to non-league. We've had Lambert sold, youngsters leaving for other clubs, a plethora of players moved on and yet hardly anyone has come in. Even then, those that have come in surely can't be on that much money. I'd go as far as to say that we probably have a below average budget for this division - I very much doubt we have a top 6 budget. I agree a big budget has never guaranteed a success before; but surely our budget right now is ridiculously small? We've got the smallest squad I can remember and with the Lambert sale and youngsters being taken for some fees I just don't get it. Even if the Lambert money isn't paid until next year, why don't the BoD just loan the club the money in the mean time? It's not like they're going to miss it is it?! They need to either back DC or come clean and say that they've ass f**ked him. I like DC and I think he'll do the business if we stick by him, but he is a little naive tactically to say the least. Quite why we dropped Parkes last night who was excellent against Grimsby I will never know - baffling decision and up their with McGhee playing Virgo up front IMO. It's one thing switching things up, but a squad does need some time settled otherwise they're bound to struggle. Furthermore, stability in the back four is arguably more important than anywhere; it should only be changed when forced to IMO. So to sum up: - The board need to get the cheque book out. Fast. If they don't, we'll finish mid to lower table at best and that is simply not good enough. On top of that, IMO we have three seasons to get out of this division otherwise we'll fold. - DC needs to stop tinkering every single game. It's one thing making slight tweaks to adapt to the opposition, but it's another thing alltogether completely changing the formation and set up every game. - Even though as fans we're feeling down, we need a sense of realism; Barnet and Grimsby are, like it or not, top sides in this divison and it was incredibly unlikely we'd go the season unbeaten - let's see how we get on against the actual dross in this division before truly panicking as, let's not forget, we're still only two games in; so there's still plenty of time to further strengthen the squad and, if we do (by bringing in some creative midfielders), there's no reason that we can't fly up the league in no time. UTG What gets me is that by all accounts we were absolute rubbish last night. I cannot remember the last time we played well. It doesn't sound like they outplayed us, it sounds like we didn't turn up and just handed them 3 points. It's become so repetitive I don't go into a single game expecting a result these days.
I'm going to Altrincham so I really hope we have something positive to talk about, I can't remember so much negativity after only 2 games.
We were not absolutely rubbish last night. We had a bad first half but could have scored one. We had a much better second half. We do need some pace and creativity. Let's hope we find a couple of players who can kick start our season.
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Post by phillistine on Aug 13, 2014 19:47:32 GMT
From the Barnet Forum : "Great game. The passing between the midfield and forwards was superb, as good as anything we managed last season despite Davids' coaching. Rovers looked decent to me and I don't think we'll see that many teams better at home this season, we did well to hold them off in the second half."
It seems that they dont agree that Rovers were "absolute Rubbish".
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Post by Congas on Aug 14, 2014 8:38:37 GMT
They need to up the pace, seems like they're falling for the old 'too good to be in this league, it'll sort itself' bollocks. Three players trotted alongside Akinde and not one of them got a tackle in. He just walked through and scored at will like there was no goalie there. Where's the urgency?
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