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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 15:15:36 GMT
You're completely missing my point re. Sweeney. I'm not saying older means better, I'm saying at that age they are likely to still be improving. As Sweeney is already bossing this level at the age of 19, Stoke will be hoping that he develops into a Premiership player. Bear in mind as well that he has only done it for 10 or so games, he's yet to have a bad run of form which will come at some point in his career. So here is the million dollar dilemma for DC. Does he think Ellis will develop into a Championship player? In my humble opinion, he's struggling to develop into a Div 1 player. How many teams in the top ten of Div 1 do you think would play Ellis in their teams? I would imagine DC's patience is being stretched - EH struggled to be a Division 2 player last season let alone a potential Championship player. Is there a transfer value - I doubt it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 15:29:55 GMT
From what I hear Ellis will leave in the summer,his own choice,his agent thinks he would be better off moving away from Bristol,and I must admit after reading the comments on here I agree with him
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Post by albaron on Mar 14, 2017 15:52:34 GMT
The trouble with Ellis he is not consistant enough ( well consistantly good ). He can be brilliant ( Northampton) but mostly he shows a lack of knowledge to be a footballer. Problem is do we have the resources to keep him hoping one day he may click. I hope we do but use him as an impact player at best. Still think we need 2 to 3 new forwards/strikers.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 15:55:07 GMT
That statement shows the difference in understanding between those who pay to watch and those who are paid
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 14, 2017 15:56:51 GMT
That statement shows the difference in understanding between those who pay to watch and those who are paid But that's what's frustrating about him. He does look good enough to me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 16:04:27 GMT
Just because he doesn't run around all over the pitch does not mean he isn't trying,just doing what the manager wants him to do not what the fans want.As was once said every team needs pianists and piano pushers,i feel we have enough piano pushers in the side and apart from Lines and Montano and possibly Clarke we have few pianists.Its getting the balance right,but unfortunately for Harrison every move,decision either on or off the pitch is analysed on forums to the nth degree,as has happened to numerous players over the years,Josh Lowe,Steve Phillips,Lewis Haldane to name but a few and in the end the players left the club,which is pretty odds on what Harrison will do in the summer
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Post by gasforeverman on Mar 14, 2017 16:18:11 GMT
I think ellis needs a fresh start somewhere new. He's not developing as we all hoped and his career is reaching the stage where he cld progress and reach his potential or end up playing nonleague. A big summer ahead for him
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 16:18:50 GMT
Hope we keep Ellis fantastic talent and another option up front but I think a loan move to a lower league might do him some good
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 16:31:34 GMT
All ive seen is a decent league 1 striker this season,hes not billy sharp or matty taylor but hes decent and the manager obviously rates him. It would cost serious money to get a striker like taylor or sharp so the manager has to decide if he can get better than ellis or rory if serious money isnt available?
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Mar 14, 2017 16:42:33 GMT
You're completely missing my point re. Sweeney. I'm not saying older means better, I'm saying at that age they are likely to still be improving. As Sweeney is already bossing this level at the age of 19, Stoke will be hoping that he develops into a Premiership player. Bear in mind as well that he has only done it for 10 or so games, he's yet to have a bad run of form which will come at some point in his career. So here is the million dollar dilemma for DC. Does he think Ellis will develop into a Championship player? In my humble opinion, he's struggling to develop into a Div 1 player. How many teams in the top ten of Div 1 do you think would play Ellis in their teams? You could argue that up until about 3 months ago, Ollie Clarke (1 year older) wouldn't have got into any top ten teams in division 2, let alone division 1. I don't understand the need to crucify Ellis. We all know he's talented. We all know he's frustrating. We all know he's still learning. Also, it's not as if he hasn't made vital contributions to our progress already. Patience will be richly rewarded, in my opinion.
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Post by CrispPusher on Mar 14, 2017 16:54:13 GMT
Just because he doesn't run around all over the pitch does not mean he isn't trying, just doing what the manager wants him to do not what the fans want.As was once said every team needs pianists and piano pushers,i feel we have enough piano pushers in the side and apart from Lines and Montano and possibly Clarke we have few pianists.Its getting the balance right,but unfortunately for Harrison every move,decision either on or off the pitch is analysed on forums to the nth degree,as has happened to numerous players over the years,Josh Lowe,Steve Phillips,Lewis Haldane to name but a few and in the end the players left the club,which is pretty odds on what Harrison will do in the summer Are you suggesting Darrell Clarke instructed Harrison, a striker, not to score, in all but 4 league matches this season?
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Post by wiaww on Mar 14, 2017 16:56:47 GMT
Just because he doesn't run around all over the pitch does not mean he isn't trying, just doing what the manager wants him to do not what the fans want.As was once said every team needs pianists and piano pushers,i feel we have enough piano pushers in the side and apart from Lines and Montano and possibly Clarke we have few pianists.Its getting the balance right,but unfortunately for Harrison every move,decision either on or off the pitch is analysed on forums to the nth degree,as has happened to numerous players over the years,Josh Lowe,Steve Phillips,Lewis Haldane to name but a few and in the end the players left the club,which is pretty odds on what Harrison will do in the summer Are you suggesting Darrell Clarke instructed Harrison, a striker, not to score, in all but 4 league matches this season?
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Post by peterparker on Mar 14, 2017 17:14:32 GMT
Just because he doesn't run around all over the pitch does not mean he isn't trying, just doing what the manager wants him to do not what the fans want.As was once said every team needs pianists and piano pushers,i feel we have enough piano pushers in the side and apart from Lines and Montano and possibly Clarke we have few pianists.Its getting the balance right,but unfortunately for Harrison every move,decision either on or off the pitch is analysed on forums to the nth degree,as has happened to numerous players over the years,Josh Lowe,Steve Phillips,Lewis Haldane to name but a few and in the end the players left the club,which is pretty odds on what Harrison will do in the summer Are you suggesting Darrell Clarke instructed Harrison, a striker, not to score, in all but 4 league matches this season? You know that's not what he means. I am sure DC would have loved him to score 15 or 20 goals
lets be fair here. Taylor was the main man. If |Ellis was playing with him he was often used as the targetman type trying to bring others into the game. He probably should have scored more, but he was/is doing a role for the team as much as anything else.
Personally I would like to see what Ellis has if he was considered the main man. He has goals in him, he has proven that with some of his finishing.
Luke James has worked hard but only recently looked like he might get close to scoring.
We all want Harrison to be better, but what is a decent league one striker without being too good that someone else wants him higher up the food chain and then he is gone. Sometimes it's good to have someone to grow with the club as most of the squad seem to have.
Maybe Ellis' time will be up in the summer. Who knows, but I do wonder what people realistically expect him to be replaced with
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 14, 2017 17:25:39 GMT
I think the problem for Ellis is that the team/club are outstripping him, in that the team/club cannot afford to wait for him 'to develop'. Everything about the club is moving forward at a pretty fair old rate of knots. With the snake gone, now is the time he should be stepping up. That is so true. The quicker a club grows the harder it is for the youth players to step up to the team. I think Ellis has a better chance because we know what he can do, it's finding the consistency that he finds more difficult. There was a stat last week about Bournemouth that when Cargill came on as a sub for Mings in the 1-1 draw at Man U he was the first player who had come through the youth ranks to play in the PL for them. And I think you won't see too many more in the foreseeable future. I think Cargill played against us at the Mem in October for Gillingham. We've had TL, OC, CL, EH who have established themselves as first team players which is ok. But if we've only got 4 coming through at this level you can imagine how harder it will become at this League 1 or higher level. So were we to go up it would become harder for Ellis, although you never know he might take to a higher level better than he did to this level. OC Has done something similar by excelling in this league since Christmas after question marks over him last season In League 2. Whatever our views Ellis has scored some vital goals in our recent history and DC must rate him and that's good enough for me, I think! UTG!
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Post by You can call me Al. on Mar 14, 2017 17:27:00 GMT
I'll leave his appraisal to the man our fan's worship/respect most.
DC: "When Ellis works hard and listens he gets his rewards. He is showing a lot more maturity these days and is having a really solid season. We could do with a few more goals from him but he has been playing really well. He is such a powerful player, who is a real threat on his day and I think the penny has started to drop with him over the last 18 months or so."
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Post by Blackbeard on Mar 14, 2017 17:37:57 GMT
Let's put this in perspective
I'm no great fan of Ellis and I'd rather he scored one goal in each of four games than four in one then go missing for a month
He's not the best but we have a bit to be grateful for, so we should support him when he's on the pitch which thankfully isn't too often lately
And if we are going to talk about someone being given too many chances I'd opine that the "crimes" of Ellis Harrison pale against someone like Nile Ranger
He's gas. For better or worse, he might yet knock in the goal that gets us in the playoffs ?
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 14, 2017 17:40:13 GMT
Blimey. 'He's better than Nile Ranger' isn't exactly the highest bar.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 14, 2017 18:11:15 GMT
From what I hear Ellis will leave in the summer, his own choice,his agent thinks he would be better off moving away from Bristol,and I must admit after reading the comments on here I agree with him So which is it then, EH's own choice or his agent thinks he'd be better off moving away didn't Shaqs Hunter also think he could do better elsewhere? Let's be honest who's going to sign him, probably a Div 2 side at best, if so, is he really going to improve himself leaving Rovers? Although if he does intend moving I guess the last thing he wants now is to be offered a contract by the club or we could then demand a transfer fee, perhaps that explains why he's been so poor post Northampton?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 18:26:57 GMT
Let's put this in perspective I'm no great fan of Ellis and I'd rather he scored one goal in each of four games than four in one then go missing for a month He's not the best but we have a bit to be grateful for, so we should support him when he's on the pitch which thankfully isn't too often lately And if we are going to talk about someone being given too many chances I'd opine that the "crimes" of Ellis Harrison pale against someone like Nile Ranger He's gas. For better or worse, he might yet knock in the goal that gets us in the playoffs ? he has already scored the vital goal in the play off final. Sammy Igoes name is constantly banded about on here as being "massive" or "important" but how massive or important was that volley that hit the roof of the net two years ago? The clubs future was at stake. Anyway once a scapegoat always a scapegoat
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 14, 2017 18:48:44 GMT
From what I hear Ellis will leave in the summer, his own choice,his agent thinks he would be better off moving away from Bristol,and I must admit after reading the comments on here I agree with him So which is it then, EH's own choice or his agent thinks he'd be better off moving away didn't Shaqs Hunter also think he could do better elsewhere? ... Alfie Santos has managed to get into the Eastleigh side.
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