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Post by chilly1883 on Jun 13, 2021 17:43:31 GMT
A great result and glad the headless chicken AKA Sterling got a goal. He isn’t world class but he has some serious pace. I’m very much looking for a post brexit statement to Europe and win it would very much supply that. Beating Scotland will be a nice statement to Jimmy Krankie. Come on England ive got tickets for Friday ! Can’t wait 🤞
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Post by chilly1883 on Jun 12, 2021 14:53:45 GMT
Reading the posts and the threads the last few days makes me feel a little sad. I 100% respect everyone's opinion and that goes without saying. We have a great opportunity of winning the league next season, (The Bookies are very rarely wrong!!!). How many clubs can say that they have won their league, Prem, or Grass roots. Good foundations with Owner, Manager. Agree Stadium and squad not fit for purpose, but I hope with Joey and Wael we will start a Journey. Its another story with the Academy and some Coaching staff buts that's for another day and if Joey and Wael are together with it, that will be sorted. JUST UTG, Looking forward to being back in the Blackthorn ( I know Thatchers stuff) Positivity?? Behave 🤣🤣
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Post by chilly1883 on Jun 11, 2021 17:59:33 GMT
Well done again Wael, for bankrolling us! We’d be f**ked without him. UTG We don’t want to be bank rolled, we want to have sustainability. City are being bank rolled and are in 5x more debt than us. I agree, but if hadn’t bankrolled us, we’d be dead. Simple
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Post by chilly1883 on Jun 11, 2021 13:01:36 GMT
Well done again Wael, for bankrolling us! We’d be f**ked without him. UTG
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Post by chilly1883 on Jun 11, 2021 6:57:54 GMT
would you be happier to carry on as we are? Going nowhere, we’ve been absolutely sh**e for four years now, bar the the short period under GC. I think it’s what we need. So what if he’s bringing his people across. It’s not even a gamble, it’s got to happen. Name a single other organisation in the world, sporting or otherwise, that have allowed second tier management to appoint and remove board members. When you realise there are none. Have a think about why that might be. He hasn’t removed board members, he’s been given a new role? He wasn’t very good at recruitment, it’s been handed over to the management. Makes perfect sense. We’re you happy with TW performance?
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Post by chilly1883 on Jun 10, 2021 20:29:22 GMT
How do you know that he’s instructed all this to happen? TW did a sh** job, got sacked, maybe? Well I agree that if you completely ignore the fact that: - Gibson is Barton's mate from Fleetwood; and - Barton said he would insist on having full control of recruitment, making Widdrington's position untenable then there's nothing to suggest Barton had anything to do with it. But only if you ignore all the evidence that it is obviously Barton's doing. would you be happier to carry on as we are? Going nowhere, we’ve been absolutely sh**e for four years now, bar the the short period under GC. I think it’s what we need. So what if he’s bringing his people across. It’s not even a gamble, it’s got to happen.
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Post by chilly1883 on Jun 10, 2021 15:36:30 GMT
I cannot remember, ever, in the history of the club, when directors have been appointed to or removed from the board or their job roles redefined on the say so of the manager. Can you tell me the last manager we had that did that? I don't think there is one. Can you tell me any club who has done that? Ollie bought shares in Grimsby but didn't get a seat on the board nor the ability to put his mates in place and oust others. I've thought of one - Barry Fry at Peterborough before Darragh MacAnthony came on board. Barry was owner, Chairman and First Team Manager and it was a f**king shambles. So much so that the BBC did a documentary on it. Which D Mac saw and that's how he came on board. Edit - sorry it was Sky One's Big Ron Manager. How do you know that he’s instructed all this to happen? TW did a sh** job, got sacked, maybe?
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Post by chilly1883 on Jun 10, 2021 13:47:17 GMT
Agree with this. Everything Wael has tried to date hasn’t worked and he’s flushed a whole load of his money down the toilet to achieve nothing. A lot of his calls in that time have left me worried about his judgement and where the club is going to. Perfectly legitimate concerns that some are determine to shout down and claim are made up at every term. Perhaps they are worried that their unmitigated faith in Wael is misplaced? Strategy now is basically Wael has been starstruck into giving a name he’s heard before full control over most aspects of the club which is really going to damage us down the line. As I said like JB, and want him to win us promotion but can see it all ending in tears sooner rather than later. I agree with you that I have some strong skepticism about transforming the club into Barton Rovers. Nothing to do with it being Joey Barton I would be saying the same whoever it was. What is the average life span for a league manager? I can't be bothered to check but three yearsish? It's inevitable that Joey will leave whether that's because we ask him to or he decides himself. When that happens we will have another complete reset. The same as when any manager leaves or gets sacked! Can you tell me the last manager we had, that did exactly the same, as the one previous?
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Post by chilly1883 on Jun 10, 2021 10:48:50 GMT
So I realise as a bit of a newbie on this forum that I might be opening myself to accusations ‘of not being one of us’ etc ect, but please hear me out as I just want to depart my tuppence on the ownership situation. When Wael arrived we were all but a league one club. Not having any argument that he took us up in 2016 because he didn’t. That was DC and Higgs’s success and he made a point of very publicly glorying in it. Fair enough I suppose. We now find ourselves a league two club so he’s taken us back a division as far as league position entails. Devolution not evolution then. Stadium? No progress. However more alarming for me is the way it appears Wael is easily led. Feels like he bought too much into the Garner project, we got punished. Influenced too much by Widdrington and Starnes to appoint Tisdale, didn’t go well. Now we’ve allowed the next manager to have control to appoint members to the board, fire entire departments, bring a whole host of figures including Jennings who I’ve heard is next. Who let’s a new manager wield that kind of power? Like Joey and want him to do well, but if the high bar he’s set himself this season isn’t reached which lets be fair is a possibility considering our struggles in L2 in the past, it’ll all end up with tears. You may think its benevolent that Wael appears to be handling the debt situation but asked yourselves why did we rack up that amount of debt just to achieve 0 footballing success, no progress off the field and ultimately relegation in the first place? Even the beloved training ground is having issues, with planning having to be amended halfway through construction after the architects found that the building would not be fit for purpose for a football club. The result? A smallish building designed in the 1990s with a comically lack of windows, a small dingy shed for the gym, a couple of nice pitches and nothing much else. Will they be in for the start of next season? I encourage people to look at the training facilities of Oxford or Fleetwood, or MK Dons, to see how much of a downgrade this is to equivalent football clubs. Rovers fans lap it up due to the lack of progress thats ever been made off the field which is fair enough, but this development has not yet levelled the playing field to other modern football clubs around us, not by a long stretch. Then lets analyse his management of managers shall we? 3 managers have left with clouds over their heads amid rumours of friction with the board in GC, DC and PT. Does that smack of good management to you? The other manager BG got sacked after an atrocious record and the current manager JB, although I’m willing to give him time, has a pretty abysmal record too. Then there’s been fallings out with Ken Masters, fallings out with Steve Hamer, poor treatment of Mansell, embarrassing spat with the supporters club. Not exactly great headlines to accrue. I’m concerned about our future, genuinely concerned. It’s hard to say that but as the football club is close to my heart I’ve just got to speak out and say it. I’m concerned that Wael is rapidly running out funds and has bitten off more than he can chew, I’m concerned about the power we’ve randomly let one manager wield over the club, I’m concerned that an aging fan base and a run down stadium means trouble down the line too. So let me ask you this, say an alternative group of investors came forward, they had funds, reputable contacts in the game, genuine plans for improving the football club. Would this be a ripe opportunity for Wael to step aside? The man has the club at heart as he professes and I’ve not got many bad things to say about the man as a person, so I sincerely hope he considerers his future at the club long term and if the offer is right, steps a side and becomes one of us, a fan. Have a day off mate 👍🏽
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Post by chilly1883 on Jun 10, 2021 6:35:03 GMT
I think in the wider fan base it’s probably 85% at least want Barton. Forums tend to feature disagreeable and opinionated people. That isn’t a criticism, I am one of them. Hi to note this isnt an anti JB thread. Happy for him to have a chance but having a fairly new manager who has barely won a game for us since arriving be given the level of authority over non playing matters is completely unusual. The ability to hire and fire medical and fitness staff and bring his friends onto the board. That is the point of the thread thats been lost amongst the yawns and accusations of not backing him. You’ve just made this post, even more boring now 👏🏾👏🏾
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Post by chilly1883 on Jun 7, 2021 22:14:09 GMT
Been watching tournament football since Spain 82. Rule number one is never underestimate the Germans. This will be the first major tournament that England have been in since 1982 that I won’t be watching a single game. Absolutely no faith in Southgate - decided not to put myself through the frustration and misery of another talented group of players being wasted by the wrong choice of manager. love to see what your up to, if we actually did alright! Would you watch it through yer fingers 🤣
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Post by chilly1883 on Jun 6, 2021 19:01:04 GMT
Did we not go up first attempt, after beating Dagenham? Or was one the finest days ever, at the Mem, all a dream🤣 We fell into non league before we came back the second time. my point is, we were in league 2 for one season
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Post by chilly1883 on Jun 6, 2021 17:41:16 GMT
What???
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Post by chilly1883 on Jun 6, 2021 17:25:21 GMT
I could write an elaborate and very long reply but I genuinely CBA. There are those who will just blindly support the owner and board, regardless of how much the debts were increased since the takeover and how many errors have been made. There is faithful and true then there is blind loyalty. I will never understand those that do not question and my own view is that, if we do not get out of the basement league at first go then I genuinely fear we have not seen the worst of things. Small wonder the 💩 call us the gift. That’s all I will say as I really do have other things to do But it’s evident he’s cleared the debt down. You can hardly criticise him for increasing the debt if he’s willing to pay it all off at the end to the point it’s lower than what it was when he took over. That’s not blind faith that’s basic maths. We’ve been down to league 2 twice before, and we’ve not got back at first attempt and have found our way back to league one in the end. If we don’t get up first time we will be fine in the long term even if it’s bloody annoying and costs us as a club. Did we not go up first attempt, after beating Dagenham? Or was one the finest days ever, at the Mem, all a dream🤣
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Post by chilly1883 on Jun 4, 2021 6:04:30 GMT
I think over recent years he has written off about £85 mllion the equivalent of about £7.50, left in Steve’s suit trousers!
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Post by chilly1883 on May 31, 2021 20:09:54 GMT
Should BB sign for Rovers it would all be about game management. Play him at home and on decent away pitches . Dont play him in midweek games (if there is a saturday home game). Dont over train him . You might say that's a lot of wages for 23 games a season. Win 23 games and you get direct promotion. cheers pep 👍🏽
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Post by chilly1883 on May 31, 2021 9:27:14 GMT
gaschat, Surely you can see that we lacked leadership last season with far too many inexperienced players in the squad. We need experienced pros and the four signings look exactly that. Hardly journeymen and i think it is sensible to give one year contracts to players over 30. If they play well and we are successful then offer them another year at the end.I am sure that they will all turn out to be honest pros and will set an example with their pride and performances. Trouble with some of our supporters is that the club is damned if it does and damned if it doesn't. Gaschat, surely you can see? 🤣🤣
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Post by chilly1883 on May 28, 2021 21:15:51 GMT
Hanlan is the worst player i've seen at the Mem. you’ve obviously not been watching Rovers very long then?
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Post by chilly1883 on May 28, 2021 6:28:44 GMT
He’s not replying back then? Next!
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Post by chilly1883 on May 27, 2021 6:50:37 GMT
Not as bad as sounding like a stuck record all the time. I hope they all turn out to be good. Dont know anything particulary bad about the other 3 signings. Mark Hughes and Coutts have plenty of experience and been round the block. On the face of it solid additions Rather not have a 'character' like Finley though how is it, on that ivory tower?
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