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Post by womble on Aug 27, 2014 14:02:20 GMT
The point of my innitial post is if we cant get the uwe find a spot for a cheaper gound. Not trying to be simplistic. You cant post anytjing on this forum without getting torn apart I agree. Simplistic or not, its worth discussing. What are our options now? I've said it before, but with the continuing boom in student housing provision, the original Mem redevelopment plan, or something very similar, is a realistic alternative.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 14:28:02 GMT
I agree. Simplistic or not, its worth discussing. What are our options now? I've said it before, but with the continuing boom in student housing provision, the original Mem redevelopment plan, or something very similar, is a realistic alternative. I think you'll find that a lot more student flats have been built and are being built now by the old ice rink and elsewhere. It's not as buoyant a market now.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 14:34:38 GMT
I've said it before, but with the continuing boom in student housing provision, the original Mem redevelopment plan, or something very similar, is a realistic alternative. I think you'll find that a lot more student flats have been built and are being built now by the old ice rink and elsewhere. It's not as buoyant a market now.Around the Around the Centre aswell. There are always rooms available around the Clifton Triangle. The fact that they are now making a habit of converting old office blocks into student accom means that there may not be a demand for new build accom in BS7 at all?
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Post by womble on Aug 27, 2014 15:59:06 GMT
I think you'll find that a lot more student flats have been built and are being built now by the old ice rink and elsewhere. It's not as buoyant a market now.Around the Around the Centre aswell. There are always rooms available around the Clifton Triangle. The fact that they are now making a habit of converting old office blocks into student accom means that there may not be a demand for new build accom in BS7 at all? There are around 50,000 students in Bristol, over half of those at UWE. While there is indeed considerable conversion of old office blocks and some new builds (e.g. the old magistrates courts) in the centre, the majority of these are aimed at the University of Bristol students who are then a few hundred metres from the top of Park St.
With UWE concentrating all its activities into Bower Ashton and Frenchay, there may well still be latent demand for UWE students. It was UWE after all we were in contact with about the original student flat scheme at the Mem which eventually led to their invite to site our stadium on some of their unallocated land. A UWE student living in Horfield has all the facilities of Gloucester Rd on their doorstep and a short bus ride to study.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 16:01:46 GMT
Around the Centre aswell. There are always rooms available around the Clifton Triangle. The fact that they are now making a habit of converting old office blocks into student accom means that there may not be a demand for new build accom in BS7 at all? There are around 50,000 students in Bristol, over half of those at UWE. While there is indeed considerable conversion of old office blocks and some new builds (e.g. the old magistrates courts) in the centre, the majority of these are aimed at the University of Bristol students who are then a few hundred metres from the top of Park St.
With UWE concentrating all its activities into Bower Ashton and Frenchay, there may well still be latent demand for UWE students. It was UWE after all we were in contact with about the original student flat scheme at the Mem which eventually led to their invite to site our stadium on some of their unallocated land. A UWE student living in Horfield has all the facilities of Gloucester Rd on their doorstep and a short bus ride to study.
Yeah sure. Ill admit, I don't know the figures into student accom in Bristol at all. I have just noticed a shed load of new apartments springing up all round the centre. UWE has it's own accom on site though eh?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 16:03:49 GMT
It does, but it's not that much and not brilliantly situated really.
Makes you wonder if UWE could acquire the mem land for student housing and still build a smaller ground?
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Post by stevek192 on Aug 27, 2014 16:05:41 GMT
Lets be honest to see anything in the lifetime of a lot of fans it has to be UWE. Remember the look for a ground started in 1986!! It has cost us a lot of money to get to this stage through god knows how many proposals Emersham Green,Avonmouth etc etc. It will be the end of a new ground if something can't be sorted out from this.So frustrating that if the club had the investors the ground could have been built without relying on the sale of the Mem. We just can't let this opportunity go.
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Post by womble on Aug 27, 2014 16:06:34 GMT
There are around 50,000 students in Bristol, over half of those at UWE. While there is indeed considerable conversion of old office blocks and some new builds (e.g. the old magistrates courts) in the centre, the majority of these are aimed at the University of Bristol students who are then a few hundred metres from the top of Park St.
With UWE concentrating all its activities into Bower Ashton and Frenchay, there may well still be latent demand for UWE students. It was UWE after all we were in contact with about the original student flat scheme at the Mem which eventually led to their invite to site our stadium on some of their unallocated land. A UWE student living in Horfield has all the facilities of Gloucester Rd on their doorstep and a short bus ride to study.
Yeah sure. Ill admit, I don't know the figures into student accom in Bristol at all. I have just noticed a shed load of new apartments springing up all round the centre. UWE has it's own accom on site though eh? Yes you are quite right, it does. The University of Bristol also has its own halls of residence, but neither uni has anywhere near enough accommodation of its own to house all the students who require it. Somewhat depressingly, if the UWE stadium fell through I suppose UWE could use the land to build more accommodation.
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Post by socrates on Aug 27, 2014 18:04:50 GMT
Surely the land is what costs the money?? If Sainsburys are allowed to pull out we can sell the mem to someone else. We might get less money, however, surely we can find new investors to make up the difference. Higgs might have a plan B, but can't talk about it. Don't forget the whole thing was planned without any of us knowing! Funny how know one moaned they were kept in the dark then. Sometimes things are planned better behind closed doors. We would probably get more money in the future rather than less. One thing you can be sure of is that land value increases over long term. It's the best long term investment out there. If it was worth 27m a couple of years ago it would be worth £30m + now. The cost of construction obviously increases too but I don't really see how the amount of money we would get as being that much if an issue it's more a case of who else wants to buy. The best think that coukd happen in my opinion is we get a big compensation and re - develop the Mem. I never really wanted to be rattling around in Higgs's vanity project anyway. in fact the thought of sitting in a quarter full soulless bowl watching non league football knowing that the main reason we are non league is the bloody stadium anyway makes my skin crawl, always has.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 19:18:02 GMT
Lol. How simple. Stop dreaming Dins, it doesn't help! Forest Green have built a stadium cheaply and took their old stands with them. Its a dream but its not impossible. If uwe does not happen there will be other options but they key is boardroom change. Dins, this sounds like something quite ground breaking. I'm a dreamer but even I wouldn't suggest this. You seem to be setting A ground breaking goal here. I know you are a fan of the method.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 19:40:30 GMT
Rich, i thought of you the first time i read it back :-) i think you have infiltrated my poor little mind :-)
Im a bit of a problem solver by nature by proffession etc and i always belive there are answers to problems.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 19:49:53 GMT
Rich, i thought of you the first time i read it back :-) i think you have infiltrated my poor little mind :-) Im a bit of a problem solver by nature by proffession etc and i always belive there are answers to problems. Dins, We certainly need answers to some problems. You might be just the man. Believing in some answers could be a skill we need right now.
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Post by gasincider on Aug 27, 2014 19:56:27 GMT
Just for the record, the clubs net position according to its own accounts last year was £2.5million in the red. That was with the Mem valued at £5.5 million. In other words we have at least £8million pounds of debts.
Pray tell, where does the money come from to build a new stadium?. The Mems value is based on what a builder would give for the site for house building. The re evaluation was done 18 months ago on that basis.
I don't think we have closed that gap since then, which is why we must sue the arses off Sainsburys. It really is sh*t or bust.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 20:07:32 GMT
Just for the record, the clubs net position according to its own accounts last year was £2.5million in the red. That was with the Mem valued at £5.5 million. In other words we have at least £8million pounds of debts. Pray tell, where does the money come from to build a new stadium?. The Mems value is based on what a builder would give for the site for house building. The re evaluation was done 18 months ago on that basis. I don't think we have closed that gap since then, which is why we must sue the arses off Sainsburys. It really is sh*t or bust. I think thats the value of the stadium as opposed To the land Thats my understanding. When we went to redevelop the mem it was being solely funded by the housing and hotel attached to it. They called it a £35m redevelopment People i have spoken to claim its worth £15m for housing but that was 4 years ago so more now
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 20:09:48 GMT
Also the stadium was valued at £4m in 1997
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 27, 2014 20:30:13 GMT
Just for the record, the clubs net position according to its own accounts last year was £2.5million in the red. That was with the Mem valued at £5.5 million. In other words we have at least £8million pounds of debts. Pray tell, where does the money come from to build a new stadium?. The Mems value is based on what a builder would give for the site for house building. The re evaluation was done 18 months ago on that basis. I don't think we have closed that gap since then, which is why we must sue the arses off Sainsburys. It really is sh*t or bust. I think thats the value of the stadium as opposed To the land Thats my understanding. When we went to redevelop the mem it was being solely funded by the housing and hotel attached to it. They called it a £35m redevelopment People i have spoken to claim its worth £15m for housing but that was 4 years ago so more now House prices have crashed and bounced back since then so £15m may still be a reasonable figure. The big question is whether our Directors will insist on having their loans paid off up front or are they prepared to wait? Also is a reduced UWE a possibility, or are Bath RFC interested in shared ownership, if so, either option could solve the land/planning issues. Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk
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