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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Apr 8, 2017 17:57:08 GMT
One interesting thing was mentioned by MS regarding loan players. Apparently some loan players we have/have had are on a loan agreement whereby provided they play, we do not pay their wages. We only pay any wages if they do not play. I've never heard that before. No wonder Roos kept getting games.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Apr 8, 2017 17:57:56 GMT
One interesting thing was mentioned by MS regarding loan players. Apparently some loan players we have/have had are on a loan agreement whereby provided they play, we do not pay their wages. We only pay any wages if they do not play. I've never heard that before. I remember Harry Redknapp talking about this when he was The QPR Manager. He also said that if a player reaches a certain number of games The parent club paid extra payments to the club as well
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Post by peterparker on Apr 8, 2017 17:59:38 GMT
One interesting thing was mentioned by MS regarding loan players. Apparently some loan players we have/have had are on a loan agreement whereby provided they play, we do not pay their wages. We only pay any wages if they do not play. I've never heard that before. Odd, but i guess it is an incentive for a club to play a (most likely) young loanee for them to improve. If you dont play them than the parent clubs player isnt umproving and arent getting a benefit that way so you compensate them by paying wages i guess
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Post by oldgas on Apr 8, 2017 18:44:39 GMT
Any chance of your resume Severncider, rather than this endless speculation? There are a lot more important things in my life than BRFC to be honest.
Still, here goes. The delay has been caused by me remembering what was said at the open meeting and what was said to me in private conversations with the two guests.
The AGM was attended by about 45 Gasheads with the principle guests, Steve Hamer and Marcus Stewart. Ken Masters and Jim Chappell were also in attendance.
The first question was "Where's my stadium?". SH went into a long answer covering most aspects of UWE since the takeover. As he pointed out, they have only owned the club for 14 months and they immediately found that the deal proposed between the previous owners and UWE did not meet the expectations/requirements of the new owners, so there clearly had to be a fundamental adjustment of what the new owners wanted/were prepared to accept. During the last three months I have heard how close we were to a deal and how far away we still were. It now appears that UWE clearly believed that it was necessary for UWE to be sold to complete the build, whereas SH confirmed that the build was NOT dependent on the sale of The Mem. Mention was made of a Bond being required to provide security for UWE that the stadium would be built. As I pointed out, that was little difference between us and Sainsbury whereby the £30m+ Sainsbury were going to pay us being placed in an Escrow Account. My interpretation of what SH said was that the provision off a Bond would not be a problem. So how close are we? SH did say that we were nearer than we were 2/3 months ago and he is still hopeful that a deal can be completed by August. Any rumours you hear from Keith Chimp etc are exactly that, wild speculation. In my humble opinion this will go to the wire, although an announcement at the BRFC AGM, provisionally made for 2nd May would be a great bonus.
The next question, from me, was regarding what we need to do over the next three months to place us in a position to really have a go for promotion next season. MS jumped in to reply and said it was all about recruitment of the right type of players. SH said that there had been a recent discussion with DC about were we need to go regarding this. MS said we need to improve on the type of player we bring in, indicating players need to be comfortable playing at the next level. MS referred to the players we employed when he re-joined, a bunch of ******** who were only there for their pensions. SH said funds would be available, but how much that is we will never know.
Questions were asked about Like James and Ellis Harrison. MS gave an insight on both players. As regards Luke James, he said we are asking LJ to play a different roll up front as opposed to what he has previously played in a deeper position. MS felt sure he will adjust to the role. Regarding Ellis, he said he is a really great bloke on and off the pitch but Ellis has still not mastered the knack of how to "score goals" on a consistent basis. As he is under 24, he is a BRFC player even if his contract expires in June.
The only question on the Training Ground was when would it be functional. SH immediately said the 30th June, which I assume he meant next year before all the facilities were available to all levels of BRFC. MS did add that we now provide cooked hot meals for players at the training ground at lunchtime as he feels that this is important for the players rather than just go home. This apparently is to be extended to breakfast each day of training.
Regarding the current finances. The Accounts for 2015/16 will be available in the next few days and I have no doubt they will show a far worse position than the 2014/15 accounts as this will cover eight months of the old owners and just four months of the new owners. The current finances, in my opinion could be even worse, as despite the increase in attendances and the Chelsea game, we have greatly expanded the Academy, Medical and Media departments and substantial monies have been paid out on improvements in various areas and SH has admitted that estimates for improvement works have surprised him.
There were many other questions but to be honest I did not take notes but if I remember those I will add to this.
I had a good feeling for the future of BRFC at the end of this meeting and am certainly glad that we have new owners that are capable of progressing this club through evolution and not revolution or throwing £5m/£10m into the club with sustainability.
I appreciate that SS. The only reason I asked for the update was because you said you would post an update yesterday. I just wanted to know what the club reps said at the meeting, rather than wade through countless pages of guesswork and speculation. thanks for posting. It seems you weren't really told much at all.
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Post by aghast on Apr 8, 2017 19:51:02 GMT
The title of this thread now makes no sense.
And there is a rogue capital L in last.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2017 19:56:45 GMT
Some reporting on the appreciation and passionate gasheads Facebook pages big positive uwe news coming next week. The Chimp (as much as he can believed!) has just tweeted a deal has been done. So, 32 pages later....
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Post by Severncider on Apr 8, 2017 22:42:44 GMT
Another thing.
SH mentioned the Police bill for the Millwall match. He indicated that it will be £20k or that was the figure I think he said.
It is treated as high category game and we have to pay no matter weather the Police are inside or outside the ground.
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Post by yattongas on Apr 8, 2017 22:50:12 GMT
Another thing. SH mentioned the Police bill for the Millwall match. He indicated that it will be £20k or that was the figure I think he said. It is treated as high category game and we have to pay no matter weather the Police are inside or outside the ground. Bargain if they stop any trouble. It should def be treated as a high category game...... It could be bloody tinder box !
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 7:20:46 GMT
Any chance of your resume Severncider, rather than this endless speculation? There are a lot more important things in my life than BRFC to be honest.
Still, here goes. The delay has been caused by me remembering what was said at the open meeting and what was said to me in private conversations with the two guests.
The AGM was attended by about 45 Gasheads with the principle guests, Steve Hamer and Marcus Stewart. Ken Masters and Jim Chappell were also in attendance.
The first question was "Where's my stadium?". SH went into a long answer covering most aspects of UWE since the takeover. As he pointed out, they have only owned the club for 14 months and they immediately found that the deal proposed between the previous owners and UWE did not meet the expectations/requirements of the new owners, so there clearly had to be a fundamental adjustment of what the new owners wanted/were prepared to accept. During the last three months I have heard how close we were to a deal and how far away we still were. It now appears that UWE clearly believed that it was necessary for UWE to be sold to complete the build, whereas SH confirmed that the build was NOT dependent on the sale of The Mem. Mention was made of a Bond being required to provide security for UWE that the stadium would be built. As I pointed out, that was little difference between us and Sainsbury whereby the £30m+ Sainsbury were going to pay us being placed in an Escrow Account. My interpretation of what SH said was that the provision off a Bond would not be a problem. So how close are we? SH did say that we were nearer than we were 2/3 months ago and he is still hopeful that a deal can be completed by August. Any rumours you hear from Keith Chimp etc are exactly that, wild speculation. In my humble opinion this will go to the wire, although an announcement at the BRFC AGM, provisionally made for 2nd May would be a great bonus.
The next question, from me, was regarding what we need to do over the next three months to place us in a position to really have a go for promotion next season. MS jumped in to reply and said it was all about recruitment of the right type of players. SH said that there had been a recent discussion with DC about were we need to go regarding this. MS said we need to improve on the type of player we bring in, indicating players need to be comfortable playing at the next level. MS referred to the players we employed when he re-joined, a bunch of ******** who were only there for their pensions. SH said funds would be available, but how much that is we will never know.
Questions were asked about Like James and Ellis Harrison. MS gave an insight on both players. As regards Luke James, he said we are asking LJ to play a different roll up front as opposed to what he has previously played in a deeper position. MS felt sure he will adjust to the role. Regarding Ellis, he said he is a really great bloke on and off the pitch but Ellis has still not mastered the knack of how to "score goals" on a consistent basis. As he is under 24, he is a BRFC player even if his contract expires in June.
The only question on the Training Ground was when would it be functional. SH immediately said the 30th June, which I assume he meant next year before all the facilities were available to all levels of BRFC. MS did add that we now provide cooked hot meals for players at the training ground at lunchtime as he feels that this is important for the players rather than just go home. This apparently is to be extended to breakfast each day of training.
Regarding the current finances. The Accounts for 2015/16 will be available in the next few days and I have no doubt they will show a far worse position than the 2014/15 accounts as this will cover eight months of the old owners and just four months of the new owners. The current finances, in my opinion could be even worse, as despite the increase in attendances and the Chelsea game, we have greatly expanded the Academy, Medical and Media departments and substantial monies have been paid out on improvements in various areas and SH has admitted that estimates for improvement works have surprised him.
There were many other questions but to be honest I did not take notes but if I remember those I will add to this.
I had a good feeling for the future of BRFC at the end of this meeting and am certainly glad that we have new owners that are capable of progressing this club through evolution and not revolution or throwing £5m/£10m into the club with sustainability.
Blimey he has only been here training with us for pretty much a whole season. Maybe he should go to the gym a bit more to beef up.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Apr 9, 2017 7:46:00 GMT
Another thing. SH mentioned the Police bill for the Millwall match. He indicated that it will be £20k or that was the figure I think he said. It is treated as high category game and we have to pay no matter weather the Police are inside or outside the ground. Bargain if they stop any trouble. It should def be treated as a high category game...... It could be bloody tinder box ! The millwall fans should be the ones made to pay extra and suffer the consequences for behaving like cavemen.
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Post by tommym9 on Apr 9, 2017 15:48:21 GMT
Bargain if they stop any trouble. It should def be treated as a high category game...... It could be bloody tinder box ! The millwall fans should be the ones made to pay extra and suffer the consequences for behaving like cavemen. We've got a few cavemen of our own unfortunately
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Apr 9, 2017 15:57:32 GMT
The millwall fans should be the ones made to pay extra and suffer the consequences for behaving like cavemen. We've got a few cavemen of our own unfortunately All our caveman crawl out of the caves for these sort of games too, all Stone Islanded up with cheap lager in hand
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Post by gasandelectricity on Apr 9, 2017 16:15:36 GMT
Great opportunity to identify them and get them banned then!
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Post by axegas on Apr 9, 2017 16:23:17 GMT
Great opportunity to identify them and get them banned then! Have undercover police acting as milwall fans with reinforcements ready to seal off the escape routes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 16:33:34 GMT
We've got a few cavemen of our own unfortunately All our caveman crawl out of the caves for these sort of games too, all Stone Islanded up with cheap lager in hand Oh, is that not a good thing then?
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Post by gregsy on Apr 9, 2017 16:35:07 GMT
and i don't understand much of this one either....
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Post by yategas78 on Apr 9, 2017 16:39:13 GMT
Yeah too right one question is the UWE stadium happening or what!!
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Post by Marshy on Apr 9, 2017 16:59:32 GMT
Yeah too right one question is the UWE stadium happening or what!! Can you wait until tomorrow?
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Post by gasandelectricity on Apr 9, 2017 17:49:10 GMT
Yeah too right one question is the UWE stadium happening or what!! Can you wait until tomorrow? Is tomorrow the day?
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Post by Colyton Gas on Apr 9, 2017 17:55:29 GMT
Great opportunity to identify them and get them banned then! Plans are well advanced to sort our troublemakers out.
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