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Post by rovers5charlton5 on Jun 12, 2017 13:17:21 GMT
The 'foreigners' have started to leave the UK at exactly the same time the economy has taken a dip. I wonder if the 2 are related.
Well done Brexit, thanks for ***g us over.
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Post by newmarketgas on Jun 12, 2017 13:27:03 GMT
The 'foreigners' have started to leave the UK at exactly the same time the economy has taken a dip. I wonder if the 2 are related. Well done Brexit, thanks for ***g us over. Yet again a two way street, you could say they only came here to graze the good times, then run when it gets a bit tougher, to graze another growing economy ? |
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Post by oldgas on Jun 12, 2017 13:32:18 GMT
Not deluded at all - have you read his Fabian Pamphlet - "Socialism". He was the deluded one - I picked the word Socialist as opposed to Labour quite deliberately. Tony Blair was a very good PM in the main, lieing about WOMD destruction aside and being totally led by the nose by Bush into a war we didnt need to be involved in. The main problem was his chancellor and then successor Ditsy Brown who literally wazzed the reserves to the wall until they ran dry and then he ran out of ideas. It is the same everytime Labour have a term in office. I grew up through a Thatcher government, my working class family had nothing, I started my working life and set up my business during a Labour government and since 2010 have noticed it is certainly easier to live and work under a Tory office. Corbyn's manifesto, I admit is wonderful, ideal, and would suit everyone, however I saw through it immeadiately and it was the youth who fell for it hook line and sinker, along with the rose tintered labour hard hats. Corbyn just hasnt worked out yet how to fund and pay for it. And therein lies the typical labour party ignorance and arrogance. Blair is a two-faced liar and was a useless PM. He desperately wanted to take us into the Euro currency. The one good thing Brown did as Chancellor was to resist this. However to counter balance that he destroyed the pensions of nearly every person with his tax raid on pension funds and sold off Most of Britains gold reserves at a historically low rate,losing the country hundreds of BILLIONS of pounds. As to foreigners leaving as a result of BREXIT, how about forcing our own, lazy unemployed to get off their. Arses and do the jobs they've vacated? Just a few hought. |
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jun 12, 2017 13:57:38 GMT
and try running a small independent business when the Business Rates are £5500 per year in advance and i don't even get my bins emptied for that, that costs extra ! Thought you said Miss Leslie sorted the business rates for you. Plus you can't blame Labour they ain't in power. Unless i'm getting my wires crossed. Oldgas child allowance is a benefit i'm sure you claimed that when you could, and still could of course no matter how wealthy. She did... thats the revised figure  |
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Post by tommym9 on Jun 12, 2017 14:04:09 GMT
I'm not at all impressed with this 'the youth have been tricked' line.
All I've seen in this election campaign is negativity from the Tories and personal attacks on Corbyn. I couldn't name one Tory policy that will benefit young people.
In that context it's no wonder young people have come out in droves to vote for him.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jun 12, 2017 14:16:24 GMT
I'm not at all impressed with this 'the youth have been tricked' line. All I've seen in this election campaign is negativity from the Tories and personal attacks on Corbyn. I couldn't name one Tory policy that will benefit young people. In that context it's no wonder young people have come out in droves to vote for him. it only takes one and the rest are just lemmings |
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Post by oldgas on Jun 12, 2017 15:35:53 GMT
I'm not at all impressed with this 'the youth have been tricked' line. All I've seen in this election campaign is negativity from the Tories and personal attacks on Corbyn. I couldn't name one Tory policy that will benefit young people. In that context it's no wonder young people have come out in droves to vote for him. What the Tories did was tell the truth. They attacked Corbyn because he evaded every question about how he intended to pay for his manifesto promises, refused to condemn the IRA or the ISIS lunatics causing havoc in our cities. The only party who were honest about the state of the economy were the Tories. They told it as it was and made no easy money tree promises. The young were beguiled by Corbyns promises of free university, without any thought of how it would be paid for. These people are still basically kids, used to having everything funded by mum and dad. Why wouldn't they believe the nice Mr Corbyn when he said others would pay, but forgot to add that they would in turn have to pay for the rest of their working lives. In many ways tuition fees benefit the young. those who choose not to go to Uni don't pay anything. Those that do can run up as big a debt as they want, knowing how much they will have to pay back and at a very low rate of interest. Once it's paid they are free and clear, not saddled with a lifetime's extra income tax. Theres no such free thing as a free lunch, something that Socialists seem to have great difficulty in understanding. It in part stems from jealousy and envy of people who have more money. Their answer? Tax them heavily and take the money from them. To also suggest that voting for BREXIT means a person is racist is peurile, but is typical of the Socialists lazy way of thinking. |
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Post by tommym9 on Jun 12, 2017 15:54:28 GMT
I'm not at all impressed with this 'the youth have been tricked' line. All I've seen in this election campaign is negativity from the Tories and personal attacks on Corbyn. I couldn't name one Tory policy that will benefit young people. In that context it's no wonder young people have come out in droves to vote for him. What the Tories did was tell the truth. They attacked Corbyn because he evaded every question about how he intended to pay for his manifesto promises, refused to condemn the IRA or the ISIS lunatics causing havoc in our cities. The only party who were honest about the state of the economy were the Tories. They told it as it was and made no easy money tree promises. The young were beguiled by Corbyns promises of free university, without any thought of how it would be paid for. These people are still basically kids, used to having everything funded by mum and dad. Why wouldn't they believe the nice Mr Corbyn when he said others would pay, but forgot to add that they would in turn have to pay for the rest of their working lives. In many ways tuition fees benefit the young. those who choose not to go to Uni don't pay anything. Those that do can run up as big a debt as they want, knowing how much they will have to pay back and at a very low rate of interest. Once it's paid they are free and clear, not saddled with a lifetime's extra income tax. Theres no such free thing as a free lunch, something that Socialists seem to have great difficulty in understanding. It in part stems from jealousy and envy of people who have more money. Their answer? Tax them heavily and take the money from them. To also suggest that voting for BREXIT means a person is racist is peurile, but is typical of the Socialists lazy way of thinking. I think we're going to have to agree to disagree here as the Tory manifesto was entirely un-costed. As for the socialist lazy way of thinking you saying 'These people are still basically kids, used to having everything funded by mum and dad.' is a bit hypocritical don't you think? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 16:04:15 GMT
I'm not at all impressed with this 'the youth have been tricked' line. All I've seen in this election campaign is negativity from the Tories and personal attacks on Corbyn. I couldn't name one Tory policy that will benefit young people. In that context it's no wonder young people have come out in droves to vote for him. What the Tories did was tell the truth. They attacked Corbyn because he evaded every question about how he intended to pay for his manifesto promises, refused to condemn the IRA or the ISIS lunatics causing havoc in our cities. The only party who were honest about the state of the economy were the Tories. They told it as it was and made no easy money tree promises. The young were beguiled by Corbyns promises of free university, without any thought of how it would be paid for. These people are still basically kids, used to having everything funded by mum and dad. Why wouldn't they believe the nice Mr Corbyn when he said others would pay, but forgot to add that they would in turn have to pay for the rest of their working lives. In many ways tuition fees benefit the young. those who choose not to go to Uni don't pay anything. Those that do can run up as big a debt as they want, knowing how much they will have to pay back and at a very low rate of interest. Once it's paid they are free and clear, not saddled with a lifetime's extra income tax. Theres no such free thing as a free lunch, something that Socialists seem to have great difficulty in understanding. It in part stems from jealousy and envy of people who have more money. Their answer? Tax them heavily and take the money from them. To also suggest that voting for BREXIT means a person is racist is peurile, but is typical of the Socialists lazy way of thinking. Honest about the economy,they were the cause of it,they been in power a while now. I don't need telling either and can judge that by my finances. You Tories should look closer to home to see why you lost your majority. I'm a Labour voter and i've never had any free lunch,worked hard to pay my way and couldn't give a sh.t how much wealth someone has. Your's is the lazy way of thinking,just tar us all with the same brush. Oh and i voted Brexit. |
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Post by miamigas on Jun 12, 2017 16:12:11 GMT
Mods, can we start a thread about religion please? UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 16:32:19 GMT
Round and around ,the circle goes .Always hoping to go somewhere but always ending up
back at the beginning. That's politics .Its a game ,nothing more . The rich will always
be rich the poor will always be poor, its the way it has to be. It matters not which "party"
you go to its never any fun.
Its a rigged game as the outcome has to be fully under control.
2015 general election.
How many votes per seat gained for each party.(ISH)
DUP ............ 23,000
SNP .............25,000
SDLP ........... 33,000
CONSERVATIVES ...34,000
LABOUR ..........40,000
SINN FFEIN ......44,000
UUP .............57,000
LIB DEMS ........302,000
GREENS .........1,157,000
UKIP ...........3,881,000
Its a farce !
but we play the game like good little boys and girls.....to scared to rock the boat
and demand a more democratic democracy.
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Post by oldmarket65 on Jun 12, 2017 17:03:41 GMT
Of course now the 'nasty party' have finished blaming corbyn and co . How long as it taken for their true colours to come out ?? . George Osbourne " May is a dead women walking ". A few Tories " Shut up George". Lord Heseltine " I am appalled and betrayed over the handling of brexit by some in my party" Ruth Davidson ( Scottish Tory Leader and openly Gay ) " I am not happy going into talks with the DUP ". Her partner Jen Wilson " Are we actually Ruth ?" .
The confused Tories round on Fiona Hill and Nick Timothy and blame them for the terrible results calling them " Monsters". Fast forward 1993 and Major calls them " The bastards ". Meanwhile May says " I will" " I won't" . And Hammond keeps his job because who's gonna sack him now ??.
And this is only day 4 guys...
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 12, 2017 17:10:16 GMT
"The rich will always be rich the poor will always be poor" but some of the poor can become some of the rich, how many of us started from humble back grounds but made a better life for ourselves though decent education &/or hard work? For me personally it seems Corbyn wants to take back what I've earnt, by higher taxes etc, and give to the layabouts who've done/do little with their life, although I guess that defines what socialism is all about.
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Post by rovers5charlton5 on Jun 12, 2017 17:17:21 GMT
The 'foreigners' have started to leave the UK at exactly the same time the economy has taken a dip. I wonder if the 2 are related. Well done Brexit, thanks for ***g us over. Yet again a two way street, you could say they only came here to graze the good times, then run when it gets a bit tougher, to graze another growing economy ? I'd prefer them to be doing that, than have high inflation and no job thanks very much. |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jun 12, 2017 17:23:58 GMT
The problem with this election is that no-one, including Labour, thought there would be anything but a landslide win for the Conservatives. Labour therefore offered people the world without having any idea how they would pay for it. The Conservatives were too honest for their own good, and paid for it at the ballot box. Labour activated the young vote by offering, amongst other things, free tuition. They also bribed every other section of society with promises of jam today and airily claimed they would pay for it by increasing corporation tax and tax on "The Wealthy". what utter bollox! Companies will happily pay reasonable Corp. tax, but put it too high, and they will do an Amazon, Starbucks etc etc and move offshore. Other companies would be forced to lay people off and downsize. The result would be less tax money for the government, not more. Similarly with the rich. Top earners now pay 45% tax, with National Insurance that means they lose nearly 60% of their income to the government. I don't think that's fair, and it doesn't affect me. What rate would Labour tax these people are? 80%, 90%?. It wouldn't be worth going to work, and they would only find a way around it. The very wealthy, like the Duke, would simply relocate offshore. No, to raise sufficient money to pay for all Labour would have to hit the ordinary working person. I don't know about you, but I don't fancy going back to paying 30% or more income tax, or seeing the country go bankrupt through reckless borrowing. I can't believe that people have such short memories. The last Labour Government, led by the war criminal Blair virtually bankrupted the country, and they were supposed to be moderate in the way they conducted themselves. What do people think a communist idiot like Corbyn would do if given the reigns of power? F#ck me. Ok, please explain to me how, after 7 years of austerity, our borrowing is now trebled that of what was the figure labour left ? A,omgaide tnat this government has crashed the economy so that we are equal bottom of the G7 countries alongside that leviathan of industry, Italy and at 1.2%. What do we have to show for 7 years of austerity please ? Cuts to police, armed forces and to the point where we don't even have one commissioned aircraft carrier and cuts to the pub,if sector that are beyond belief and yet the MP's only day they all turn up is when they give themselves obscene wage rises of 15% or more. I beliebe in living by example, if they feel everyone else should note have pay rises about 1.5%, if lucky, how do they reconcile and rationalise their own greed ? There is so much wrong in this post but it's over, for the time being. We now have a dead duck PM who is in bed with the very same type of extreme people,that she went out of her way to highlight Corbyn's involvement with. As the Chinese say, when cursing people, may you live in interesting times. I'm 54 this year and never have I seen a country so polarised and angry. The trickle down economic revo,utiom that Maggie promised never transpired as the über wealthy put their money offshore and into tax havens. Greed is good is definitely the message that the wealthy use mantra like. Makes me wonder. When is enough, enough ? Look at people like Bill Bates, gives over half of his income to charity and even Steve Jons came to that conclusion as he aged and died. People forget that it's the simple things that matter until it's way too late. BTw, I'm not looking for an argument as I truly have had enough of it. The last few votes really have shown me that this country has never ever been so polarised. It saddens me greatly |
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Post by oldmarket65 on Jun 12, 2017 17:26:01 GMT
"The rich will always be rich the poor will always be poor" but some of the poor can become some of the rich, how many of us started from humble back grounds but made a better life for ourselves though decent education &/or hard work? For me personally it seems Corbyn wants to take back what I've earnt, by higher taxes etc, and give to the layabouts who've done/do little with their life, although I guess that defines what socialism is all about. Most of the objective evidence suggest that the gap between rich and poor is made bigger under a conservative government . And if what your saying is true. Why did nearly 41% vote Labour and the latest yougov polls suggest Labour will win by 6%. This is totally made up by the top 5% who control the Tory party and share fake news.. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 17:37:01 GMT
"The rich will always be rich the poor will always be poor" but some of the poor can become some of the rich, how many of us started from humble back grounds but made a better life for ourselves though decent education &/or hard work? For me personally it seems Corbyn wants to take back what I've earnt, by higher taxes etc, and give to the layabouts who've done/do little with their life, although I guess that defines what socialism is all about. No it doesn't,that just defines what the right wing love to propagate. It's like saying all Tories are self centred,i'm all right jack keep your hands off my stack merchants and couldn't give a sh.t about the true needy. The majority on benefits are hard working and as soon as they can are off them again,but no lets call them all lazy scroungers. Some people abuse the system,be it paying tax or claiming benefit, i think it's a small price to pay for a system that helps many through tough times. Also do you think you would have decent education for the poor without socialism. |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jun 12, 2017 17:39:31 GMT
I'm not at all impressed with this 'the youth have been tricked' line. All I've seen in this election campaign is negativity from the Tories and personal attacks on Corbyn. I couldn't name one Tory policy that will benefit young people. In that context it's no wonder young people have come out in droves to vote for him. What the Tories did was tell the truth. They attacked Corbyn because he evaded every question about how he intended to pay for his manifesto promises, refused to condemn the IRA or the ISIS lunatics causing havoc in our cities. The only party who were honest about the state of the economy were the Tories. They told it as it was and made no easy money tree promises. The young were beguiled by Corbyns promises of free university, without any thought of how it would be paid for. These people are still basically kids, used to having everything funded by mum and dad. Why wouldn't they believe the nice Mr Corbyn when he said others would pay, but forgot to add that they would in turn have to pay for the rest of their working lives. In many ways tuition fees benefit the young. those who choose not to go to Uni don't pay anything. Those that do can run up as big a debt as they want, knowing how much they will have to pay back and at a very low rate of interest. Once it's paid they are free and clear, not saddled with a lifetime's extra income tax. Theres no such free thing as a free lunch, something that Socialists seem to have great difficulty in understanding. It in part stems from jealousy and envy of people who have more money. Their answer? Tax them heavily and take the money from them. To also suggest that voting for BREXIT means a person is racist is peurile, but is typical of the Socialists lazy way of thinking. No they never. Their own leader wouldn't and refused to debate and be interviewed for her own job. They had no manifesto and would not be drawn on it. Labour did have a manifesto and fully costed out. The press decided not to concentrate on that and found it funny to make fun out of people who made mistakes. Have you ever tried to remember a manifesto that was just 2 weeks old and get it word perfect ? I'd love to see you try and then see how you'd like it when the press and everyone else made fun of you. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone or in this case he/she who is not without mistake. Fact is we had a Brexit vote we didn't need which led to an election we didn't need and yet somehow this is labours fault if it weren't so tragic then it would be funny but we now have a severely diminished PM who is expected to deliver Brexit when she couldn't deliver an outright majority in her own country. It's an omnishambles and showed such poor judgment that it's beyond any logic. Who have ever thought of the conservatives in bed with the late Reverend Ian Paisley's DUP. Something I certainly would never have Imagined possible. |
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Post by newmarketgas on Jun 12, 2017 17:58:41 GMT
Where as Jeremy snuggled up to the IRA is just fine ? Please don't tell me he was trying for peace, even the IRA said he kept the fight going because as they saw it he gave them legitimacy.
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Post by oldmarket65 on Jun 12, 2017 18:06:43 GMT
And Theresa May was the first to visit 'fat chops' who choose Saudi Arabia as his first visit. Saudi Arabia supports international terror and persecutes Christians. And now we have the DUP ??
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