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Post by oldgas on Dec 5, 2016 15:45:18 GMT
Oh, and by the way, I'm not jumping on some criticise Clarke bandwagon; I love what he's done for the club and sincerely hope he can take us further.
I have, in the past wondered on these pages whether he will be able to sign then manage more high-profile players.
It is well documented that they can prove to be prima donnas, not easily taking to bending their will to fit in with a manager who hasn't scaled the heights in his playing career.
Remember our own Marcus Stewart and the way he reacted to Garry Johnson. Yes, he was and is a Sh1thead and I was amused,at their falling out, but in the back of my mind was the thought that MS should have buckled down and done as he was told.
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Post by ipswichrover on Dec 5, 2016 16:21:14 GMT
Our progress has, to an extent, been built on confidence and team spirit rather than having the best players. Recent results won't have helped confidence and (whatever DC says) the continual changing of the squad won't have helped team spirit. Our manager can misjudge things. When he took over, he shook things up and...we got relegated. Not long ago he was predicting the January transfer window would see few changes, now he is implying the opposite. I have missed the last two home games, but I am not sure there has been some recent sudden change. We gained some lucky points earlier in the season. People focussed on great last minute fight backs, forgetting that for parts of some games, we had struggled. If we had been 5 nil down at half time at MK Dons, we couldn't have complained, yet we got a point. Equally, I thought 0-4 wasn't a fair reflection of play at Millwall. We have also put up some good performances against the better teams in the division, even if we narrowly lost, such as at Sheffield Utd. For me, if there is some crisis, it is in team spirit and confidence, which would be helped by having, particularly in defence, a more settled team. Our manager may now have more idea of where he needs to strengthen, but I don't believe we have gone from having a squad that didn't need to fear any team a few weeks ago to having one that is suddenly useless. From what I have seen, we have a reasonable mid table squad, that needs stability and strengthening here and there to ensure we comfortably stay up, which was always my realistic hope for this season. If you weren't at the last two home games how can you comment that we couldn't complain at 5-0 half time Because I was talking about the away game at MKD, not the home game v Charlton, if you read my post!
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Post by oldgas on Dec 5, 2016 17:29:54 GMT
To the posters who have attacked my posts on this thread, were you at the last 3 home games?
If you were, how would you describe our last 3 performances.?
The results tend to suggest we weren't very good. If you weren't there, you don't have an opinion that's worth sharing.
I hope DC pulls it round, I really do, but I speak as I find and as of late we have been utter S. H. I. T. E.
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Post by Okebournegas on Dec 5, 2016 17:54:36 GMT
To the posters who have attacked my posts on this thread, were you at the last 3 home games? If you were, how would you describe our last 3 performances.? The results tend to suggest we weren't very good. If you weren't there, you don't have an opinion that's worth sharing. I hope DC pulls it round, I really do, but I speak as I find and as of late we have been utter S. H. I. T. E. I've attacked your post , yes i was there for said games , and we have been awful , what's your point? To say people who weren't there means their opinion is not valid is a bit silly , I couldn't make the playoff final back in 07 does that mean I can't talk about it with fellow Gasheads ? Take a breather it's not healthy.
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Post by rambo on Dec 5, 2016 18:22:45 GMT
If you weren't at the last two home games how can you comment that we couldn't complain at 5-0 half time Because I was talking about the away game at MKD, not the home game v Charlton, if you read my post! D'oh! Time for a lie down I think...
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Post by rambo on Dec 5, 2016 18:25:34 GMT
To the posters who have attacked my posts on this thread, were you at the last 3 home games? If you were, how would you describe our last 3 performances.? The results tend to suggest we weren't very good. If you weren't there, you don't have an opinion that's worth sharing. I hope DC pulls it round, I really do, but I speak as I find and as of late we have been utter S. H. I. T. E. I've been there for all 3 and we've been terrible. The worst run we've been on under Clarke. However, every team have blips and hopefully that is all this is. I saw enough in our first 7-8 home games to suggest panic need not set in and we will pick up plenty of points, hopefully starting this Saturday!
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Post by Blackbeard on Dec 5, 2016 18:28:48 GMT
We were utter sh1te today, as a collective. Amateur defending. This is going to be D C's acid test. Will he be able to sign the players needed? His record with the likes of Blisset, James, Roos, Hartley et al make me wonder. blissett played a part in us gaining promotion to the football league , James hasn't had enough game time to be judged , Roos has to constantly deal with an ever changing back line and personally I think he's reasonably good keeper I think he just needs someone to compete with to keep him on his toes, Hartley for me is a bit hit and miss at times for me but generally think he's ok . He's shipped 16 goals in 5 games and he's a reasonably good keeper? by that reckoning he's marginally better than my 75 yr old mother
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Post by oldgas on Dec 5, 2016 18:39:38 GMT
To the posters who have attacked my posts on this thread, were you at the last 3 home games? If you were, how would you describe our last 3 performances.? The results tend to suggest we weren't very good. If you weren't there, you don't have an opinion that's worth sharing. I hope DC pulls it round, I really do, but I speak as I find and as of late we have been utter S. H. I. T. E. I've been there for all 3 and we've been terrible. The worst run we've been on under Clarke. However, every team have blips and hopefully that is all this is. I saw enough in our first 7-8 home games to suggest panic need not set in and we will pick up plenty of points, hopefully starting this Saturday! I agree with there's no need to panic. But you have to ask yourself"why have we bee so easy to open up, almost at will, then concede from virtually every opposition chance"? you can put some of it down to loss of form and bad luck, but I think it goes deeper than that. I reckon DC kept making team and formation changes in an effort to confuse opposition coaches. They have now Sussed us, and I'll bet the scouts etc of our last 3 opponents have watched a number of our games and worked us out. Hence they now come at us knowing we won't be able to hold out. I reckon that if DC had better players in certain areas he wouldn't have chopped and changed anywhere near as much, it was a formula that largely worked but now it's been Sussed he knows he needs to enter the transfer market. I hope it works out.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 5, 2016 18:44:21 GMT
blissett played a part in us gaining promotion to the football league , James hasn't had enough game time to be judged , Roos has to constantly deal with an ever changing back line and personally I think he's reasonably good keeper I think he just needs someone to compete with to keep him on his toes, Hartley for me is a bit hit and miss at times for me but generally think he's ok . He's shipped 16 goals in 5 games and he's a reasonably good keeper? by that reckoning he's marginally better than my 75 yr old mother Problem is though is it the goalie or the defenders in front of him, or a mixture of the two? Locks as lost form and I don't think Hartley ever had it to lose. Problem is we've no idea if Hartley was all DC could afford, after all why is our budget only bottom third of Div 1 when we've decent home gates and are apparently owned by a family of billionaires? Whilst you don't expect to compete with the top 6 or so sides you'd hope we would have at least a top 10 budget?
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Post by Okebournegas on Dec 5, 2016 19:15:31 GMT
blissett played a part in us gaining promotion to the football league , James hasn't had enough game time to be judged , Roos has to constantly deal with an ever changing back line and personally I think he's reasonably good keeper I think he just needs someone to compete with to keep him on his toes, Hartley for me is a bit hit and miss at times for me but generally think he's ok . He's shipped 16 goals in 5 games and he's a reasonably good keeper? by that reckoning he's marginally better than my 75 yr old mother Nothing to do with the sh**e defending then ? easiest thing to do in the world is to blame the goal keeper it has to go past the outfield players first doesn't it ? Don't tell me mildy is much better.......
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Dec 5, 2016 19:42:40 GMT
Really? So are we overlooking the fact that DC cleared out the L2 relegation side and re-built it with a squad of players who went on two win us two successive promotions, just because he's made a few dodgy signings? (Name a manager who gets every signing right, btw). Are we just forgetting about Taylor, Sinclair, Leadbitter, Lines, Mansell et al? The players DC signed after the relegation were hardly a risk were they? he was signing players who were proven at that level and could be confidently expected to do well .. Now we're in league one its proved more of a challenge for him to sign players to improve us at that level. I would suggest his signings since promotion from the Conference have been hit and miss. Mostly miss, especially in the goalie department. 1) Taylor was plucked from FGR's bench and Sinclair had played at National League level for one season before we signed him. Hardly what I'd call 'proven at that level' and they have turned out to be two of the best signings we have made (value for money wise) in a long, long time. Torquay fans laughed when we signed Mansell and said his legs had gone - captained us to two promotions. Let's not sit here and pretend that we signed big name Conference players who had been doing it at that level for years, because we didn't. 2) It's proved more of a challenge for him to sign players to improve us in League One because a lot of our budget for this season was taken up by promising all of last season's squad renewed contracts if we went up. It was a wise move to get us over the line last year, but it's definitely hindered DC's ability to make L1-ready additions IMO. 3) Don't agree our signings since promotion from the Conference have been mostly miss. We didn't recruit well this summer (largely due to budget IMO), but what about the likes of Bodin (signed after a trial and ended up being a massive part of our promotion), Gaffney (Cambridge reject who almost single handedly won us 9-12 points while on loan alone), Montano etc?
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 5, 2016 19:56:16 GMT
But why is DC's budget so restricted when attendances are top 7 but the budget according to DC yesterday is only top 16, and a chunk of that was only spent on loan players after the Chelsea game windfall? www.footballwebpages.co.uk/leagueone/attendances
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Post by paulpirate on Dec 5, 2016 19:57:33 GMT
Don't worry all,if we beat bury Saturday we're all be w**king again and DC will be a target for Barca
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Post by Okebournegas on Dec 5, 2016 20:08:18 GMT
Don't worry all,if we beat bury Saturday we're all be w**king again and DC will be a target for Barca Unfortunately mate that's what will happen !!!!! ( until our next dropped points , then we'll go back to our players not being good enough for league 1 )
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Post by oldgas on Dec 5, 2016 20:10:38 GMT
The players DC signed after the relegation were hardly a risk were they? he was signing players who were proven at that level and could be confidently expected to do well .. Now we're in league one its proved more of a challenge for him to sign players to improve us at that level. I would suggest his signings since promotion from the Conference have been hit and miss. Mostly miss, especially in the goalie department. 1) Taylor was plucked from FGR's bench and Sinclair had played at National League level for one season before we signed him. Hardly what I'd call 'proven at that level' and they have turned out to be two of the best signings we have made (value for money wise) in a long, long time. Torquay fans laughed when we signed Mansell and said his legs had gone - captained us to two promotions. Let's not sit here and pretend that we signed big name Conference players who had been doing it at that level for years, because we didn't. 2) It's proved more of a challenge for him to sign players to improve us in League One because a lot of our budget for this season was taken up by promising all of last season's squad renewed contracts if we went up. It was a wise move to get us over the line last year, but it's definitely hindered DC's ability to make L1-ready additions IMO. 3) Don't agree our signings since promotion from the Conference have been mostly miss. We didn't recruit well this summer (largely due to budget IMO), but what about the likes of Bodin (signed after a trial and ended up being a massive part of our promotion), Gaffney (Cambridge reject who almost single handedly won us 9-12 points while on loan alone), Montano etc? Sinclair had been with DC at Salisbury so he knew exactly what he was getting. MT was being wasted at FGR, when he went to Chester on loan he scored something last me 7 in 8 games. He went back to FGR and sat on the bench. For whatever reason he didn't suit the manager, Pennock I believe. Used properly Taylor wasn't much of a risk in the Conference. DC isn't infallible when it comes to transfers. For every Mansell there is a Lawrence, Gafney a Blisset Taylor a White. Like I say, I want DC to suceed. I think the coming transfer window will show us what he's mad of.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 20:16:29 GMT
Aren't rovers in the league they've spent most of their history in!? Nothing to melt about here.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 20:16:47 GMT
Sack everyone!
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Post by garystash on Dec 5, 2016 20:22:33 GMT
But why is DC's budget so restricted when attendances are top 7 but the budget according to DC yesterday is only top 16, and a chunk of that was only spent on loan players after the Chelsea game windfall? www.footballwebpages.co.uk/leagueone/attendancesMaybe we're spending money improving the backroom team and infrastructure?
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Post by oddsongas on Dec 5, 2016 20:50:30 GMT
1) Taylor was plucked from FGR's bench and Sinclair had played at National League level for one season before we signed him. Hardly what I'd call 'proven at that level' and they have turned out to be two of the best signings we have made (value for money wise) in a long, long time. Torquay fans laughed when we signed Mansell and said his legs had gone - captained us to two promotions. Let's not sit here and pretend that we signed big name Conference players who had been doing it at that level for years, because we didn't. 2) It's proved more of a challenge for him to sign players to improve us in League One because a lot of our budget for this season was taken up by promising all of last season's squad renewed contracts if we went up. It was a wise move to get us over the line last year, but it's definitely hindered DC's ability to make L1-ready additions IMO. 3) Don't agree our signings since promotion from the Conference have been mostly miss. We didn't recruit well this summer (largely due to budget IMO), but what about the likes of Bodin (signed after a trial and ended up being a massive part of our promotion), Gaffney (Cambridge reject who almost single handedly won us 9-12 points while on loan alone), Montano etc? Sinclair had been with DC at Salisbury so he knew exactly what he was getting. MT was being wasted at FGR, when he went to Chester on loan he scored something last me 7 in 8 games. He went back to FGR and sat on the bench. For whatever reason he didn't suit the manager, Pennock I believe. Used properly Taylor wasn't much of a risk in the Conference. DC isn't infallible when it comes to transfers. For every Mansell there is a Lawrence, Gafney a Blisset Taylor a White. Like I say, I want DC to suceed. I think the coming transfer window will show us what he's mad of. Most people wanted to get rid of taylor after his start, but DC kept with him. Saying taylor wasn't a much of a risk in the conference is stupid IMO. You said he's more hit than miss which the poster has already pointed out that's not true. I feel you are being way too harsh on DC for his transfers and not giving him enough credit IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 21:09:35 GMT
1) Taylor was plucked from FGR's bench and Sinclair had played at National League level for one season before we signed him. Hardly what I'd call 'proven at that level' and they have turned out to be two of the best signings we have made (value for money wise) in a long, long time. Torquay fans laughed when we signed Mansell and said his legs had gone - captained us to two promotions. Let's not sit here and pretend that we signed big name Conference players who had been doing it at that level for years, because we didn't. 2) It's proved more of a challenge for him to sign players to improve us in League One because a lot of our budget for this season was taken up by promising all of last season's squad renewed contracts if we went up. It was a wise move to get us over the line last year, but it's definitely hindered DC's ability to make L1-ready additions IMO. 3) Don't agree our signings since promotion from the Conference have been mostly miss. We didn't recruit well this summer (largely due to budget IMO), but what about the likes of Bodin (signed after a trial and ended up being a massive part of our promotion), Gaffney (Cambridge reject who almost single handedly won us 9-12 points while on loan alone), Montano etc? Sinclair had been with DC at Salisbury so he knew exactly what he was getting. MT was being wasted at FGR, when he went to Chester on loan he scored something last me 7 in 8 games. He went back to FGR and sat on the bench. For whatever reason he didn't suit the manager, Pennock I believe. Used properly Taylor wasn't much of a risk in the Conference. DC isn't infallible when it comes to transfers. For every Mansell there is a Lawrence, Gafney a Blisset Taylor.Like I say, I want DC to suceed. I think the coming transfer window will show us what he's mad of. I see where your coming from with the first 3 but Mattee a transgender? The operation would have taken a week!
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