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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2016 12:47:35 GMT
I remember a time when we moaned about every dropped point and criticised every managerial decision which meant we didn't win.
We were in league 1. Achieving mid table finishes and dreaming of more before we were ready.
We then sat and watched as 5 managers in as many months sent us down until we ended up non league dreaming of the days when we were in league 1.
We now have a situation where we moaned about dropped points and question the manager.....
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Sept 11, 2016 13:00:25 GMT
Agree with most of that Stevek192. However James Clarke had a poor game in my view and is not reaching the standard we need. As for DC - you are right he normally sees the problem and changes it - but yesterday he should have changed things at half time but didn't. shoud have gone to a back four but didn't - has he lost his touch?No. DC tinkers at the start of seasons until he finds the right formula, and now also has a bigger squad to work with than he ever has. It's going to take time to settle down - patience needed. After two seasons of absolutely amazing work from DC, shouldn't we allow him the odd off day before asking whether he's "lost his touch"? |
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Post by stevek192 on Sept 11, 2016 13:33:18 GMT
Sorry but did not say he had lost his touch but rather that he;like a lot of the players; is inexperienced at this level and will take time to learn however I think there is a danger that he will get too far into the 3-5-2 and experienced Managers will suss this out and we will find ourselves constantly chasing games. We have the players that can make a lot of the teams in this division worry about how we play rather than vice versa. I think continual "tinkering " will also come unstuck in this division because the majority of Managers will have their teams pretty well the same every week and used to the style they play.
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Post by socrates on Sept 11, 2016 13:36:31 GMT
Sorry but did not say he had lost his touch but rather that he;like a lot of the players; is inexperienced at this level and will take time to learn however I think there is a danger that he will get too far into the 3-5-2 and experienced Managers will suss this out and we will find ourselves constantly chasing games. We have the players that can make a lot of the teams in this division worry about how we play rather than vice versa. I think continual "tinkering " will also come unstuck in this division because the majority of Managers will have their teams pretty well the same every week and used to the style they play. I think the danger your worried about is already a reality. I haven't seen a game this season where the opposition seems unable to deal with us playing 3-5-2, in fact it seems to play right in to their hands and give them the 2 wide thirds of the pitch to run riot and really cause us problems. |
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Post by garystash on Sept 11, 2016 14:04:24 GMT
Sorry but did not say he had lost his touch but rather that he;like a lot of the players; is inexperienced at this level and will take time to learn however I think there is a danger that he will get too far into the 3-5-2 and experienced Managers will suss this out and we will find ourselves constantly chasing games. We have the players that can make a lot of the teams in this division worry about how we play rather than vice versa. I think continual "tinkering " will also come unstuck in this division because the majority of Managers will have their teams pretty well the same every week and used to bthe style they play. I think last season we got away with playing 3-5-2 for 60mins. This season against better players, we are being exploited. 3-5-2 looks like it has massive holes that the opposition are opening up easily. |
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Post by socrates on Sept 11, 2016 14:38:39 GMT
Sorry but did not say he had lost his touch but rather that he;like a lot of the players; is inexperienced at this level and will take time to learn however I think there is a danger that he will get too far into the 3-5-2 and experienced Managers will suss this out and we will find ourselves constantly chasing games. We have the players that can make a lot of the teams in this division worry about how we play rather than vice versa. I think continual "tinkering " will also come unstuck in this division because the majority of Managers will have their teams pretty well the same every week and used to bthe style they play. I think last season we got away with playing 3-5-2 for 60mins. This season against better players, we are being exploited. 3-5-2 looks like it has massive holes that the opposition are opening up easily. Yeah we looked solid enough through the middle third of the pitch yesterday but the 2 wide thirds were basically there for Rochdale to exploit us at will. When we're on form playing wingers with overlapping fullbacks we control the wide areas and pick up decent amount of points. The majority of our goals these last two years have come from wide play build up involving our wingers and fullbacks then passes cutting in to the middle to score. We only did that a handful of times yesterday and to be fair both of our goals came from crosses , we need to do it more though and with 3-5-2 it just doesn't happen more. I thought Rochdale were a poor side, worse than Oxford and I've got no doubt it was a missed opportunity for 3 points. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 11, 2016 15:47:51 GMT
I remember a time when we moaned about every dropped point and criticised every managerial decision which meant we didn't win. We were in league 1. Achieving mid table finishes and dreaming of more before we were ready. We then sat and watched as 5 managers in as many months sent us down until we ended up non league dreaming of the days when we were in league 1. We now have a situation where we moaned about dropped points and question the manager..... I don't think we usually moan too much but the space behind Brown was obvious for us all to see yesterday, god knows what LB was doing, was he playing to DC's instructions or just trying to make a point he's not a WB? Then to make matters worse we didn't have RWB at all. What we supposed all pretend we're happy after yesterday's shocker defensively, when we could have conceded 4 or 5 if Rochdale had taken their chances. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2016 16:26:18 GMT
I remember a time when we moaned about every dropped point and criticised every managerial decision which meant we didn't win. We were in league 1. Achieving mid table finishes and dreaming of more before we were ready. We then sat and watched as 5 managers in as many months sent us down until we ended up non league dreaming of the days when we were in league 1. We now have a situation where we moaned about dropped points and question the manager..... I don't think we usually moan too much but the space behind Brown was obvious for us all to see yesterday, god knows what LB was doing, was he playing to DC's instructions or just trying to make a point he's not a WB? Then to make matters worse we didn't have RWB at all. What we supposed all pretend we're happy after yesterday's shocker defensively, when we could have conceded 4 or 5 if Rochdale had taken their chances. Don't look up. |
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Post by aghast on Sept 11, 2016 20:54:31 GMT
I remember a time when we moaned about every dropped point and criticised every managerial decision which meant we didn't win. We were in league 1. Achieving mid table finishes and dreaming of more before we were ready. We then sat and watched as 5 managers in as many months sent us down until we ended up non league dreaming of the days when we were in league 1. We now have a situation where we moaned about dropped points and question the manager..... I seem to recall the biggest vote in the last "where will we finish in League 1" poll was for a solid mid table position. If we win one and lose one of our next two games in hand, that's exactly where we'll be at this early stage of the season. After the euphoria of two promotions, consolidating in League 1 seemed quite nice. Now we're there and losing a few, it doesn't seem as cosy or acceptable to many. I think DC likes to experiment at the beginning of each season. He likes his 3-5-2, using the established and loaned players in whatever roles he thinks might work early on. I don't think he's stubborn, just inventive. If it doesn't work after eight games or so, he will abandon the experiment,and revert to what he knows has worked in the past. But in the early stages of the season, he takes a chance on something that might prove to be better than we've had before. To prove if his ideas are right, he has to give it more than two or three chances. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 6:40:07 GMT
^^
How many points do we need for mid table in this league?
50/60.
1.5 points per game?
That's what we should be looking for imo. Not nit picking our new players to pieces when they've been with us a matter of days!
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Post by socrates on Sept 12, 2016 9:24:13 GMT
I remember a time when we moaned about every dropped point and criticised every managerial decision which meant we didn't win. We were in league 1. Achieving mid table finishes and dreaming of more before we were ready. We then sat and watched as 5 managers in as many months sent us down until we ended up non league dreaming of the days when we were in league 1. We now have a situation where we moaned about dropped points and question the manager..... I seem to recall the biggest vote in the last "where will we finish in League 1" poll was for a solid mid table position. If we win one and lose one of our next two games in hand, that's exactly where we'll be at this early stage of the season. After the euphoria of two promotions, consolidating in League 1 seemed quite nice. Now we're there and losing a few, it doesn't seem as cosy or acceptable to many. I think DC likes to experiment at the beginning of each season. He likes his 3-5-2, using the established and loaned players in whatever roles he thinks might work early on. I don't think he's stubborn, just inventive. If it doesn't work after eight games or so, he will abandon the experiment,and revert to what he knows has worked in the past. But in the early stages of the season, he takes a chance on something that might prove to be better than we've had before. To prove if his ideas are right, he has to give it more than two or three chances. That's fair enough but now we're six games in and the only win we've had is the only time we've played 4-4-2 can we have 4-4-2 back now please ? We've got some really tough away games coming up lets get back to basics tomorrow night and go for a win. |
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Post by tommym9 on Sept 12, 2016 9:44:08 GMT
Broadly agree with you Steve as usual. I think now we are playing better teams they are much more able to exploit the space behind wing-backs in the 3-5-2 formation.
I'd like to see a 5-3-2 if not 4-4-2 tomorrow night!
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