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Post by rocknrollaayatollah on Aug 18, 2016 14:49:06 GMT
So he was beaten on the by linewhere were the rest of the defence I never blamed the goal on him just he seemed off his game after that. Just my opinion.
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Post by axegas on Aug 18, 2016 14:54:25 GMT
Ollie Clarke was hugely at fault for that goal, you can't give the ball away at that area of the pitch especially against a team like Bolton, if he was more experienced he wouldn't have taken the man who he lost possession to down so that we wouldn't have been countered on.
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Post by fanboy on Aug 18, 2016 15:26:20 GMT
Ollie Clarke was hugely at fault for that goal, you can't give the ball away at that area of the pitch especially against a team like Bolton, if he was more experienced he wouldn't have taken the man who he lost possession to down so that we wouldn't have been countered on. More importantly he lost the ball when the entire team was up the pitch. Very silly error and no doubt in my mind he was at fault.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 18, 2016 15:32:05 GMT
Ollie Clarke was hugely at fault for that goal, you can't give the ball away at that area of the pitch especially against a team like Bolton, if he was more experienced he wouldn't have taken the man who he lost possession to down so that we wouldn't have been countered on. More importantly he lost the ball when the entire team was up the pitch. Very silly error and no doubt in my mind he was at fault. Have you 2 gone mad?? He lost a challenge out wide nearly 100yrds from his own goal because he was filling a gap left by another player who was out of position.
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Post by fanboy on Aug 18, 2016 15:33:19 GMT
More importantly he lost the ball when the entire team was up the pitch. Very silly error and no doubt in my mind he was at fault. Have you 2 gone mad?? He lost a challenge out wide nearly 100yrds from his own goal because he was filling a gap left by another player who was out of position. Wasn't it from a corner? Therefore was that not his place to be there and to not lose the ball when the rest of his team were expecting a delivery into the box?
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 18, 2016 15:33:35 GMT
OC won the ball then the Bolton player pushed him over, watch the TV highlights if it shows the build up as it happened right in front of me, whilst OC was a bit weak there's not much you can do if somebody half a foot taller decided to push you over. Leads had the option to take him out but let Bolton player him run past him.
Back to the OP I thought Lines was poor last night and can't recall many decent passes, whereas Sincs seemed to grow into the game but we need either Manse fit or a decent replacement brought in soon.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 18, 2016 15:36:25 GMT
Have you 2 gone mad?? He lost a challenge out wide nearly 100yrds from his own goal because he was filling a gap left by another player who was out of position. Wasn't it from a corner? Therefore was that not his place to be there and to not lose the ball when the rest of his team were expecting a delivery into the box? I don't recall OCs position being out there from corners,he's normally central around the edge of the box but happy to be corrected.
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Post by fanboy on Aug 18, 2016 15:39:54 GMT
Wasn't it from a corner? Therefore was that not his place to be there and to not lose the ball when the rest of his team were expecting a delivery into the box? I don't recall OCs position being out there from corners,he's normally central around the edge of the box but happy to be corrected. That's the point, if the ball does end up out wide it's easiest for him to drop back and collect. Which he tried to do, f*cked up (fell over rather embarrassingly) and they immediately broke. No chance of anyone else getting back and whilst Sinclair tried he got made to look a fool.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 15:42:06 GMT
Sadly Lines has the propensity to go missing in games and I will get bashed here for being negative to 'one of our own'...though he has started quite well, it's only a matter of time.
Thought he was average last night. Happy to pick up the ball in our own third and spray hollywood passes all over the place, and too predictable in the final third. Also he will get hurt this season if he continues to bottle 50-50s like he has been
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Post by I Voted For Kodos on Aug 18, 2016 15:48:04 GMT
Although there is no doubt Ollie Clarke lost the ball in the first place, there was still the chance for someone else to make a tackle to prevent a goal. In my mind, Leadbitter definitely had a chance to get a foot in but didn't want to risk a foul.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Aug 18, 2016 15:48:45 GMT
Only 4 games in but one of the player of the seasons for me so far. We never saw any of Lines driving runs last night and I do wonder if it's when he plays with certain players. I've questioned Ollie Clarke but I think the lad after Scunny away proved his worth but more importantly let Lines do his stuff against Oxford. I also felt DC took off the wrong man last night in keeping Sincs on. Stuart has a role for us this season, it's a squad game and I put him above Lawrence. But for both promotion run ins we saw Lines step up and drive us on and in both seasons Sincs was out injured. I watched the second half closely yesterday and Sincs got a lot of the ball but rarely made a forward pass. While he had the ball Lines never had it dictating our play. I'm not saying Lines is Gerrard but he our version in our team, when I see Lines and Sincs together it reminds me of the days of Gerrrard and Lamps together for England, together it doesn't work. The beauty of Sincs is he can impact a game off the bench, fill in pockets on in midfield or even out wide but right now I think Lines needs Ollie Clarke or Mansell next to him. I agree. I do, however think it is stating the obvious. Lines looks miles better than our other cms. We definitely need to stregthen in CM.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Aug 18, 2016 15:50:22 GMT
Sadly Lines has the propensity to go missing in games and I will get bashed here for being negative to 'one of our own'...though he has started quite well, it's only a matter of time. Thought he was average last night. Happy to pick up the ball in our own third and spray hollywood passes all over the place, and too predictable in the final third. Also he will get hurt this season if he continues to bottle 50-50s like he has been Nothing to do with being one of our own. Clarke is one of our own and Lines is miles better than him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 16:14:11 GMT
So he was beaten on the by linewhere were the rest of the defence Up for the corner?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 23:01:41 GMT
i actually believe that lines and mansell have been our top pairing in cental midfield in both promotions,there skills set nicely complement each other. sadly mansell has run into a few injuries and hes not getting any younger but i still hope he gets a shot at things this season
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2016 9:41:48 GMT
I thought Trotter was a very good player as well. Trotter was awful. A total donkey of a player who was consistently outplayed by our midfield. Just because he was big and physical, does not make him any good. You must've missed a lot of his passes that were splitting our defence in two with the inside and outside of his left and right feet.
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Post by lpgas on Aug 19, 2016 11:14:33 GMT
I think virtually the whole of Boltons' team was better than ours, especially their defence. Lines is our best midfielder. Sinclair runs around a lot, puts a lot of effort in, which seems to be the 2 things Rovers supporters judge a player on. Truth is though, when he runs around a lot he leaves holes. He needs to be more disciplined in that. Secondly when he tackles he goes to ground too often and the opposition just skips over him. I think we should this season be looking to refresh most of the squad. Our 2 goalies need replacing. Mansell needs replacing, and we need to dispose ourselves of Lawrence who is injury prone, and slow, and what happened to the bloke we signed from Port Vale? Good news Gosling has gone, bad news is he will be back.
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Post by gasincider on Aug 19, 2016 12:10:03 GMT
Sorry, but I just don't get this Lines love in. He is at best an average player and was certainly poor against Bolton. God forbid we blame it on Sincs for what happened. I lost count of how many million pound passes went astray the other night.
The funniest thing is the goal against Cardiff. It looked great, but the truth is Lines has a powder puff shot, and if you don't believe me look at last season compendium DVD, and see the pathetic efforts he did try. The last time he hit a meaningful shot was the playoff victory against FG.
We need a playmaker in midfield, and hope this is a priority. I wonder if he tries practicing shooting in training, coz he certainly needs to.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 19, 2016 12:14:17 GMT
Sorry, but I just don't get this Lines love in. He is at best an average player and was certainly poor against Bolton. God forbid we blame it on Sincs for what happened. I lost count of how many million pound passes went astray the other night. The funniest thing is the goal against Cardiff. It looked great, but the truth is Lines has a powder puff shot, and if you don't believe me look at last season compendium DVD, and see the pathetic efforts he did try. The last time he hit a meaningful shot was the playoff victory against FG. We need a playmaker in midfield, and hope this is a priority. I wonder if he tries practicing shooting in training, coz he certainly needs to. Not a fan then? My opinion lies somewhere between yours and the OP but if forced to pick a side I wouldn't be building a team around any of our current midfielders!
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Post by baggins on Aug 19, 2016 12:23:31 GMT
Sorry, but I just don't get this Lines love in. He is at best an average player and was certainly poor against Bolton. God forbid we blame it on Sincs for what happened. I lost count of how many million pound passes went astray the other night. The funniest thing is the goal against Cardiff. It looked great, but the truth is Lines has a powder puff shot, and if you don't believe me look at last season compendium DVD, and see the pathetic efforts he did try. The last time he hit a meaningful shot was the playoff victory against FG. We need a playmaker in midfield, and hope this is a priority. I wonder if he tries practicing shooting in training, coz he certainly needs to. Lines's goal against Cardiff looked anything but powder puff to me and Sinclair's contribution to anything going forward on Sunday was non existant. As for shooting practice, maybe you need to have a word with the umpteen other players who shot, didn't hit the target when a pass would have put a player through.
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Post by Bill Bones on Aug 19, 2016 12:24:16 GMT
Sorry, but I just don't get this Lines love in. He is at best an average player and was certainly poor against Bolton. God forbid we blame it on Sincs for what happened. I lost count of how many million pound passes went astray the other night. The funniest thing is the goal against Cardiff. It looked great, but the truth is Lines has a powder puff shot, and if you don't believe me look at last season compendium DVD, and see the pathetic efforts he did try. The last time he hit a meaningful shot was the playoff victory against FG. We need a playmaker in midfield, and hope this is a priority. I wonder if he tries practicing shooting in training, coz he certainly needs to. Not a fan then? My opinion lies somewhere between yours and the OP but if forced to pick a side I wouldn't be building a team around any of our current midfielders! Agree, but midfielders you can really build a side around are unbelievably valuable and also quite rare. Arguably the hardest position to find real quality for. Certainly we don't get many at Rovers and I'd be interested to see if other clubs reckon they consistently produce them. A striker has to score goals, a centre half has to tackle and win things in the air, a winger has to be quick and cross the ball - I am aware that all of that is perhaps overly simplistic, but unarguably the best centre midfielders need to cultivate practically every attribute there is in football. I know you made the point the other day Hugo, but that's why I was such a huge fan of O'Toole despite the fact that he was a bit of a knob - tall, strong, aggressive, not slow, decent in the air, could tackle, passing was certainly adequate, and most importantly could stick the ball in the net... can't really praise him highly enough personally. What I wouldn't give for one like that this season.
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