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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 12, 2017 18:28:54 GMT
What the Tories did was tell the truth. They attacked Corbyn because he evaded every question about how he intended to pay for his manifesto promises, refused to condemn the IRA or the ISIS lunatics causing havoc in our cities. The only party who were honest about the state of the economy were the Tories. They told it as it was and made no easy money tree promises. The young were beguiled by Corbyns promises of free university, without any thought of how it would be paid for. These people are still basically kids, used to having everything funded by mum and dad. Why wouldn't they believe the nice Mr Corbyn when he said others would pay, but forgot to add that they would in turn have to pay for the rest of their working lives. In many ways tuition fees benefit the young. those who choose not to go to Uni don't pay anything. Those that do can run up as big a debt as they want, knowing how much they will have to pay back and at a very low rate of interest. Once it's paid they are free and clear, not saddled with a lifetime's extra income tax. Theres no such free thing as a free lunch, something that Socialists seem to have great difficulty in understanding. It in part stems from jealousy and envy of people who have more money. Their answer? Tax them heavily and take the money from them. To also suggest that voting for BREXIT means a person is racist is peurile, but is typical of the Socialists lazy way of thinking. No they never. Their own leader wouldn't and refused to debate and be interviewed for her own job. They had no manifesto and would not be drawn on it. Labour did have a manifesto and fully costed out. The press decided not to concentrate on that and found it funny to make fun out of people who made mistakes. Have you ever tried to remember a manifesto that was just 2 weeks old and get it word perfect ? I'd love to see you try and then see how you'd like it when the press and everyone else made fun of you. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone or in this case he/she who is not without mistake. Fact is we had a Brexit vote we didn't need which led to an election we didn't need and yet somehow this is labours fault if it weren't so tragic then it would be funny but we now have a severely diminished PM who is expected to deliver Brexit when she couldn't deliver an outright majority in her own country. It's an omnishambles and showed such poor judgment that it's beyond any logic. Who have ever thought of the conservatives in bed with the late Reverend Ian Paisley's DUP. Something I certainly would never have Imagined possible. "costed out" are you being serious? Most of it was going to come from taxing the £85K+ earners but when Labour tried a similar tax increase in the past it suddenly all disappeared as the rich founds ways of not paying it i.e. pay more into their pensions, set up Ltd co's etc. I've nothing against Labour but I can't believe anybody trusted Corbyn's calculations when he could really say what he wanted as he knew he was unlikely to ever be elected. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 18:58:13 GMT
What the Tories did was tell the truth. They attacked Corbyn because he evaded every question about how he intended to pay for his manifesto promises, refused to condemn the IRA or the ISIS lunatics causing havoc in our cities. The only party who were honest about the state of the economy were the Tories. They told it as it was and made no easy money tree promises. The young were beguiled by Corbyns promises of free university, without any thought of how it would be paid for. These people are still basically kids, used to having everything funded by mum and dad. Why wouldn't they believe the nice Mr Corbyn when he said others would pay, but forgot to add that they would in turn have to pay for the rest of their working lives. In many ways tuition fees benefit the young. those who choose not to go to Uni don't pay anything. Those that do can run up as big a debt as they want, knowing how much they will have to pay back and at a very low rate of interest. Once it's paid they are free and clear, not saddled with a lifetime's extra income tax. Theres no such free thing as a free lunch, something that Socialists seem to have great difficulty in understanding. It in part stems from jealousy and envy of people who have more money. Their answer? Tax them heavily and take the money from them. To also suggest that voting for BREXIT means a person is racist is peurile, but is typical of the Socialists lazy way of thinking. No they never. Their own leader wouldn't and refused to debate and be interviewed for her own job. They had no manifesto and would not be drawn on it. Labour did have a manifesto and fully costed out. The press decided not to concentrate on that and found it funny to make fun out of people who made mistakes. Have you ever tried to remember a manifesto that was just 2 weeks old and get it word perfect ? I'd love to see you try and then see how you'd like it when the press and everyone else made fun of you. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone or in this case he/she who is not without mistake. Fact is we had a Brexit vote we didn't need which led to an election we didn't need and yet somehow this is labours fault if it weren't so tragic then it would be funny but we now have a severely diminished PM who is expected to deliver Brexit when she couldn't deliver an outright majority in her own country. It's an omnishambles and showed such poor judgment that it's beyond any logic. Who have ever thought of the conservatives in bed with the late Reverend Ian Paisley's DUP. Something I certainly would never have Imagined possible. "No Manifesto" = No Promises/No Lies. I really can't figure out why the Labour Party didn't win the election. They promised everything and still couldn't win - I'm baffled !!! This isn't an angry posting btw. |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jun 12, 2017 19:13:13 GMT
How many actually read a newspaper though - even online? Not sure many college / uni students would as their news feed ''facts' are usually solely social media based Clutching at straws. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 19:21:29 GMT
No they never. Their own leader wouldn't and refused to debate and be interviewed for her own job. They had no manifesto and would not be drawn on it. Labour did have a manifesto and fully costed out. The press decided not to concentrate on that and found it funny to make fun out of people who made mistakes. Have you ever tried to remember a manifesto that was just 2 weeks old and get it word perfect ? I'd love to see you try and then see how you'd like it when the press and everyone else made fun of you. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone or in this case he/she who is not without mistake. Fact is we had a Brexit vote we didn't need which led to an election we didn't need and yet somehow this is labours fault if it weren't so tragic then it would be funny but we now have a severely diminished PM who is expected to deliver Brexit when she couldn't deliver an outright majority in her own country. It's an omnishambles and showed such poor judgment that it's beyond any logic. Who have ever thought of the conservatives in bed with the late Reverend Ian Paisley's DUP. Something I certainly would never have Imagined possible. "No Manifesto" = No Promises/No Lies. I really can't figure out why the Labour Party didn't win the election. They promised everything and still couldn't win - I'm baffled !!! This isn't an angry posting btw. Yeah coming from twenty points behind in a few weeks. Given the usual amount of time to campaign i think they would have.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 23:03:26 GMT
To me jeremy corbyn is about hope for a fairer society.
I want my grand children to at least have access to the health service and education i had.
I want them to get on the housing ladder and have jobs with proper contracts.
Under the current regime that will not happen,meanwhile the wealthy will increase there immense riches and the rise that is all to apparent in real poverty in modern britain will gain pace.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jun 13, 2017 6:35:59 GMT
To me jeremy corbyn is about hope for a fairer society. I want my grand children to at least have access to the health service and education i had. I want them to get on the housing ladder and have jobs with proper contracts. Under the current regime that will not happen,meanwhile the wealthy will increase there immense riches and the rise that is all to apparent in real poverty in modern britain will gain pace. If you wanted all of that, why did you vote Labour? And if you voted Brexit, again, for the sake of your grandkids, why did you do that? It was the most shortsighted thing you could have possibly done. Whichever way you cut it, your grandkids will have to rely on inheritance from you and their parents to have a comfortable second phase of life. Meaning they will have to work hard for their first 45 years if they want all the things you have just mentioned. There is no pension pots, the last labour government saw to that when Brown raided it. Banks are wise to mortgage lending after the crash in 2007-09 crippled the banking system which the government then had to mostly purchase with the tax payers money which we are still paying for right now. And you want to vote for the same party that did this in the first place? Madness! The rich aren't getting richer because they are creaming it off interest rates are they? They are at 0.5%. It's because most of them have had to invest in this country, through the bad times but now it has improved they have created an economy and jobs, but now it's looking better you want to penalise them for that? Increase taxes so far and All that will happen is they will shrink the size of their companies, make people redundant, increasing unemployment and possibly move businesses back off shore. Oh and Alan Sugar put £56m in personal tax back into the treasury last year and that won't include his corporation tax, his employee contributions and business rates. What if he moves off sure and other businesses do the same? Have labour got a magic pot to replace them? We are in 7 years of austerity because we have to be, it's the only chance of us giving my kids and your grandkids an opportunity of what you outlined. Borrowing has trebled because the mess was so great it has taken longer to pay everything back. It's basic maths. I'm 36, I set up a business in 09 in a recession when I got made redundant and worked damn hard, I consider myself to be reasonably successful, I took no salary for 18 months but now, with employees I am enjoying what I made, I am in the higher tax bracket, why should I be overly penalised for what I did in 2009? Corbyn quite simply had no basic business costs for his manifesto, it was nothing but a pipe dream using the inexperienced youth to grapple votes. Fair play it works. But I would rather have the DUP in coalition than that lunatic. |
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Post by philbemmygas on Jun 13, 2017 6:39:21 GMT
Mods, I think this thread needs closing or moving out of Gas chat. It has gone from polite political views to acting the views of other posters. Side note on "the fully costed policies" of the two main parties; both were disected by the financial institutions and both were found to have holes. The Corbyn one was the most criticised for it's lack of cohesion. Now, when are the fixtures coming out?  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 6:44:48 GMT
Mods, I think this thread needs closing or moving out of Gas chat. It has gone from polite political views to acting the views of other posters. Side note on "the fully costed policies" of the two main parties; both were disected by the financial institutions and both were found to have holes. The Corbyn one was the most criticised for it's lack of cohesion. Now, when are the fixtures coming out? There out me v you |
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Post by philbemmygas on Jun 13, 2017 6:47:05 GMT
Mods, I think this thread needs closing or moving out of Gas chat. It has gone from polite political views to acting the views of other posters. Side note on "the fully costed policies" of the two main parties; both were disected by the financial institutions and both were found to have holes. The Corbyn one was the most criticised for it's lack of cohesion. Now, when are the fixtures coming out? There out me v you Would you care to elucidate? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 6:59:16 GMT
Would you care to elucidate? North Bristol v south Bristol 🍻 |
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Post by newmarketgas on Jun 13, 2017 7:03:14 GMT
To me jeremy corbyn is about hope for a fairer society. I want my grand children to at least have access to the health service and education i had. I want them to get on the housing ladder and have jobs with proper contracts. Under the current regime that will not happen,meanwhile the wealthy will increase there immense riches and the rise that is all to apparent in real poverty in modern britain will gain pace. It's not hope, it's a dream, a bit like your first wet dream, everything is wonderful, it's fantastic, then you wake up and it's a total mess |
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Post by countygroundhotel on Jun 13, 2017 8:07:20 GMT
Of course now the 'nasty party' have finished blaming corbyn and co . How long as it taken for their true colours to come out ?? . George Osbourne " May is a dead women walking ". A few Tories " Shut up George". Lord Heseltine " I am appalled and betrayed over the handling of brexit by some in my party" Ruth Davidson ( Scottish Tory Leader and openly Gay ) " I am not happy going into talks with the DUP ". Her partner Jen Wilson " Are we actually Ruth ?" . The confused Tories round on Fiona Hill and Nick Timothy and blame them for the terrible results calling them " Monsters". Fast forward 1993 and Major calls them " The bastards ". Meanwhile May says " I will" " I won't" . And Hammond keeps his job because who's gonna sack him now ??. And this is only day 4 guys... Corbyn went into the election unsupported by swathes of his own MPs. He didn't resign so a bit hypocritical to suggest May should resign on the same basis. Except that is Socialism do as we say not what we do |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 13, 2017 8:21:13 GMT
Of course now the 'nasty party' have finished blaming corbyn and co . How long as it taken for their true colours to come out ?? . George Osbourne " May is a dead women walking ". A few Tories " Shut up George". Lord Heseltine " I am appalled and betrayed over the handling of brexit by some in my party" Ruth Davidson ( Scottish Tory Leader and openly Gay ) " I am not happy going into talks with the DUP ". Her partner Jen Wilson " Are we actually Ruth ?" . The confused Tories round on Fiona Hill and Nick Timothy and blame them for the terrible results calling them " Monsters". Fast forward 1993 and Major calls them " The bastards ". Meanwhile May says " I will" " I won't" . And Hammond keeps his job because who's gonna sack him now ??. And this is only day 4 guys... Corbyn went into the election unsupported by swathes of his own MPs. He didn't resign so a bit hypocritical to suggest May should resign on the same basis. Except that is Socialism do as we say not what we do You are mistaking hypocrisy with socialism there mate. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 8:38:31 GMT
The strongest economy in Europe - Germany?
The strongest Leader in Europe - Merkel?
I'd just like to point out that Merkel has NEVER had a majority government. Her party, the CDU ALWAYS has to form a coalition with another party. The German political was designed for this after WW2. Usually after a General Election in Germany, the government is not formed for at least a couple of months as the haggling goes on as to who will form the coalition.
So, why are people panicking in the UK?
The Tories won by a convincing amount. Jobs jobbed crack on.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jun 13, 2017 9:00:52 GMT
Mods, I think this thread needs closing or moving out of Gas chat. It has gone from polite political views to acting the views of other posters. Side note on "the fully costed policies" of the two main parties; both were disected by the financial institutions and both were found to have holes. The Corbyn one was the most criticised for it's lack of cohesion. Now, when are the fixtures coming out? There is no attacking. It's debate based on information given by posters. As there is no football to dissect, let's leave this where it is. It's been friendly so far. |
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Post by yattongas on Jun 13, 2017 9:54:14 GMT
To me jeremy corbyn is about hope for a fairer society. I want my grand children to at least have access to the health service and education i had. I want them to get on the housing ladder and have jobs with proper contracts. Under the current regime that will not happen,meanwhile the wealthy will increase there immense riches and the rise that is all to apparent in real poverty in modern britain will gain pace. If you wanted all of that, why did you vote Labour? And if you voted Brexit, again, for the sake of your grandkids, why did you do that? It was the most shortsighted thing you could have possibly done. Whichever way you cut it, your grandkids will have to rely on inheritance from you and their parents to have a comfortable second phase of life. Meaning they will have to work hard for their first 45 years if they want all the things you have just mentioned. There is no pension pots, the last labour government saw to that when Brown raided it. Banks are wise to mortgage lending after the crash in 2007-09 crippled the banking system which the government then had to mostly purchase with the tax payers money which we are still paying for right now. And you want to vote for the same party that did this in the first place? Madness! The rich aren't getting richer because they are creaming it off interest rates are they? They are at 0.5%. It's because most of them have had to invest in this country, through the bad times but now it has improved they have created an economy and jobs, but now it's looking better you want to penalise them for that? Increase taxes so far and All that will happen is they will shrink the size of their companies, make people redundant, increasing unemployment and possibly move businesses back off shore. Oh and Alan Sugar put £56m in personal tax back into the treasury last year and that won't include his corporation tax, his employee contributions and business rates. What if he moves off sure and other businesses do the same? Have labour got a magic pot to replace them? We are in 7 years of austerity because we have to be, it's the only chance of us giving my kids and your grandkids an opportunity of what you outlined. Borrowing has trebled because the mess was so great it has taken longer to pay everything back. It's basic maths. I'm 36, I set up a business in 09 in a recession when I got made redundant and worked damn hard, I consider myself to be reasonably successful, I took no salary for 18 months but now, with employees I am enjoying what I made, I am in the higher tax bracket, why should I be overly penalised for what I did in 2009? Corbyn quite simply had no basic business costs for his manifesto, it was nothing but a pipe dream using the inexperienced youth to grapple votes. Fair play it works. But I would rather have the DUP in coalition than that lunatic. Do you earn over 123k a yr ? I think it was only those that do were being asked to pay more tax. The top 5% of earners. What do you consider to be overly penalised ? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 10:04:27 GMT
If you wanted all of that, why did you vote Labour? And if you voted Brexit, again, for the sake of your grandkids, why did you do that? It was the most shortsighted thing you could have possibly done. Whichever way you cut it, your grandkids will have to rely on inheritance from you and their parents to have a comfortable second phase of life. Meaning they will have to work hard for their first 45 years if they want all the things you have just mentioned. There is no pension pots, the last labour government saw to that when Brown raided it. Banks are wise to mortgage lending after the crash in 2007-09 crippled the banking system which the government then had to mostly purchase with the tax payers money which we are still paying for right now. And you want to vote for the same party that did this in the first place? Madness! The rich aren't getting richer because they are creaming it off interest rates are they? They are at 0.5%. It's because most of them have had to invest in this country, through the bad times but now it has improved they have created an economy and jobs, but now it's looking better you want to penalise them for that? Increase taxes so far and All that will happen is they will shrink the size of their companies, make people redundant, increasing unemployment and possibly move businesses back off shore. Oh and Alan Sugar put £56m in personal tax back into the treasury last year and that won't include his corporation tax, his employee contributions and business rates. What if he moves off sure and other businesses do the same? Have labour got a magic pot to replace them? We are in 7 years of austerity because we have to be, it's the only chance of us giving my kids and your grandkids an opportunity of what you outlined. Borrowing has trebled because the mess was so great it has taken longer to pay everything back. It's basic maths. I'm 36, I set up a business in 09 in a recession when I got made redundant and worked damn hard, I consider myself to be reasonably successful, I took no salary for 18 months but now, with employees I am enjoying what I made, I am in the higher tax bracket, why should I be overly penalised for what I did in 2009? Corbyn quite simply had no basic business costs for his manifesto, it was nothing but a pipe dream using the inexperienced youth to grapple votes. Fair play it works. But I would rather have the DUP in coalition than that lunatic. Do you earn over 123k a yr ? I think it was only those that do were being asked to pay more tax. The top 5% of earners. What do you consider to be overly penalised ? I think you'll find that Labour were going to hammer anyone earning over 80k a year, and what they failed to mention is that this 80k would include the joint earnings. If you and your partner between you are earning over 80k, then Labour class you as rich. |
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Post by gonzales on Jun 13, 2017 10:46:51 GMT
Wasn't the 'hammering' that those over 80k were going to be 'hit' with something like £2.50 a week? I'd happily pay that and I earn less than 20k, why is it the richer you are the greedier you become and the less you care about others? That's obviously not a truism but it is the inference us poor can draw from the constant bullshit spilled by the mainstream press and regurgitated by posters online. Also, our corporation tax is one of the lowest in the developed world and under the labour proposal would still be lower than other Western European countries. Not that it matters because after the hard-brexit craved by so many of May's cronies airbus et al will say 'see ya' - and us young people will be left to clear up the mess left to us.
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Post by philbemmygas on Jun 13, 2017 11:06:53 GMT
Would you care to elucidate? North Bristol v south Bristol 🍻 Best bring your big girls pants; when i am thirsty it usually gets messy  |
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Post by philbemmygas on Jun 13, 2017 11:16:03 GMT
Wasn't the 'hammering' that those over 80k were going to be 'hit' with something like £2.50 a week? I'd happily pay that and I earn less than 20k, why is it the richer you are the greedier you become and the less you care about others? That's obviously not a truism but it is the inference us poor can draw from the constant bullshit spilled by the mainstream press and regurgitated by posters online. Also, our corporation tax is one of the lowest in the developed world and under the labour proposal would still be lower than other Western European countries. Not that it matters because after the hard-brexit craved by so many of May's cronies airbus et al will say 'see ya' - and us young people will be left to clear up the mess left to us. When Corporation was lowered in the last administration; it actually brought more money into the coffers. Hence raising may not bring the expected windfall expected by the cronies of JC, businesses are attracted to the UK by those low rates. Still as I vote Tory I clearly know feck all. Roll on the 21st June |
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