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Nov 30, 2016 20:23:02 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2016 20:23:02 GMT
Can anyone explain how on earth the old school football formation worked?
I've been told your full backs stayed back with the winger. Fine, but who stays back in the middle. Oh, the centre half, and right half and left half, who are also midfielders and ball players....how on earth does this work?
Also, forwards. 5 of them. All forward apparently. So it's a 5-5 formation with the back five also performing the duties of midfield.
How on earth this works I can't understand.
Can anyone explain the formation in new school football terms?
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Nov 30, 2016 20:48:42 GMT
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Nov 30, 2016 20:48:42 GMT
2 CBs, 5 forwards and every player was a few stone overweight with names like 'dixie'
That's about it
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Nov 30, 2016 20:53:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2016 20:53:19 GMT
Worked perfectly OK in my playing days.
Man for man marking, fullbacks taking the wingers, centre half the centre forward, wing halves the inside forwards etc etc.
The first variations on the 2 3 5 system probably the Leeds team of the late sixties using their fullbacks to attack outside of the wingers.
Definitely a much more rigid system for want of a better word before say the 4 2 4 midfield system arrived on the scene.
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Nov 30, 2016 21:15:34 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2016 21:15:34 GMT
Thinking about this more deeply.
I think the Puskas Hungary team of the mid fifties and the slightly later Brazilians used the 4 2 4 system to great effect against the likes of England playing the 2 3 5 lineup and as I said earlier 4 2 4 arrived in our football league in the mid to late sixties.
4 4 2 and 4 3 3 have been later variations on the 4 2 4.line up.
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Nov 30, 2016 21:18:11 GMT
Post by Staffordshire Gas on Nov 30, 2016 21:18:11 GMT
Attachment DeletedWe had an 'Inside Forward' called Ian Hamilton.Genius and totally natural skills.Still watches games to-day.Front row second right between Alfie Biggs and Bobby jones.'Click ' on the pic,Alex Munro,Ray Mabbut, Harold Jarman,Doug Hillard etc.
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Nov 30, 2016 21:21:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2016 21:21:19 GMT
Thinking about this more deeply. I think the Puskas Hungary team of the mid fifties and the slightly later Brazilians used the 4 2 4 system to great effect against the likes of England playing the 2 3 5 lineup and as I said earlier 4 2 4 arrived in our football league in the mid to late sixties. 4 4 2 and 4 3 3 have been later variations on the 4 2 4.line up. I thought England won in 66 with wingless wonders, and I was once told that was 442? |
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Nov 30, 2016 21:28:30 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2016 21:28:30 GMT
Thinking about this more deeply. I think the Puskas Hungary team of the mid fifties and the slightly later Brazilians used the 4 2 4 system to great effect against the likes of England playing the 2 3 5 lineup and as I said earlier 4 2 4 arrived in our football league in the mid to late sixties. 4 4 2 and 4 3 3 have been later variations on the 4 2 4.line up. I thought England won in 66 with wingless wonders, and I was once told that was 442? Think it was a 4 1 3 2 Alf Ramsey system rather than a rigid 4 4 2. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2016 21:30:43 GMT
View AttachmentWe had an 'Inside Forward' called Ian Hamilton.Genius and totally natural skills.Still watches games to-day.Front row second right between Alfie Biggs and Bobby jones.'Click ' on the pic,Alex Munro,Ray Mabbut etc. Ian Hamilton could truly be called a fox in the box.Great player and definitely a gas legend and as you say Staffordshire great skills. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2016 21:46:50 GMT
Terry Cooper our former player and Manager was the first England fullback who brought the overlapping fullbacks role into the England team when previously the likes of Ray Wilson and George Cohen were old school type of fullbacks who rarely would go past the halfway line and if they did a nosebleed would more than likely ensue.
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Nov 30, 2016 22:36:26 GMT
Post by aghast on Nov 30, 2016 22:36:26 GMT
Until the early sixties, weren't defenders just the few who had to hack down the 2 wingers and three strikers?
Sir Alf saw a flaw with this plan when we were being marmalised by Johnny Foreigner, and introduced a modern formation for the England team which resulted in the 1966 "Host Nation always do better than they really are" World Cup win, and which has has been followed since.
That worked well then.
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