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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 22:02:15 GMT
I've been thinking our problems through in my head: There are times this season when: James Clarke has looked much improved. Ellis Harrison has had a consistent run of good games. Ollie Clarke has looked every inch a League 1 midfielder. Charlie Colkett has shown real quality. Daniel Leadbitter has provided assists from the right. Peter Hartley has looked the solid no-nonsense centre back we needed and has weighed in with goals. Additionally, up until recently Lines has been the standout player and Brown has been typically solid. Taylor has scored plenty of goals. Sinclair remains pretty solid and has had a good season. Gaffney has found his form recently and contributed well. Lockyer has been under-par most of the season. The goalkeeper situation has been bad. We have lost confidence and looked all at sea at the back in the last month or so. When players lose form en masse it is easy to think they are not good enough but usually it is not that simple. I think we need to strengthen a little at the back and find a solid keeper. If we get the defence right we have enough going forward to be fine, provided Taylor stays. If he goes, obviously we need to replace him, too. Whilst I would like the loss of confidence factor to be true (it may be just that) I can't shake the nagging feeling that the speed and steepness of our total loss of form has been caused by some kind of dressing room shenanigans.Roberts gone now so could be something going on amongst the loan players? Charlie missing his bud who must be back at Chelsea for the overseeing of his injury? All complete bollocks probably and just as likely its mattee been caught nobbing one of the wives!Something is not right though Imo.
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Post by peterparker on Dec 21, 2016 19:28:49 GMT
ive obviously attracted the forum mafia and there enforcers,never mind. the simple fact remains that we signed 8 players including 6 yes 6 on loan and they havnt performed very well as yet this season. lets see what happens in january. will we get say luke freeman on loan from city for the rest of the season or a very promising youth international from arsenal who might be ok in league 1. lets see if wael really does back the manager this time? Only time will tell; however, currently we are not in the bottom four, and six points over Christmas will kick start the season; hold your nerve and get behind the boys; ffs we have had two promotions in two seasons, whats not to like ? I would say I am not convinced by WAQ, who has gone missing in recent weeks, I would like him to come out and stop making failed promises about training grounds and stadiums and talk about investment in the team. UTG Obviously since the post there has been developments on the Training ground front but how could you call.it failed before when we were awaiting a planning decision? If you want to criticisw WAQ and the board fine, but at least do it with a coherent argument
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 21, 2016 20:22:37 GMT
ive obviously attracted the forum mafia and there enforcers,never mind. the simple fact remains that we signed 8 players including 6 yes 6 on loan and they havnt performed very well as yet this season. lets see what happens in january. will we get say luke freeman on loan from city for the rest of the season or a very promising youth international from arsenal who might be ok in league 1. lets see if wael really does back the manager this time? So the fact nobody else agrees with you makes us the forum mafia and their enforces for disagreeing with you, isn't that a bit of a short sighted view? it looks like Wael's about to spend £1m+ on a training ground for DC's squad, how the hell is that undermining him, as it sounds to me he's supporting the manager like no other owner as ever done since most of us have been supporting Rovers as I can't recall when we've ever owned our own training ground.
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Post by bs9trymer on Dec 21, 2016 21:12:02 GMT
ive obviously attracted the forum mafia and there enforcers,never mind. the simple fact remains that we signed 8 players including 6 yes 6 on loan and they havnt performed very well as yet this season. lets see what happens in january. will we get say luke freeman on loan from city for the rest of the season or a very promising youth international from arsenal who might be ok in league 1. lets see if wael really does back the manager this time? So the fact nobody else agrees with you makes us the forum mafia and their enforces for disagreeing with you, isn't that a bit of a short sighted view? it looks like Wael's about to spend £1m+ on a training ground for DC's squad, how the hell is that undermining him, as it sounds to me he's supporting the manager like no other owner as ever done since most of us have been supporting Rovers as I can't recall when we've ever owned our own training ground. Rovers training ground was at Hambrook in the late 70s early 80s ( possibly before you started supporting Rovers ?) I always thought that Rovers owned it. The reserves used to play there sometimes,afternoon games and quite a few used to go,loads of firms vans parked up outside,I remember Geoff Merrick playing for the reserves there against Portsmouth ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2016 22:03:34 GMT
ive obviously attracted the forum mafia and there enforcers,never mind. the simple fact remains that we signed 8 players including 6 yes 6 on loan and they havnt performed very well as yet this season. lets see what happens in january. will we get say luke freeman on loan from city for the rest of the season or a very promising youth international from arsenal who might be ok in league 1. lets see if wael really does back the manager this time? So the fact nobody else agrees with you makes us the forum mafia and their enforces for disagreeing with you, isn't that a bit of a short sighted view? it looks like Wael's about to spend £1m+ on a training ground for DC's squad, how the hell is that undermining him, as it sounds to me he's supporting the manager like no other owner as ever done since most of us have been supporting Rovers as I can't recall when we've ever owned our own training ground. you were happy with the 8 signings then? no problem with 6 loans,mostly inexperienced,all good with you ?
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Post by oldgas on Dec 21, 2016 22:28:21 GMT
So the fact nobody else agrees with you makes us the forum mafia and their enforces for disagreeing with you, isn't that a bit of a short sighted view? it looks like Wael's about to spend £1m+ on a training ground for DC's squad, how the hell is that undermining him, as it sounds to me he's supporting the manager like no other owner as ever done since most of us have been supporting Rovers as I can't recall when we've ever owned our own training ground. Rovers training ground was at Hambrook in the late 70s early 80s ( possibly before you started supporting Rovers ?) I always thought that Rovers owned it. The reserves used to play there sometimes,afternoon games and quite a few used to go,loads of firms vans parked up outside,I remember Geoff Merrick playing for the reserves there against Portsmouth ? I believe the training ground to which you refer was sold off to generate cash to offset mounting debt during the joint chairmanship of Barry Bradshaw and another man whose name escapes me. i believe the club tried to get PP to build a stadium on this land and it was rejected out of hand by S. Glos council. I believe the council leader at the time said something like "As long as I am council leader Bristol Rovers will not build a stadium in the authority area" This was of course in the 1970's - 80's when football was a social pariah.
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Post by oldgas on Dec 21, 2016 22:33:06 GMT
ive obviously attracted the forum mafia and there enforcers,never mind. the simple fact remains that we signed 8 players including 6 yes 6 on loan and they havnt performed very well as yet this season. lets see what happens in january. will we get say luke freeman on loan from city for the rest of the season or a very promising youth international from arsenal who might be ok in league 1. lets see if wael really does back the manager this time? Perhaps you have attracted such criticism because your opening post was total sh1t? just a thought!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2016 23:01:26 GMT
ive obviously attracted the forum mafia and there enforcers,never mind. the simple fact remains that we signed 8 players including 6 yes 6 on loan and they havnt performed very well as yet this season. lets see what happens in january. will we get say luke freeman on loan from city for the rest of the season or a very promising youth international from arsenal who might be ok in league 1. lets see if wael really does back the manager this time? Perhaps you have attracted such criticism because your opening post was total sh1t? just a thought! thats your view wow so what? dont worry the big january signings will prove wael means to back dc. if higgs was chairman and we signed 5 young kids on loan with 0 league 1 games and luke james with almost 0 goals this thread would have been created by someone else months ago.
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Dec 21, 2016 23:13:29 GMT
Perhaps you have attracted such criticism because your opening post was total sh1t? just a thought! thats your view wow so what? dont worry the big january signings will prove wael means to back dc. if higgs was chairman and we signed 5 young kids on loan with 0 league 1 games and luke james with almost 0 goals this thread would have been created by someone else months ago. But Higgs isn't chairman, Wael is. And I believe he is a genuinely brilliant bloke (with a lot personal wealth) who has grown to love this club in the short space of time he has been here and he genuinely wants to do everything possible to take the club forward over the next few years. Either that or he is a cracking actor and has fooled me as well as many other gasheads in the past 9 months. In Wael we trust. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2016 23:26:37 GMT
thats your view wow so what? dont worry the big january signings will prove wael means to back dc. if higgs was chairman and we signed 5 young kids on loan with 0 league 1 games and luke james with almost 0 goals this thread would have been created by someone else months ago. But Higgs isn't chairman, Wael is. And I believe he is a genuinely brilliant bloke (with a lot personal wealth) who has grown to love this club in the short space of time he has been here and he genuinely wants to do everything possible to take the club forward over the next few years. Either that or he is a cracking actor and has fooled me as well as many other gasheads in the past 9 months. In Wael we trust. UTG! maybe the cost of other projects has restricted the playing budget but its struck me that our recruitment so far this season has been poor and in part predictably because we had too many very young loan signings. we have to trust wael but he shouldnt be above criticism
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Post by Langford Gas on Dec 22, 2016 4:04:45 GMT
Rovers training ground was at Hambrook in the late 70s early 80s ( possibly before you started supporting Rovers ?) I always thought that Rovers owned it. The reserves used to play there sometimes,afternoon games and quite a few used to go,loads of firms vans parked up outside,I remember Geoff Merrick playing for the reserves there against Portsmouth ? I believe the training ground to which you refer was sold off to generate cash to offset mounting debt during the joint chairmanship of Barry Bradshaw and another man whose name escapes me.i believe the club tried to get PP to build a stadium on this land and it was rejected out of hand by S. Glos council. I believe the council leader at the time said something like "As long as I am council leader Bristol Rovers will not build a stadium in the authority area" This was of course in the 1970's - 80's when football was a social pariah. The name could be Martin Flook
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Post by grayraydon on Dec 22, 2016 6:57:20 GMT
But Higgs isn't chairman, Wael is. And I believe he is a genuinely brilliant bloke (with a lot personal wealth) who has grown to love this club in the short space of time he has been here and he genuinely wants to do everything possible to take the club forward over the next few years. Either that or he is a cracking actor and has fooled me as well as many other gasheads in the past 9 months. In Wael we trust. UTG! maybe the cost of other projects has restricted the playing budget but its struck me that our recruitment so far this season has been poor and in part predictably because we had too many very young loan signings. we have to trust wael but he shouldnt be above criticism Maybe, maybe not! You've provided not one tiny shred of evidence anywhere in this shitshow of a thread about the owner undermining DC and every time you get questioned on it you just come back with the same thing about the amount of loan signings and say things like 'let's see if the owner really backs him this time' even though as has been posted on here by many people that DC himself has always said he has been fully backed in anything he's wanted to do, still anything for a good unsubstantiated moan though eh.
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Post by surreygas on Dec 22, 2016 7:54:06 GMT
I believe the training ground to which you refer was sold off to generate cash to offset mounting debt during the joint chairmanship of Barry Bradshaw and another man whose name escapes me.i believe the club tried to get PP to build a stadium on this land and it was rejected out of hand by S. Glos council. I believe the council leader at the time said something like "As long as I am council leader Bristol Rovers will not build a stadium in the authority area" This was of course in the 1970's - 80's when football was a social pariah. The name could be Martin Flook Good shout. I think he was finance director back then so that would make sense.
Hambrook was the first in a long line of potential stadium sites that fell by the way. It would have been ideal with its proximity to the motorways and Rovers catchment area and there weren't too many residents there to object. Unfortunately, this was our first lesson in realising that it only takes a handful of objectors to scupper stadium plans that thousands of people wanted.
Ironically, the latest site at UWE is just up the road from Hambrook so we've come full circle 30 years later! Hopefully we wont suffer the same outcome!
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Post by peterparker on Dec 22, 2016 7:57:25 GMT
maybe the cost of other projects has restricted the playing budget but its struck me that our recruitment so far this season has been poor and in part predictably because we had too many very young loan signings. we have to trust wael but he shouldnt be above criticism Maybe, maybe not! You've provided not one tiny shred of evidence anywhere in this shitshow of a thread about the owner undermining DC and every time you get questioned on it you just come back with the same thing about the amount of loan signings and say things like 'let's see if the owner really backs him this time' even though as has been posted on here by many people that DC himself has always said he has been fully backed in anything he's wanted to do, still anything for a good unsubstantiated moan though eh. Indeed, you could also make a flip side argument and say DC has undermined the owner (not something I believe) WAQ might have asked DC what he needed and DC may have thought he could do it with what he had with a few additions.
DC has been all about the having the right personalities, buying into his ideas etc. Whilst you can say most of those are cliché manager things, perhaps DC didn't want to create too much unrest (whether he has or not is a different matter)
If people think Wae has undermined the manager then they are only looking at one possible scenario, one that fits their argument
Not sure if I said it here or on the other forum, but whilst promotion was great and you can't turn it down, perhaps it was a season too early and the new ownership needed to get in under the table. the new analyst guy probably didn't have time to work on things. With Sainsbury's up in the air NO ONE knew how that was going to affect the club and playing budgets
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Post by oldgas on Dec 22, 2016 8:31:35 GMT
The name could be Martin Flook Good shout. I think he was finance director back then so that would make sense.
Hambrook was the first in a long line of potential stadium sites that fell by the way. It would have been ideal with its proximity to the motorways and Rovers catchment area and there weren't too many residents there to object. Unfortunately, this was our first lesson in realising that it only takes a handful of objectors to scupper stadium plans that thousands of people wanted.
Ironically, the latest site at UWE is just up the road from Hambrook so we've come full circle 30 years later! Hopefully we wont suffer the same outcome!
That's the fella. He used to own the Clarence House social club and the land around it in Portishead. He used to go in the club sometimes and was always willing to have a chat about Rovers. He seemed a really nice guy, but although to most people he was wealthy, running a football club was different gravy, even in those days, and I think the venture cost him a lot of money. A genuine man but not wealthy enough to sustain a major loss making enterprise. Back in those days supporters were deserting football in their droves, and it was proving difficult to get them back.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 22, 2016 9:01:24 GMT
But Higgs isn't chairman, Wael is. And I believe he is a genuinely brilliant bloke (with a lot personal wealth) who has grown to love this club in the short space of time he has been here and he genuinely wants to do everything possible to take the club forward over the next few years. Either that or he is a cracking actor and has fooled me as well as many other gasheads in the past 9 months. In Wael we trust. UTG! maybe the cost of other projects has restricted the playing budget but its struck me that our recruitment so far this season has been poor and in part predictably because we had too many very young loan signings. we have to trust wael but he shouldnt be above criticism But the fact they are typical DC signings like LDV, Dawson, Henshall, etc in the past is simply overlooked and Wael blamed for bringing them in on the cheap? What's the betting when we signed the Chelsea etc lads you posted what good signings they were? In my view the only players we lacked after the summer were a defensive CM and possibly a reserve CF to replace Fallon. I doubt either would have broke the bank if DC had wanted to sign them?
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Post by perryfenwick on Dec 22, 2016 11:04:14 GMT
DC has said we've a budget in the bottom 8. Probably due to FFP given how much is being spent on the training ground, and trying to rescue the UWE deal.
Ever wonder if some people don't like losing their special status where board members and their cronies would drip feed gossip? That happens less now that the professionals are here.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2016 11:16:29 GMT
maybe the cost of other projects has restricted the playing budget but its struck me that our recruitment so far this season has been poor and in part predictably because we had too many very young loan signings. we have to trust wael but he shouldnt be above criticism But the fact they are typical DC signings like LDV, Dawson, Henshall, etc in the past is simply overlooked and Wael blamed for bringing them in on the cheap? What's the betting when we signed the Chelsea etc lads you posted what good signings they were? In my view the only players we lacked after the summer were a defensive CM and possibly a reserve CF to replace Fallon. I doubt either would have broke the bank if DC had wanted to sign them? if you look at my "terrible truth about our signings" thread i did point out the lack of experience among the loan players which worried me then[early sept]. im not against signing young players loan or otherwise just believed we should have got experience as well,but that would cost of course.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2016 11:22:28 GMT
maybe the cost of other projects has restricted the playing budget but its struck me that our recruitment so far this season has been poor and in part predictably because we had too many very young loan signings. we have to trust wael but he shouldnt be above criticism Maybe, maybe not! You've provided not one tiny shred of evidence anywhere in this shitshow of a thread about the owner undermining DC and every time you get questioned on it you just come back with the same thing about the amount of loan signings and say things like 'let's see if the owner really backs him this time' even though as has been posted on here by many people that DC himself has always said he has been fully backed in anything he's wanted to do, still anything for a good unsubstantiated moan though eh. hes undermined him by not giving him enough money to get players in to improve the team,im not saying hes done it on purpose but our team hasnt improved one little bit this season though were in a higher league. in fact i would suggest that last years team with the smaller squad and mostly all our own players all knowing there roles in the team would comfortably beat this seasons team.
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Dec 22, 2016 11:44:40 GMT
DC has said we've a budget in the bottom 8. Probably due to FFP given how much is being spent on the training ground, and trying to rescue the UWE deal. Ever wonder if some people don't like losing their special status where board members and their cronies would drip feed gossip? That happens less now that the professionals are here. I may be wrong. But I'm pretty sure I remember reading the FFP rules somewhere and the only teams that have to limit their losses are Prem and Championship clubs. I'm pretty sure the only regulations Lge 1 and 2 clubs have to meet is in relation to their wages (eg. can spend a maximum of 60% of revenue on players wages or something like that). We could therefore spend as much as we like off the field and still meet FFP. If this is the case, we may be better off staying in League One until the stadium and training ground is completed, if Wael is funding the majority of it out of his own pocket. UTG!
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