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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 10, 2017 11:29:13 GMT
You can't really compare the two periods as they were so different but DC had the advantage of still having a core of 5/6K of fans following the club, GF virtually had half those fans at Twerton but got us a Div higher.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 10, 2017 11:47:36 GMT
I suppose it comes down to whether you think working with a non existent budget or non existent morale is the harder thing to do then?
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Post by mehewmagic on Feb 10, 2017 12:34:16 GMT
I suppose it comes down to whether you think working with a non existent budget or non existent morale is the harder thing to do then? Ask the wife
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2017 14:20:43 GMT
When you look at the stas 364 wins in 879 games at 41% plus win ratio is phenomenal and over 50% of his time as manager was spent in what is now the championship makes Bert Tann the only candidate to be our greatest ever manager and if it hadn't been for the season ending broken leg that Bradford got just over mid way through the season who is to say that he wouldn't have been the forst Bristol manager to have got his side into what is now the premiership.
In my humble opinion no contest
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2017 14:42:19 GMT
The Twerton years were tough and Gerry came close to getting us relegated at first but things got better as we know. What helped when in exile was the income from player sales.Penrice,Martyn,Holloway,Yates,Devon White,Stewart,Browning ,G Taylor Without those player sales the club probably wouldn't have survived.
I think people remember moments better rather than whole careers.The stats will show the best figures for careers but there are managers whose stats might not look fantastic but they did important things like Ian Atkins coming in a stopping the slide ,even if nobody liked the football.He did a very important job for the club as did john ward when he first returned.
In modern times for example Trollope/Lawrence delivered several of these . The FA cup run. Beating City in the area final of the johnstones trophy. The millennium stadium final. The end of season run of results in 2007. The playoff high scoring games against Lincoln City The playoff final and Walkers world class finishes and THAT Igoe goal.
Joe Jordan...what ! you say...him standing at the away end at twerton facing the fans trying to calm them down being spat at and sworn at,hordings being torn down,fires attempted at being lit ...bearing in mind they were going to be promoted [but had lost 3-0 to rovers to probably lose the title to us] Showed what fans they were, but more so the character of JJ .Respect him for that.
DC will become the greatest manager in BRFC history.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2017 14:52:13 GMT
Just to add to thatboth Joe Jordan and Rob Newman went over to the city fans at different areas and told them in no uncertain terms they were a disgrace to the club and regardless of their actions the game would be finished if they had to stay until midnight.2 very classy and honest people who deserve respect from all supporters
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Post by Colyton Gas on Feb 10, 2017 15:35:20 GMT
![](//storage.proboards.com/5848383/thumbnailer/RYvoKBFMNzJrJKMUyDaI.png) Talking of managers,was most impressed with Keith Curle on a TV Panel last week.Doing a great job at Carlisle.Ex Gas and hope they get promoted.Enjoyed our visit there last season.He's turned down an offer from a higher division club he said ,'As Iv'e got job to do here'.Spoke with authority. Solid reliable type who I'd love if DC goes to Barcelona!!!
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Feb 10, 2017 15:48:34 GMT
Marcus Bignot, another ex-Gas who looks like he knows his way around the Manager's Office.
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Post by santorini on Feb 10, 2017 15:52:29 GMT
Having seen all the managers since WW2 its a very close race to judge.
Some points. In BT's days if you ended up in bottom spot you could apply for re-election in place of relegation,so BT and Bill Dodgin never really had that threat hanging over them as most clubs successfully re-applied.On the other hand only 1 team was promoted in their day,so it should be easier to be promoted now with 2 from the National and 4 from league 2. So many factors can and could be used in order to make this judgement that I feel we need to assume we have a level playing field if we are to get close to a fairly accurate result.Also we could argue that DC should not be included until the end of his tenure. (but that would alter the original question). The game is now far more professional/ruthless/cynical (Taylor)/International (agents a cancer) than ever before so my maths equation is to, divide their succes by the timescale in the job then,add the speed of the fanbase recovery and then see what it equals.
I get more than 1 answer,but-----DC wins every time.
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Post by midlandgas213 on Feb 10, 2017 16:34:46 GMT
Well thinking more about this it is actually me I have never lost a game of Subutteo whilst playing in Rovers colours in fact I have a 100 % record even in FA Cup League cup and all European Competitions
Beat that if you can LOL
see you at the MEM Tomorrow
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 10, 2017 17:23:04 GMT
The Twerton years were tough and Gerry came close to getting us relegated at first but things got better as we know. What helped when in exile was the income from player sales.Penrice,Martyn,Holloway,Yates,Devon White,Stewart,Browning ,G Taylor Without those player sales the club probably wouldn't have survived. I think people remember moments better rather than whole careers.The stats will show the best figures for careers but there are managers whose stats might not look fantastic but they did important things like Ian Atkins coming in a stopping the slide ,even if nobody liked the football.He did a very important job for the club as did john ward when he first returned. In modern times for example Trollope/Lawrence delivered several of these . The FA cup run. Beating City in the area final of the johnstones trophy. The millennium stadium final. The end of season run of results in 2007. The playoff high scoring games against Lincoln City The playoff final and Walkers world class finishes and THAT Igoe goal. Joe Jordan...what ! you say...him standing at the away end at twerton facing the fans trying to calm them down being spat at and sworn at,hordings being torn down,fires attempted at being lit ...bearing in mind they were going to be promoted [but had lost 3-0 to rovers to probably lose the title to us] Showed what fans they were, but more so the character of JJ .Respect him for that. DC will become the greatest manager in BRFC history. Good post mmm. You're right it's more about emotions and great moments than pure stars. Good points made. UTG!
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Post by garygas on Feb 10, 2017 17:42:39 GMT
I guess you weren't around during the Twerton years, when you look back it's remarkable the club survived that period let alone got promoted to the old Div 1. Nope, I started watching at Twerton but I missed the Francis years. I was around during the twerton years and stand by my post . What God did was amazing and maybe the passage of time has taken the gloss of what was achieved but the promotion back to the football league at the first attempt was massive especially with the Sainsbury's court cases being lost. I think the club was in as much danger as in the dark days of twerton park.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2017 17:49:32 GMT
When you look at the stas 364 wins in 879 games at 41% plus win ratio is phenomenal and over 50% of his time as manager was spent in what is now the championship makes Bert Tann the only candidate to be our greatest ever manager and if it hadn't been for the season ending broken leg that Bradford got just over mid way through the season who is to say that he wouldn't have been the forst Bristol manager to have got his side into what is now the premiership. In my humble opinion no contest I do think tann was helped by the maximum wage rule as many of the best players would otherwise have moved on and up but you cant argue with his record at the club and the obvious fact that the rovers team of the 1950"s was the best in the clubs history.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2017 17:53:43 GMT
Ian Holloway has to get special credit; the resale value of the players he brought in was incredible and made a lot of money for the club.
Its a shame he was expected to do this every year after being forced to sell his best players.
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Post by Fat Albert on Feb 10, 2017 19:54:51 GMT
Although not our best ever manager when Ollie was in charge the year that never was we were absolutely destroying teams and it was the only time I can remember turning up thinking we would win every game. That season we beat The likes of Burnley, Sheffield Utd and Reading away. Great times... until we imploded with 10 games to go!...not so great times!
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Post by Gasshole on Feb 10, 2017 20:01:43 GMT
Bert Tann that team in the 50's was special.. 18 years at the helm, incredible really. Bert came around my Mums house in Banjo Island to sign up her brother. DC comes in at # 2, he is making tremendous progress . We also need to recognise his loyalty . ![](//storage.proboards.com/5848383/thumbnailer/GzRAdFbebLXTzPHyDdPY.png) DC = Dead Calm
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Post by Colyton Gas on Feb 10, 2017 20:04:56 GMT
Well thinking more about this it is actually me I have never lost a game of Subutteo whilst playing in Rovers colours in fact I have a 100 % record even in FA Cup League cup and all European Competitions Beat that if you can LOL see you at the MEM Tomorrow UTG Group of Gasheads met up earlier in Newport(Shropshire) and toasted your good health mate.
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Post by aghast on Feb 10, 2017 20:52:22 GMT
It has to be Bert Tann for me. He got us to the Championship, as we now know it, for the first time in our history, and kept us there for 9 years, with two 6th placed finishes, which would have meant the playoffs twice nowadays.
I admit I never saw a Tann-managed side, but the stats speak for themselves.
In hot pursuit is DC for saving us from oblivion and driving us on far further than we ever could have imagined. He may yet overtake Bert.
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Post by Somersetgas on Feb 10, 2017 21:39:57 GMT
In my time without a doubt Gerry Francis first time around, fantastic team spirit and something really special about his teams. Shame it went so wrong second time around Never did get the whole John Ward thing First time, never felt excited watching his teams or games like I did under Francis. Always had a soft spot for Dennis Rofe and his teams although not successful.
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Post by socrates on Feb 10, 2017 21:46:28 GMT
My first years supporting were Gerry Francis first spell and to be honest it's hard to pick between him and DC but I'd definitely have those two at the top and third would be Trolls and Lennie not just Trolls. Obviously there are other managers before those that deserve a mention but because they were before my time I can't really comment on them because I wasn't there. One things for sure i wouldn't have any other manager over Clarke. He is to us what Eddie Howe is to Bournemouth.
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