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Post by chewbacca on Feb 19, 2021 9:55:00 GMT
Ledley could bring that experience into midfield that we lack. A player like Josh Grant could learn a huge amount from him. There is also the dressing room where he could build morale. Hes played at the highest of levels and internationally. It would be a similar signing to Wally in 99-00 where his experience and positioning made up for any of the pace that he had lost. Given we have lost Ogogo to injury which is a shame as he was excellent in his first game back, this could be just what we need just to take a bit of the pressure off our young lads. Hes certainly a better player than Upson. Their was a marked improvement in Grant's game when Ogogo returned to the club. Having experience around the training ground as well as on the pitch is crucial, especially as midfield seems to be one area we do lack some leadership. I'd be well up for having Ledley signing, he's also doing his coaching badges so potentially a new voice around the training ground could help even if not officially a coach.
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 19, 2021 8:35:18 GMT
Whilst undoubtedly a good player, especially a few years back - I can’t see where or how he’d fit in to our team ? Midfield.
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 18, 2021 13:30:15 GMT
I think the question that should be asked is; Is Joey Barton the best person for the job, and if he is, is the drop off to the 2nd, 3rd etc choice candidate so much that appointing them would be more detrimental to the club than potentially losing Barton and face in the summer. Personally I think the drop off isn't enough to take that risk which, is why I'm no for appointing Barton. Weirdly I agree with you 😬 Is he good? Yes. Is he good enough to risk splitting the fanbase and the negative publicity when he makes another “mistake”? No Getting a bit much this to be honest.
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 18, 2021 13:20:46 GMT
I think the question that should be asked is;
Is Joey Barton the best person for the job, and if he is, is the drop off to the 2nd, 3rd etc choice candidate so much that appointing them would be more detrimental to the club than potentially losing Barton and face in the summer.
Personally I think the drop off isn't enough to take that risk which, is why I'm no for appointing Barton.
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 18, 2021 13:15:42 GMT
A lot of people complained the football was awful under GC but define awful? For me good football is anything which gets us on the front foot, having a go and realistically looking like we might get a goal or a sneaky result. That’s good football to me. We were told we’d get good football under Garner but we just got a whole load of passing the ball around at the back. I’d rather route one football with intent than watching defenders pass the ball around in the first 1/3rd of the pitch. If that’s good football, no thank you. Tisdales football was all over the place. When we got it together we looked fantastic, in about 2 league matches? Plymouth and Wimbledon. However, for the rest of the time the football was no better than under Garner. That's kind of the issue, I'm not sure why people expect the Rovers to play free flowing attacking football that will be talked about for decades to come. We're a third tier football club, just try and win most of your home games and give us some good away days every season. GC did that by keeping it reasonably simple and people wanted free flowing attacking football for some reason. He left, we bought it a bright, young coaching talent who played free flowing attacking football... Unfortunately it was the opposition doing it. Tisdale was just the wrong appointment at the wrong club with the wrong staff at the wrong time.
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 18, 2021 12:53:29 GMT
I see Barton's odds have drifted to 10/11 and Robinson's odds have shortenned to 2/1. The bookies have really been doing a hell of a job with Barton, Anthony, Barton again, Clarke, Barton again Robinson being favourite.
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 18, 2021 12:51:13 GMT
I think they were headhunted with the Rovers DNA in mind. The DNA being making poor decisions regarding the running of the football side of the club with no coherent plan or idea of what we're doing from one three month period to the next? That's it isn't it? Quite possibly. DNA of course standing for Daftly Naming Appointments.
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 18, 2021 12:47:16 GMT
Presumably money? If we're still paying up Garner and Tisdale's contracts on top of whoever comes in as the new manager, then doing the same to two more assistants starts to add up. Come on, Wael is not a poor man. If he is willing to build a new training ground etc and hopefully challenge for promotion, then he should be prepared to properly support any new manager with his own coaching staff. Again, its not like Maher and Mesure were headhunted with this so called Rovers "dna" in mind. I think they were headhunted with the Rovers DNA in mind. The DNA being making poor decisions regarding the running of the football side of the club with no coherent plan or idea of what we're doing from one three month period to the next? That's it isn't it?
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 18, 2021 11:34:57 GMT
I personally couldn’t care less about his ‘ questionable ‘ past . He wouldn’t be coming here for redemption - hopefully it would be to keep us up !!!!! Utg Also bring back hanging.
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 18, 2021 8:25:44 GMT
Sure he has a good record in Scottish Law but Barton has a proven track record in English and Welsh Law.
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 17, 2021 23:27:34 GMT
It's worth remembering that we were in Division 3 South 1920-1953, every year we finished in the bottom half would have been the equivalent of the fourth tier. Bit of re-writing history going on there - here's the facts: 1920/21 10th 1923/24 9th 1926/27 10th 1932/33 9th 1933/34 7th 1934/35 8th 1948/49 5th 1949/50 9th 1950/51 6th 1951/52 7th 1952/53 1st Ah no rewriting, didn’t do the research!
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 17, 2021 18:39:36 GMT
Stendel was really bad at Hearts though, if we’re comparing him to Robinson for instance which, is probably the easiest comparison on their last job. Robinson is miles ahead. Hearts was a complete basket case though? A lot of their fans believe he would have kept them up. If we decided to compare Robinson and Stendel’s league one record then Stendel is streets ahead. Either one is a gamble and I’d not be disappointed with either one being here. It was some effort to finish that far adrift of Accies, Ross County and Saints. I don’t think it was a great job to take on but he was still pretty poor. I’m interested to see where the board go with this, if they take their time and let TW plod along for a little bit or look to make a quick appointment. I think we can all agree they, whoever they is rushed into the Tisdale appointment and it’s set us back a couple of months. I’d hope that we’d be making an appointment now that we’d be looking to stick with even if we were relegated.
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 17, 2021 18:16:14 GMT
Not really any names on the bookies list that particularly stand out. I like the job that Michael Duff is doing at Cheltenham though. Maybe speak with Daniel Stendel, although his time at Hearts is a slight concern. I think if I had to say someone then John Eustace if he fancies it. I’m with you on Stendel, find his character really interesting and think he’d be a good fit for the club I also rate Duff. I don’t know enough about Eustace to pass comment Stendel was really bad at Hearts though, if we’re comparing him to Robinson for instance which, is probably the easiest comparison on their last job. Robinson is miles ahead.
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 17, 2021 16:26:41 GMT
Respect, I do like a stat. Spooky that 6 Promotions and 6 Relegations. 1961 - 62 Bert Tann 1980 - 81 Terry Cooper (and Ron Gingell as Caretaker) 1992 - 93 Dennis Rofe, Malcolm Alison (and Steve Cross as Caretaker) 2000 - 01 Ian Holloway Garry Thompson 2010 - 11 Paul Trollope (Darren Patterson as Caretaker) Dave Penney 2013 - 14 John Ward (Darrell Clarke argument if Caretaker or not I Guess) What this says is we seem to get relegated with multiple / Caretaker Managers in a season!!!!!!) As time goes on Mangers seem to last 5 minutes these days. Heads or Tails anyone? Good stuff from yourself and Chewbacca. I suppose if you put together 6 promotions, 6 relegations and a historic average league position of Mid 3rd Tier we are what we are - a club that doesn’t really get anywhere an we are back where we belong an will probably stay is th truth. 2000- 2016 was a bit of a downer but we seem to have recovered to normality. It's worth remembering that we were in Division 3 South 1920-1953, every year we finished in the bottom half would have been the equivalent of the fourth tier.
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 17, 2021 16:19:13 GMT
Respect, I do like a stat. Spooky that 6 Promotions and 6 Relegations. 1961 - 62 Bert Tann 1980 - 81 Terry Cooper (and Ron Gingell as Caretaker) 1992 - 93 Dennis Rofe, Malcolm Alison (and Steve Cross as Caretaker) 2000 - 01 Ian Holloway Garry Thompson 2010 - 11 Paul Trollope (Darren Patterson as Caretaker) Dave Penney 2013 - 14 John Ward (Darrell Clarke argument if Caretaker or not I Guess) What this says is we seem to get relegated with multiple / Caretaker Managers in a season!!!!!!) As time goes on Mangers seem to last 5 minutes these days. Heads or Tails anyone? I've said it before Tisdale got sacked that if he didn't go we were relegated but, if you go through three managers in a season you'll probably get relegated. Having multiple managers in a season is a failure by the club. I don't actually think in this instance we should promoted from within but, I do like a pathway for coaches to progress through the club. I don't think the likes of Mansell or Anthony should be ruled out just on a experience basis.
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 17, 2021 16:00:52 GMT
Bristol Rovers have never achieved a promotion with an external candidate.
Bert Tann - Joined 1948 - Manager 1950 - Promoted 1953 Don Megson - Joined 1969 - Manager 1972 - Promoted 1974 Gerry Francis - Joined 1985 - Manager 1987 - Promoted 1990 Paul Trollope - Joined 2004 - Manager 2005 - Promoted 2007 Darrell Clarke - Joined 2013 - Manager 2014 - Promoted 2015 & 2016
Staggering Stat! Just Six promotions since the end of world war 2. What this doesn't tell you is the near misses! I don't think internal / external makes any difference. What it does tell you is that you need continuity in the to win promotion. I think having an understanding of the squad and it's frailties both on the pitch and off prior to starting the job is a big benefit. Every promotion was won with a team that had a large amount of inherited players, having an outsider come in and rip up the squad has never worked for Rovers. Even taking into account the Playoff near misses of 1989, 1995 and 1998 the squads were littered with players who had been with the club for a significant period.
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 17, 2021 15:19:26 GMT
You think we’d have learnt by now that sounding good on a podcast doesn’t make you a good manager 😂 (not saying he isn’t one) sounding good on a podcast makes you a good manager Awkward.
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 17, 2021 15:11:51 GMT
Personally not a Fan of an Internal Appointment. Bristol Rovers have never achieved a promotion with an external candidate.
Bert Tann - Joined 1948 - Manager 1950 - Promoted 1953 Don Megson - Joined 1969 - Manager 1972 - Promoted 1974 Gerry Francis - Joined 1985 - Manager 1987 - Promoted 1990 Paul Trollope - Joined 2004 - Manager 2005 - Promoted 2007 Darrell Clarke - Joined 2013 - Manager 2014 - Promoted 2015 & 2016
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 17, 2021 14:41:08 GMT
He is a part of the 'Get Hooked on Fishing' campaign, designed to keep children out of trouble by encouraging them to take up fishing.
"Get Hooked on Fishing", Joey Barton takes a group of young boys with ASBOS to Lee Bowyer's Carp Fishing lake in France to try and get them back on track.
If the reports are correct this could actually get commissioned with all the free time Joey will have.
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 16, 2021 17:10:21 GMT
For me Clive this thread is an exact indicator of why I may edge slightly towards not having the bloke.. it will 100% cause massive issues amongst the fans Not often we agree but that’s pretty much been my stance since the start.
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