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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 27, 2016 17:53:48 GMT
For me we need to improve on our present squad, whilst Hartley seems an improvement, James & Moore appear at best the same level.
The question is can we improve without paying a transfer fee on just free transfers and loan players? If not, is Wael prepared to back his manager with funds or not?
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Aug 28, 2016 6:53:06 GMT
For me we need to improve on our present squad, whilst Hartley seems an improvement, James & Moore appear at best the same level. The question is can we improve without paying a transfer fee on just free transfers and loan players? If not, is Wael prepared to back his manager with funds or not? It's beyond me how anyone can judge Moore yet after 0 competitive minutes. James obviously needs more time, too, and famously some had written off Hartley as no better than what we had after two games
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 28, 2016 7:47:13 GMT
For me we need to improve on our present squad, whilst Hartley seems an improvement, James & Moore appear at best the same level. The question is can we improve without paying a transfer fee on just free transfers and loan players? If not, is Wael prepared to back his manager with funds or not? It's beyond me how anyone can judge Moore yet after 0 competitive minutes. James obviously needs more time, too, and famously some had written off Hartley as no better than what we had after two games Moore's hardly a youngster whose going to suddenly improve because he's joined Rovers, at his best he's only ever going to be around Monty's level. As far as James given how little game time DC's given him I sense at the moment he's of a similar view. We need players like LDV & Dawson who can come straight in and improve the team. This week's signings suggest DC's perhaps now come to the same conclusion.
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Post by paulpirate on Aug 28, 2016 8:39:50 GMT
2 quality midfielders needed before end of window or we could struggle over the line come May
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Post by oddsongas on Aug 28, 2016 9:35:23 GMT
It's beyond me how anyone can judge Moore yet after 0 competitive minutes. James obviously needs more time, too, and famously some had written off Hartley as no better than what we had after two games Moore's hardly a youngster whose going to suddenly improve because he's joined Rovers, at his best he's only ever going to be around Monty's level. As far as James given how little game time DC's given him I sense at the moment he's of a similar view. We need players like LDV & Dawson who can come straight in and improve the team. This week's signings suggest DC's perhaps now come to the same conclusion. The same LDV and Dawson that don't even play in league 1? I would say Moore is definitely better
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Aug 28, 2016 9:55:56 GMT
Moore's hardly a youngster whose going to suddenly improve because he's joined Rovers, at his best he's only ever going to be around Monty's level. As far as James given how little game time DC's given him I sense at the moment he's of a similar view. We need players like LDV & Dawson who can come straight in and improve the team. This week's signings suggest DC's perhaps now come to the same conclusion. The same LDV and Dawson that don't even play in league 1? I would say Moore is definitely better I don't think he's saying Dawson and LDV would improve our squad now (at least I hope not!!) but more about their impact at the time lifting the skill level and attacking options of that conference side from what it had. Last night Match of the Day did an excellent two minute appraisal of what Kante brought to the Chelsea team. Not only with his own ball winning, breaking up play, simple but effective distribution style but also that his presence enabled Hazard to concentrate on what he's good at rather than do the drudge work. Mind you it helps when you have an engine like Kante's that means he covers every blade of grass from the first minute to the last with the same high degree of performance!! Lines looks excellent this season but could still do with being released forward more often by having a L1 version of Kante in the midfield with him, there were signs on Tuesday that Sincs could do that but...it is obvious he raised his game at the bridge and doesn't have the consistency necessary to produce that all the time. Manse is the better option given the current squad and he's injured and also unlikely to manage ninety minutes of it on wintry pitches. So someone coming in to make that sort of impact is what we really could do with.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2016 10:16:17 GMT
its too early to judge any of the new players thats obvious to anyone surely. what people really mean when they are critical of our new boys is they were hoping for bigger names. quite a few fans hoped we would be signing the type of players city are signing ie championship players but dc clearly dosnt have the budget for that and even if he did they would prefer to play in the championship.
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Post by singupgas on Aug 28, 2016 10:40:54 GMT
its too early to judge any of the new players thats obvious to anyone surely. what people really mean when they are critical of our new boys is they were hoping for bigger names. quite a few fans hoped we would be signing the type of players city are signing ie championship players but dc clearly dosnt have the budget for that and even if he did they would prefer to play in the championship. got to question why DC doesn't have a decent budget now? Not mocking anyone's hard work over last 6 months we're clearly better off and being more professionally ran...but evolution and revolution won't sound so great if we are struggling mid season.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Aug 28, 2016 10:59:33 GMT
It's beyond me how anyone can judge Moore yet after 0 competitive minutes. James obviously needs more time, too, and famously some had written off Hartley as no better than what we had after two games Moore's hardly a youngster whose going to suddenly improve because he's joined Rovers, at his best he's only ever going to be around Monty's level. As far as James given how little game time DC's given him I sense at the moment he's of a similar view. We need players like LDV & Dawson who can come straight in and improve the team. This week's signings suggest DC's perhaps now come to the same conclusion. Your reasoning is bizarre. You write off Moore as you think you know enough about him from his pre Rovers days, yet praise the signings of LDV and Dawson, who had done nothing of real note before joining us and have done little since leaving us, either. It suggests to me that DC actually got the best out of these players whilst they were here. James actually has more pedigree than those two had and is a similar age. Why can't he get the best out of him? Moore is surely more proven at this level than Montaño, much as I like him?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2016 11:41:04 GMT
Moore's hardly a youngster whose going to suddenly improve because he's joined Rovers, at his best he's only ever going to be around Monty's level. As far as James given how little game time DC's given him I sense at the moment he's of a similar view. We need players like LDV & Dawson who can come straight in and improve the team. This week's signings suggest DC's perhaps now come to the same conclusion. Your reasoning is bizarre. You write off Moore as you think you know enough about him from his pre Rovers days, yet praise the signings of LDV and Dawson, who had done nothing of real note before joining us and have done little since leaving us, either. It suggests to me that DC actually got the best out of these players whilst they were here. James actually has more pedigree than those two had and is a similar age. Why can't he get the best out of him? Moore is surely more proven at this level than Montaño, much as I like him? Dawson was already highly rated at Conference level to be fair, did well at Nuneaton. If Moore gets fit I can see him doing okay for us.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 28, 2016 11:44:49 GMT
LDV & Dawson both dropped down several levels to the Conference and then excelled from virtually day one, Moore's stayed at a similar level and James couldn't even hold down a 1st team place at this level, both will be useful squad players but have shown nothing so far to suggest they are going to be 1st team starters at this level, which LDV & Dawson were in the Conference.
I can't see why fans seem afraid at the suggestion DC signs player who can start in the 1st team rather than just be bench warmers, he did that with the goalie so why not with outfield players?
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Post by islandgas on Aug 28, 2016 13:01:08 GMT
LDV & Dawson both dropped down several levels to the Conference and then excelled from virtually day one, Moore's stayed at a similar level and James couldn't even hold down a 1st team place at this level, both will be useful squad players but have shown nothing so far to suggest they are going to be 1st team starters at this level, which LDV & Dawson were in the Conference. I can't see why fans seem afraid at the suggestion DC signs player who can start in the 1st team rather than just be bench warmers, he did that with the goalie so why not with outfield players? Because we want a better starting 11 and most people hope that the team will improve rather than stagnate.
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Post by islandgas on Aug 28, 2016 13:08:56 GMT
LDV & Dawson both dropped down several levels to the Conference and then excelled from virtually day one, Moore's stayed at a similar level and James couldn't even hold down a 1st team place at this level, both will be useful squad players but have shown nothing so far to suggest they are going to be 1st team starters at this level, which LDV & Dawson were in the Conference. I can't see why fans seem afraid at the suggestion DC signs player who can start in the 1st team rather than just be bench warmers, he did that with the goalie so why not with outfield players? Because we want a better starting 11 and most people hope that the team will improve rather than stagnate. Please ignore my last post which i misread!
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Post by jaunkerr on Aug 28, 2016 13:46:37 GMT
So, with the addition of Roos and Roberts, 3 of our 5 signings thus far are loan signings. Disappointing for me but probably a financial reason. I thought DC said once that he didn't really like long-term loan signings - might be wrong about this. I'm much more in favour of permanent signings as we are obviously developing our own players. Roos seems determined to make it at Derby after his loan although his contract might be up at the end of the season ?? In my view, younger players on loan might be the better options as you would expect them to be really hungry to get in the side and play as many games as possible rather than more-seasoned pros. Get the feeling we are gonna get 2 more in on loan too, What's everyone's views ? How many can you put on the pitch in any one game ? I bet DC has had to move this way due to the changes in the loan system though. I do know where you're coming from as loans are not good long term if they don't intend to fight to stay but in saying that I would love one like Abrahams who has won 9 points at least for the 82. He is not going to stay with then though. We have a stadium, training facility and much more to pay for. I will stick with it right now. We nearly all wanted Gaffney but he's not confident right now though I do believe he will come good.
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Post by daniel300380 on Aug 28, 2016 14:31:23 GMT
It's beyond me how anyone can judge Moore yet after 0 competitive minutes. James obviously needs more time, too, and famously some had written off Hartley as no better than what we had after two games Moore's hardly a youngster whose going to suddenly improve because he's joined Rovers, at his best he's only ever going to be around Monty's level. As far as James given how little game time DC's given him I sense at the moment he's of a similar view. We need players like LDV & Dawson who can come straight in and improve the team. This week's signings suggest DC's perhaps now come to the same conclusion. Is Moore older than Taylor and Lambert when they signed??? He can still improve. Wasn't he doing well at this level before off the pitch stuff, set him back. Pointless writing players off, before they have even had a chance.
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Post by chippenhamgas on Aug 28, 2016 15:42:36 GMT
Hopefully yesterday's shocking first half performance will concentrate a few minds. Completely overrun in midfield against a swindon side who will themselves struggle to be halfway up come may. We need proper quality, permanent signings preferably in midfield. That's not revolution, it's essential for survival.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 28, 2016 15:48:56 GMT
Moore's hardly a youngster whose going to suddenly improve because he's joined Rovers, at his best he's only ever going to be around Monty's level. As far as James given how little game time DC's given him I sense at the moment he's of a similar view. We need players like LDV & Dawson who can come straight in and improve the team. This week's signings suggest DC's perhaps now come to the same conclusion. Is Moore older than Taylor and Lambert when they signed??? He can still improve. Wasn't he doing well at this level before off the pitch stuff, set him back. Pointless writing players off, before they have even had a chance. I'm not writing Moore off as he looked OK in pre-season, just feel we need to sign even better players if we are going to challenge at the top than rather just settle for mid-table and spend all season worrying about getting dragged into a relegation battle, which now involves the bottom 4 places not just the bottom 2 as was the case in Div 2.
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Post by paulpirate on Aug 28, 2016 18:16:55 GMT
I don't see what the problem is IF we got money why can't we get a few decent players in,bigger crowds and we won't struggle if we do end up struggling? And normally you have to pay for decent players and if they do well they could be sold for millions Don't like talking about the red wankers but look at old kodger bought for 2m and reports of him going for 12m now Sometimes you got to speculate to accumilate and most of all keep the fans coming back every week
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Post by dinsdale on Aug 28, 2016 19:15:29 GMT
I think young kids from Premiership/Championship like Roos and Roberts are OK for a loan, as they are hungry, however, I wouldn't loan someone like Simon Cox for instance. I think what is clear, Wael doesn't have the wealth we may have hoped for, and won't be spending money on transfer fees. That may change if we struggled this season, however. Not very clear at all............ He has cleared the debt bought the club and said from day ONE that the club will evolve... that means it has to stand on its own 2 feet and not be subsidised He also never said he has cleared the debt, the wonga loan yes, the other £6/7m we will have to wait for the financial figures for last season. Our season ticket sales, gates last season and wage budget which is hugely reduced from the previous regimes all would support aquiring a few decent league 1 players. Look forward to a chance to find out why we are not investing in the squad.
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Post by aghast on Aug 28, 2016 20:43:01 GMT
I have no idea about the financial situation at the club at the moment, but I think it is unlikely that DC agreed to stay here rather than go to Leeds if Wael said to him "We're going to give you a massive pay rise if you stay, but nothing in the transfer budget".
Which suggests to me that DC does have funds available, but has chosen not to spend them, perhaps because agents have latched onto the myth that we are the Man City of League 1, and are asking silly fees for modest players.
Just a thought.
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