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Post by socrates on Feb 2, 2017 21:03:27 GMT
Like DC said in his interview there are plenty of clubs that are in a mess and trying to buy everyone to get out of it. We aren't in a mess are we ? The sh** are a good example of a club in a mess. We've got a good settled league 1 squad we're 3 points off the play offs and we've got a great team spirit. We can't compete financially with the likes of Bradford and Bolton because the infrastructure isn't there yet but we're working on it and the club realise it's vital. I'm not sure what some people expect.
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Post by knowall on Feb 2, 2017 21:17:14 GMT
If you ignore the £3m debt paid last march to avoid administration, the £1.2m on thw training ground? And a complete creation of around 15 backroom staff then tour right we dont spend money. Feck me im glad we have professionals at the helm these days who kow how to turn a pub team set up off the pitch into a professional outfit. Rant and ignore the facts all tou like it wont change the fact that this club is being built properly, amd no amount of fNs ignori g what waq said from day 1 will change that. Was the debt paid or just moved to a holding company? Who will actually own the training ground? Will it ever get built? UWE ? No back up plan for loosing your top scorer, that is purely bad management, if Higgs was here now he would be being slaughtered for doing the same..... are you really that thick or 4 years old - which ever it is you certainly don't understand business the debt WAS paid as confirmed at companies house - whoever paid it is now £3m worse off - that could be a holding company - why does that worry you? The shareholders will own the training ground - they also own the club why would the shareholders buy the training ground if they do not intend to build? UWE is ongoing until you hear otherwise Back up plan for MT was brought to the club 12 months ago - good forward planning You mention Mr Higgs and I note you are 'somersetgas' which is where Mr Higgs lives (when not in Italy) - neighbour? friend? is it you in disguise? could be as you don't have a handle on business
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 2, 2017 21:19:22 GMT
Agree Socrates but I am puzzled about Bolton. Aren't they meant to be something like £150m in debt? They are buying a lot of players and although I obviously don't know the contract terms, they might be on peanuts but with their debts I'm surprised they are doing so much business. Im glad we have meltdown about not spending money rather than spending money we might not have. I think that's good business but I know many won't agree with me. UTG!
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Post by Somersetgas on Feb 2, 2017 21:22:47 GMT
Was the debt paid or just moved to a holding company? Who will actually own the training ground? Will it ever get built? UWE ? No back up plan for loosing your top scorer, that is purely bad management, if Higgs was here now he would be being slaughtered for doing the same..... are you really that thick or 4 years old - which ever it is you certainly don't understand business the debt WAS paid as confirmed at companies house - whoever paid it is now £3m worse off - that could be a holding company - why does that worry you? The shareholders will own the training ground - they also own the club why would the shareholders buy the training ground if they do not intend to build? UWE is ongoing until you hear otherwise Back up plan for MT was brought to the club 12 months ago - good forward planning You mention Mr Higgs and I note you are 'somersetgas' which is where Mr Higgs lives (when not in Italy) - neighbour? friend? is it you in disguise? could be as you don't have a handle on business No I am not "thick" as you put it nor am I four years old and I don't I need to patronise people in responses. I don't know Mr Higgs, nor am I an ITK. However I do confess to liking Italy as a country. I'm just not convinced by our current Chairman. Sorry but that doesn't make me "thick"
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 2, 2017 21:33:52 GMT
Was the debt paid or just moved to a holding company? Who will actually own the training ground? Will it ever get built? UWE ? No back up plan for loosing your top scorer, that is purely bad management, if Higgs was here now he would be being slaughtered for doing the same..... are you really that thick or 4 years old - which ever it is you certainly don't understand business the debt WAS paid as confirmed at companies house - whoever paid it is now £3m worse off - that could be a holding company - why does that worry you? The shareholders will own the training ground - they also own the club why would the shareholders buy the training ground if they do not intend to build? UWE is ongoing until you hear otherwise Back up plan for MT was brought to the club 12 months ago - good forward planning You mention Mr Higgs and I note you are 'somersetgas' which is where Mr Higgs lives (when not in Italy) - neighbour? friend? is it you in disguise? could be as you don't have a handle on business The issue regarding the debt is an issue as if the Al-Q's decide to sell up for any reason will the club be debt free or still have the £3m debt hanging over them. The ownership of the training ground is another interesting one as if the Al-Q's are buying it personally then the cost etc is their concern, however, if the club itself is buying it then that's more debts and running costs the club have to incur. Personally I think it's a load of BS LJ was brought in as MT's replacement as he's spent most of his time played on the right wing and wasn't even making the squad before Christmas, if he really was being lined up as MT's replacement why wasn't he replacing him when ever he was subbed off?
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Post by toddy1953 on Feb 2, 2017 21:57:22 GMT
Agree Socrates but I am puzzled about Bolton. Aren't they meant to be something like £150m in debt? They are buying a lot of players and although I obviously don't know the contract terms, they might be on peanuts but with their debts I'm surprised they are doing so much business. Im glad we have meltdown about not spending money rather than spending money we might not have. I think that's good business but I know many won't agree with me. UTG! Most of Bolton's debt was written off by their previous owner Eddie Davies. Although the club are losing over 800k pm & have a transfer embargo in place, think they have only brought in a loanee & free agent as far as I am aware. They are also under watch or something by the League. Think they have issue with their council re their rates, and although they were taken over last year, the main shareholder is in dispute with the company who run the hotel & there is a feud with Dean Holdsworth & Sports Shield that could go to court, they desperately need investment. If they don't go up this season, they have about 16 players out of contract & will find it difficult to survive IMO. Much happier doing it the way we are and when you look at what was inherited here it was nowhere near as bad as at Bolton - excellent example of high paid players not up to the league they are in, or not making the effort for the team and also have long contracts - I have heard that somewhere before!
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Post by dinsdale on Feb 2, 2017 22:10:38 GMT
£3m debt ? It was almost £10m
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 2, 2017 22:12:26 GMT
Thanks toddy for that. I knew they had been taken over giving an appearance that problems were solved before reading that things weren't quite as clear cut as that. Thanks for filling in the blanks. TBH I thought they'd brought in more so perhaps not so strong as before? As you say better to do it our way. We might not be perfect but progress is being made. UTG!
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Post by tommym9 on Feb 2, 2017 22:12:43 GMT
are you really that thick or 4 years old - which ever it is you certainly don't understand business the debt WAS paid as confirmed at companies house - whoever paid it is now £3m worse off - that could be a holding company - why does that worry you? The shareholders will own the training ground - they also own the club why would the shareholders buy the training ground if they do not intend to build? UWE is ongoing until you hear otherwise Back up plan for MT was brought to the club 12 months ago - good forward planning You mention Mr Higgs and I note you are 'somersetgas' which is where Mr Higgs lives (when not in Italy) - neighbour? friend? is it you in disguise? could be as you don't have a handle on business The issue regarding the debt is an issue as if the Al-Q's decide to sell up for any reason will the club be debt free or still have the £3m debt hanging over them. The ownership of the training ground is another interesting one as if the Al-Q's are buying it personally then the cost etc is their concern, however, if the club itself is buying it then that's more debts and running costs the club have to incur. Personally I think it's a load of BS LJ was brought in as MT's replacement as he's spent most of his time played on the right wing and wasn't even making the squad before Christmas, if he really was being lined up as MT's replacement why wasn't he replacing him when ever he was subbed off? Can anyone tell me if LJ was signed before MT signed? Wondering if he was brought in as a replacement and then MT signing pushed him out of the team?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2017 22:24:16 GMT
Ah another one who believes a stadium should be built under the plans of the previous chairman, very entertaining indeed. No I just don't believe all the hype about our current owners and board. Look what has happened at Blackburn, Forrest , Charlton. I could go on naming clubs with foreign investment who came in promising the world and end up in a bigger mess than when they started. I'm not saying that will happen but Mr Hamers speech on the radio hardly did the club any justice or himself. I also would like a stadium to be built but I'll believe it when I am inside it and not before. Thats fair enough and your opinion, i dont believe in hype but believe that waq gave his statement almost a year ago and has since made more progress to make our club more professional than ever before, IMO his plan to build the club is working well and progress off the pitch is something ive not witnessed in 30 years. All about opinions i suppose.
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Post by amgas on Feb 2, 2017 22:29:46 GMT
Yes as I remember James signed before Taylor re-signed.
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Post by toddy1953 on Feb 2, 2017 22:37:43 GMT
Thanks toddy for that. I knew they had been taken over giving an appearance that problems were solved before reading that things weren't quite as clear cut as that. Thanks for filling in the blanks. TBH I thought they'd brought in more so perhaps not so strong as before? As you say better to do it our way. We might not be perfect but progress is being made. UTG! They are also meetin Macron to discuss the stadium naming rights too. A real mess! It goes to show they are still paying for club mis management from their Prem days, despite getting £150m debt written off. Whatever we do it has to be sustainable, I am sure we have good owners that will progress us in a sustainable way & leave a legacy that our grandchildren can enjoy. UTG
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Post by readinggas on Feb 2, 2017 23:23:48 GMT
No I just don't believe all the hype about our current owners and board. Look what has happened at Blackburn, Forrest , Charlton. I could go on naming clubs with foreign investment who came in promising the world and end up in a bigger mess than when they started. Utterly fatuous comparisons - clubs where people turned up, promised the world, threw money about, oversaw a quick disntegration of team morale and sacked managers every 5 minutes. The opposite of WAQ, who clearly stated 'evolution not revolution' and in 11 months is delivering a lot of unsexy background improvements. DC is happy (and he isn't one to suffer in silence) and seems positive to be part of the project. The two seem to work together quite well as they want good quality at sensible prices and to make a house built with proper foundations. I think DC could be with us for quite some time in this situation.
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Post by paulpirate on Feb 2, 2017 23:43:59 GMT
Thanks toddy for that. I knew they had been taken over giving an appearance that problems were solved before reading that things weren't quite as clear cut as that. Thanks for filling in the blanks. TBH I thought they'd brought in more so perhaps not so strong as before? As you say better to do it our way. We might not be perfect but progress is being made. UTG! They are also meetin Macron to discuss the stadium naming rights too. A real mess! It goes to show they are still paying for club mis management from their Prem days, despite getting £150m debt written off. Whatever we do it has to be sustainable, I am sure we have good owners that will progress us in a sustainable way & leave a legacy that our grandchildren can enjoy. UTG balls to the grandchildren I've been waiting long enough myself 😂
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Post by alvestongas on Feb 3, 2017 7:27:58 GMT
I still cannot believe we never tried for Ollie Watkins, he has more potential than judas and would have been a quality addition. They want £2m for him and he wants to go to the Championship once he has helped them get promotion this season.
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Post by stevek192 on Feb 3, 2017 8:59:49 GMT
How on earth can a "small" club like Exeter hold out for huge fees on their players yet we can't?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 3, 2017 9:04:06 GMT
How on earth can a "small" club like Exeter hold out for huge fees on their players yet we can't? How do you know we cant? Only Taylor left, and that transfer is open to question.
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Post by grayraydon on Feb 3, 2017 9:08:52 GMT
are you really that thick or 4 years old - which ever it is you certainly don't understand business the debt WAS paid as confirmed at companies house - whoever paid it is now £3m worse off - that could be a holding company - why does that worry you? The shareholders will own the training ground - they also own the club why would the shareholders buy the training ground if they do not intend to build? UWE is ongoing until you hear otherwise Back up plan for MT was brought to the club 12 months ago - good forward planning You mention Mr Higgs and I note you are 'somersetgas' which is where Mr Higgs lives (when not in Italy) - neighbour? friend? is it you in disguise? could be as you don't have a handle on business The issue regarding the debt is an issue as if the Al-Q's decide to sell up for any reason will the club be debt free or still have the £3m debt hanging over them. The ownership of the training ground is another interesting one as if the Al-Q's are buying it personally then the cost etc is their concern, however, if the club itself is buying it then that's more debts and running costs the club have to incur. Personally I think it's a load of BS LJ was brought in as MT's replacement as he's spent most of his time played on the right wing and wasn't even making the squad before Christmas, if he really was being lined up as MT's replacement why wasn't he replacing him when ever he was subbed off? So you're saying that DC is lying? I know I thought that was why he was brought here originally, and then Judas resigned so was always going to be in front of him, as for Easter coming off the bench to replace Judas more than Luke, perhaps DC thought that he was a better option in those particular games for what was needed at those specific times? But no, you're probably right, you seem to know exactly what's going on in DC's head more than he does himself.
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Post by grayraydon on Feb 3, 2017 9:09:55 GMT
How on earth can a "small" club like Exeter hold out for huge fees on their players yet we can't? Which player has left that we haven't managed to hold on for a large fee in recent times that wasn't Judas who made sure he had a very low release clause in his contract?
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Post by gasandelectricity on Feb 3, 2017 9:12:08 GMT
How on earth can a "small" club like Exeter hold out for huge fees on their players yet we can't? One example of a sale of a key player since change of ownership and he only left because of a contractual clause that was the difference between the player signing and leaving on a free
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