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Post by Icegas on May 20, 2017 23:33:23 GMT
Just finished work,sorry if it's be covered elsewhere but I just read on BBC that the crowd at Wembley for the league one playoff final today was only 53,320...
If so, that imho is shocking!
Ok wembley is expensive, Millwall have been there an number of times in recent years and Bradford is along way away.But lord... come on!😨
The Teds knocked our Non league final two years ago when the crowd was 47,000 odd.
That day we had just over 30/32k and Grimsby 13k - which I think is far more impressive that what was there today.
I believe we have far more potential than either of those two clubs playing today and both are seen as larger clubs then us.Bradford only get 17k at home a week due to cheap season tickets and that there is nothing else to do up in bradford.Today we would had taken 35 - 42k easy as we always have done apart from the conference final during our Wembley/Cardiff days out.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 6:25:55 GMT
Take a look at the other clubs Bradford compete with for support. Then take a look at the clubs Millwall compete with for support.
How have we got better potential than them btw? Nothing else to do in Bradford? Well there is the Bulls for a start...
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 6:28:40 GMT
Also, if we had a 20k stadium, how many fans would we get whilst in LG1? I don't think we'd get 17k, do you?
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 6:47:36 GMT
Also, if we had a 20k stadium, how many fans would we get whilst in LG1? I don't think we'd get 17k, do you? I guess we'd find out if our season ticket prices were as low as theirs (and we had the 20k seater stadium too obvs) |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 7:14:07 GMT
Also, if we had a 20k stadium, how many fans would we get whilst in LG1? I don't think we'd get 17k, do you? I guess we'd find out if our season ticket prices were as low as theirs (and we had the 20k seater stadium too obvs) It's not about finding out, it's about making statements and justifying them. What's the point in the OP saying they "only" get 17k? It's ridiculous without any tangible comparison to our situation. |
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Post by spiess1 on May 21, 2017 7:17:44 GMT
He meant, (I think) 'get 17000, only because......'.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 7:52:53 GMT
He meant, (I think) 'get 17000, only because......'. Even still, when you are within 30 miles of some of the biggest clubs in England enticing fans with reduced rates is a way to survive. 17k is a figure we haven't seen for over 30 years. Even the teds are happy with that sort of average with little competition. |
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Post by oldgas on May 21, 2017 8:22:28 GMT
If I were a Bradfordian? I'm don't think I would want to watch Leeds, either of the Sheffields or, God forgive, cross the Penines to watch a Lancashire team. After all, you didn't get Bristolians suddenly going over the bridge to watch Cardiff when they were in the Prem.
Bradford has about the same population as Bristol, but are a one team city since Park Avenue folded. I understand they sell ST's for around £100 which is a bargain. They also have a modern comfortable all seat stadium. Therefore, I would suggest that whilst 17000 is a decent average, in the circumstances it isn't remarkable. I reckon we could easily match that and we are in a two club city.
There is no doubt we would have had 40k plus at Wembley yesterday, absolutly no doubt. And Bradford isn't that my ch further from London, and they do have good road and rail links.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 8:36:09 GMT
Your kidding yourself if you don't think there are a healthy number of people in Bradford that wouldn't support Leeds, Weds, Man U. There are plenty in Bristol that follow the big teams!
As for Cardiff. That's not really a useful argument is it!
Please stop with the 40 thousand thing aswell. It was less than 30k for the biggest game in recent history.
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Post by xplosivgas on May 21, 2017 8:59:07 GMT
Must admit I was surprised at that attendance. I was expecting it to be around 65k, made up of 40k from Bradford and 25k Millwall.
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Post by axegas on May 21, 2017 8:59:38 GMT
Also, if we had a 20k stadium, how many fans would we get whilst in LG1? I don't think we'd get 17k, do you? Competing at the top end whilst giving away thousands of tickets like Bradford do and I think we might. |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 9:02:44 GMT
Also, if we had a 20k stadium, how many fans would we get whilst in LG1? I don't think we'd get 17k, do you? Competing at the top end whilst giving away thousands of tickets like Bradford do and I think we might. We have competed at the top end all season in the highest position for a decade. We give away loads of tickets, have little competition and rarely sell out. |
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Post by axegas on May 21, 2017 9:10:11 GMT
Competing at the top end whilst giving away thousands of tickets like Bradford do and I think we might. We have competed at the top end all season in the highest position for a decade. We give away loads of tickets, have little competition and rarely sell out. Sorry would have to disagree with that. We do not give away free tickets, yes we had the bring a mate in for free offer against Fleetwood but that's nowhere near the scale of Bradford who give away thousands of free games on a regular basis. We also find it hard to attract fans due to us having a terraced, rugby stadium. If we had an all seater stadium like Bradford, crowds would be much higher. As for having no competition, you must surely be on a wind up. We have to compete with the sh1t, Bristol Rugby and the many established clubs that have supporters from Bristol. |
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Post by justin blue on May 21, 2017 9:36:31 GMT
I was expecting it to be a bumper crowd given Bradfords home support and the Millwall being a London club. Maybe Millwall fans discusting reputation put many decent fans off.
Commiserations to Bradford, but league one will be much better next season without that mob.
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Post by oldgas on May 21, 2017 9:48:35 GMT
Your kidding yourself if you don't think there are a healthy number of people in Bradford that wouldn't support Leeds, Weds, Man U. There are plenty in Bristol that follow the big teams! As for Cardiff. That's not really a useful argument is it! Please stop with the 40 thousand thing aswell. It was less than 30k for the biggest game in recent history. I was speaking from my perspective. I said if I were a Bradfodian, I wouldn't want to support etc etc etc. There are plenty in Bristolians who follow the big teams? Really? I work for GWR, I often work on a Saturday. You're right, Temple Meads station is clogged with Bristolians bedecked in Man U. Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea shirts etc etc all rushing off to watch their heroes. We very often have to put on extra trains to cope with the rush. And have you ever witnessed the motorways out of Bristol on a Saturday morning? Carnage, with all those cars and coaches carrying Bristolians to the Midlands, the North and London. You might get Bristolians who SAY they support Prem teams; but that support rarely extends beyond slobbing out in front of Sky tv and wearing a replica shirt. you sort of damage your own argument with the Cardiff comment. Why wouldn't Premier league aficionados go to watch them in the Prem rather than any other team? You're surely not suggesting tribalism? Football tribalism exists in Bristol between The Gas and Sh1t. As much as I despise that horrible club, I'd rather see a kid wearing that sewer wrap than some London or Northern Premier league shirt. And yes, I do firmly believe we would have had 40k plus yesterday. You can't compare the Conference final after 10 years of total dross with a League 1 final after the last couple of seasons, and to do so shows a remarkable lack of thought. |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 9:56:49 GMT
Bristol is a big city, so you'll get both a lot of people going to Rovers/City, and a lot of people 'supporting' Liverpool, Man Utd etc. There are certainly Bristol and Bath supporters groups for Chelsea and United, as we saw at Stamford Bridge for example!
Really the two city clubs' crowds should be higher.
Re: Cardiff, you didn't get Bristolians going over because theyre not the 'top 4'. But notice the crowds they had then vs the crowds they get now. Huge number obsessed with top flight football, hence why if Rovers or City ever got there they would sell out every week.
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Post by bs10er on May 21, 2017 10:12:05 GMT
I spent a night in Manchester a little while back. United were playing at home(forget who against), the train coming back was full with United fans. When I got off at Temple Meads there were still loads going on further down the line. Devon,Cornwall etc. Made me a bit sad!
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Post by oldgas on May 21, 2017 10:15:24 GMT
Bristol is a big city, so you'll get both a lot of people going to Rovers/City, and a lot of people 'supporting' Liverpool, Man Utd etc. There are certainly Bristol and Bath supporters groups for Chelsea and United, as we saw at Stamford Bridge for example! Really the two city clubs' crowds should be higher. Re: Cardiff, you didn't get Bristolians going over because theyre not the 'top 4'. But notice the crowds they had then vs the crowds they get now. Huge number obsessed with top flight football, hence why if Rovers or City ever got there they would sell out every week. All of which kind of supports my argument, and for that reason I do believe we would have 40k plus yesterday. |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 11:04:47 GMT
We have competed at the top end all season in the highest position for a decade. We give away loads of tickets, have little competition and rarely sell out. Sorry would have to disagree with that. We do not give away free tickets, yes we had the bring a mate in for free offer against Fleetwood but that's nowhere near the scale of Bradford who give away thousands of free games on a regular basis. We also find it hard to attract fans due to us having a terraced, rugby stadium. If we had an all seater stadium like Bradford, crowds would be much higher. As for having no competition, you must surely be on a wind up. We have to compete with the sh1t, Bristol Rugby and the many established clubs that have supporters from Bristol. Interesting points but £10 for a kids ST and we regularly have local kids teams in for free. I didn't say no competition. However our catchment is far less competitive than Bradfords! I really don't know why we do this to ourselves? Mocking a club of Bradfords standing and 17k crowds! Gotta laugh really. |
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Post by Icegas on May 21, 2017 11:14:19 GMT
I guess we'd find out if our season ticket prices were as low as theirs (and we had the 20k seater stadium too obvs) It's not about finding out, it's about making statements and justifying them. What's the point in the OP saying they "only" get 17k? It's ridiculous without any tangible comparison to our situation. I meant the only reason they get 17k , and not that they only get 17k. So easy tiger.. As for us able to match that avg if we had the arena to do so. - I have no doubt we could and, would get 17k if we were giving season tickets away for £100. |
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