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Post by chilly1883 on Jan 29, 2019 16:26:09 GMT
Sour grapes, they beat us, end of! We couldn’t get past them, need to question our side not there’s. To be fair, we're still allowed to discuss games we lose. of course we are, but winning ugly is still winning. I’d rather be in there boat at the moment.
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Post by chilly1883 on Jan 29, 2019 14:03:08 GMT
Sour grapes, they beat us, end of! We couldn’t get past them, need to question our side not there’s.
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Post by chilly1883 on Jan 28, 2019 6:55:53 GMT
Why not support our team in numbers, look at the wider picture, make a protest against our lack of investment in our team! We’re in the sh** at the moment, big time. We need these revenues massively. f**k the tournament, let’s be honest, it’s always been sh**e until the semis, nothing’s changed. Take it for what it is. Cash for a club seemingly on its knees. UTG
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Post by chilly1883 on Jan 27, 2019 16:25:16 GMT
Bristol Bulldogs at Eastville hope that rider was ok? sh**, he hit that fence😩
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Post by chilly1883 on Jan 27, 2019 13:18:01 GMT
What a sorry desperate situation, we find ourselves in
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Post by chilly1883 on Jan 26, 2019 18:54:49 GMT
why have I read it incorrectly? Read my previous post , should of done that instead of getting chopsy. i really don’t know what your getting at, so I’ll leave it there.
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Post by chilly1883 on Jan 26, 2019 18:46:34 GMT
Ah , instead of admitting you read the post incorrectly you reply with yet another silly post , classy , very classy. why have I read it incorrectly?
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Post by chilly1883 on Jan 26, 2019 18:39:33 GMT
Read the post, he said he wasn’t present for our conference final game, not a big game?? I did read it , you’re choosing to miss the beginning of the post , which is what I was replying too , so wind your neck in and you read the post wind your neck in 🤡
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Post by chilly1883 on Jan 26, 2019 18:31:56 GMT
Read the post, he said he wasn’t present for our conference final game, not a big game??
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Post by chilly1883 on Jan 26, 2019 18:30:07 GMT
We have 5 days to sort a striker, I personally don’t think we’ll get anyone in, found it disturbing, when GC said he’s more than happy to work with what we’ve got😩
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Post by chilly1883 on Jan 26, 2019 12:18:03 GMT
Several reasons not to go. Wembley has now lost it's appeal, I have been to many times. It is expensive and an inconvenience to watch Rovers play at a Stadium (which is now just another stadium) 100 miles away. The competition is irrevelent And most importantly I hate the music they play at the end of the game Amarillo etc. It isn't bloody darts. The last final I went to was at Millennium in 2007 and I was bored to tears only went so my son could see the stadium. Did not go to Conference play off final. Probably would not go again unless Championship play off final. FA cup or League cup well done for not supporting your team in big games👏
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Post by chilly1883 on Jan 26, 2019 10:36:40 GMT
I believe them, I'm no sheep You however are just peddling scare mongering conspiracy theories. One of us is correct, one isn't really you believe them it being trailed in this cup to see what the reaction is to having u23 on league please tell me you can see that? i personally do not think we’ll ever see u23 sides in the league format. But if you do, fine. Does that make me a sheep? I’ve not been to any checkatrade games, but that’s because there generally sh**e until this stage. But I’ll go to the Sunderland game, be nice to see a good away following too. UTG
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Post by chilly1883 on Jan 25, 2019 23:34:21 GMT
Hope it's all worth it for those enthusiastic few finks when we get beaten by City U23s in a few years. we haven’t played them for 18 years in the league, so bring it on👍🏽
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Post by chilly1883 on Jan 25, 2019 23:29:43 GMT
Did any of you break away non watchers listen to talk sport today?, EFL representative was asked categorically, if this format was being trialled for U21 sides to eventually play in football league. The answer was NO, Never.
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Post by chilly1883 on Jan 24, 2019 19:13:19 GMT
Hamer turnt up? Landing lights not working
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Post by chilly1883 on Jan 24, 2019 18:10:30 GMT
Sercs came into "My Garage" today at Emerson's green, so I quizzed him about the rumours, does not know where they came from, really nice bloke. should of tied up him to your diesel drum! Boys going nowhere 👍🏽
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Post by chilly1883 on Jan 24, 2019 18:06:10 GMT
If anyone is interested (or can be bothered), I had quite an argument over email with the EFL about their crap tournament last season. (I started with a fairly annoyed email out of pure frustration, but didn't expect a reply, so I had to get quite serious about it) Get rid of it or get rid of these ridiculous B teams.
Does this article really help your England youth players? www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42246392
Fans are boycotting across country, don't you get the picture?
But let me guess what the reply will be, "clubs voted for the format this season" - but let's look at why! Because you basically bribed them with large cash payments if teams do well. Shouldn't you be REPRESENTING FOOTBALL LEAGUE TEAMS? Take a non-bias stance, don't offer any stupid bonuses, just put out a vote of what clubs want and you'll get your real answer.
Your dictatorship is a disgrace. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello Jack, Thank you for your further email regarding the Checkatrade Trophy, we note your comments. In terms of the format, essentially, the reasons for the competition revamp have been communicated extensively since the start of last season (https://www.efl.com/news/2017/may/checkatrade-trophy-competition-gets-backing-from-league-one-and-league-two-clubs/), and all clubs voted on these changes and a continuation of the new format, albeit with some amends for 2017/18. Clubs were free to consult with their own fans regarding the competition changes and progress, and many took comprehensive steps to do so following the successful 2016/17 Final in April. All of this consultation, combined with clubs’ own feedback, was aired and discussed across club meetings to shape the competition. EFL clubs were in agreement that there were clear benefits for them in reinvigorating the competition. Some of the progressive elements of the new structure include benefits regarding player development and financial return. In relation to team selection, the amended criteria for EFL clubs and Category One (invited) sides from 2017/18 is clear in that for EFL clubs, 4 out of 10 (excluding goalkeeper) must be a qualifying outfield Player (defined as having played in the game prior to or after the Checkatrade game, or have achieved a certain number of career appearances). For invited Category One teams the requirement is that six from the starting 11 must be under the age of 21 as at 30 June 2017. Chelsea and Leicester City met that requirement in the fixture you refer/link to. However overall the competition, while not exclusively a 'youth' competition, is having a positive influence in terms of young player exposure to competitive first team football. Five players from the England-U17 World Cup winning squad have featured in this seasons Checkatrade Trophy, continuing the trend from last season, when seven of the England U19 European Championship winning team featured during the tournament. There has also been an increase in young players participating in the Checktrade Trophy this season, with 27.3% of players in Matchdays 1 and 2 being English and Under-21, an increase on the figure from the whole of last season's campaign. Once again, we understand your personal views and recognise that not all fans may have approved of the change of format, however clubs have agreed to the existing arrangements until the end of the 2018/19 season upon which there is likely to be further review. Thank you for contacting the EFL. Regards, Andrew Pomfret------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Hello Andrew, You're bending statistics here. Yes, they were communicated but you offered 3 options, where number 1 (the one the EFL wanted let's be honest here) seemed to have a nice cash bonus. That's verging on bribery. Why didn't you offer increasing the competition prize money for option 2? I wonder why... Why isn't there an option that clubs do not have to participate. How about you make it that a club has to apply to be part of this competition, considering it is so prestigious. I wonder how many would apply, how many do you think? Wouldn't that be fairer? In your point regarding a EFL team must play a certain amount of players, why? Why are EFL clubs not allowed the opportunity to play 11 of their youngsters for good first team experience in what is a tantalizing competition? Or does the EFL only care about future players from Premier League teams now? In fact, let's look at the last England first 11 (who you may have heard of) and where they started their careers; Joe Hart (Shrewsbury) Kyle Walker (Sheffield United) Joe Gomez (Charlton) John Stones (Barnsley) Harry Maguire (Sheffield United) Ryan Bertrand (Gillingham) Ruben Loftus-Cheek (Chelsea) Jamie Vardy (Sheffield Wednesday) Eric Dier (Sporting CP) Jake Livermore (Tottenham) Marcus Rashford (Manchester United) I have highlighted players from the last England game who are not from Premier League teams. That is 7/11 from EFL teams. Only 3 were actually from Premier League teams. However, if a team did want to give their players the experience, what will happen, they will get a fine because of the one sided dictatorship that the EFL has imposed with this competition.
Now you actually mentioned here about 6/11 must be under 21. Why not 11/11? Do you think it's fair that Chelsea U-21's could host Hazard, Kante, Pedro, Morata & Fabregas whilst playing Accrington Stanley? Please do not mention the final between Coventry & Oxford as successful. The EFL were lucky to have 2 teams with large followings who wanted to see their team play at Wembley in 1 game. Instead of twisting figures, why don't you look at Coventry & Oxford's average attendances in the league Vs their home attendances in the Checkatrade Trophy. But if you want to put figures in your advantage, I put this to you - How many fans do you think Accrington Stanley Vs Yeovil would attract if it made it to the final? Would it be 70,000? When/If it didn't reach 70,000 fans, would you admit that the tournament wasn't successful? I doubt it. Here's another example, Portsmouth Vs Bristol Rovers - Checkatrade Trophy game. Bristol Rovers made the maximum amount of changes they could. In the 2nd minute, Bristol Rovers made a substitution of goal keepers. Bristol Rovers were then fined for breaching rules of the competition. What was wrong with Bristol Rovers putting a GK on that actually played in the Conference Playoff Final for them? Using the Checkatrade trophy as England's success story for youth football is really clutching at straws here too. When England don't win the World Cup this summer, will you be saying that the tournament failed? When England don't win the Euro's in 2020, will you say the competition was a complete and utter disaster? At the end of the day, look at the real figures - attendances. That will tell you what people really think. In fact, why don't you put a survey out every EFL fan and ask their opinion? Why don't you? We both know why you won't. Looking forward to your reply, Jack----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Hello Jack,
Thanks for your reply.
The current format of the competition was voted for by our member clubs. The EFL operates a democratic membership structure whereby our members can vote for regulations and competition changes. Collectively, as has been reported, they agreed to one-season trial for 2016/17 and then, following a period of review, a continuation of that format (with some amendments), at the start of this season.
We should clarify that the EFL is not profit making, in the sense that finances are used to run our competitions and to share and distribute prize monies to our members.
The reason why EFL clubs are not permitted to name starting XI of all U21 players is because the Checkatrade Trophy is primarily a first team EFL competition, and in effect, for our clubs it is a continuation of the same competition that came before (Johnstone’s Paint Trophy). Therefore the U21 Category One teams are invited to participate in an EFL competition, hence the rules regarding selection criteria differ. It is important to try to establish a balance but again, this framework was discussed and agreed by our members.
By way of some context, it was accepted that the previous format of the Trophy was struggling and hence, the trial period and prize fund incentive was intended to provide enhanced support to clubs and reinvigorate the competition. The new Checkatrade Trophy format contributed to a prize fund of £1.95 million in the 2016/17 season, compared to the previous season’s £478k. Last season clubs accumulated over £750,000 in prize money from the group stages alone with the introduction of £10,000 for a win and £5,000 for a draw. Around 96% of League One and Two Clubs received prize money in the competition compared to only 52% in the 2015/16 season and this season for the first time 100% of clubs received prize money of some form. Inevitably this is clearly of benefit for clubs and to provide a few examples Peterborough, Lincoln and Forest Green and several others are using these finances to cover such things as first team travel costs for a number of league fixtures, completion of 3G training pitches, contributing to training ground redevelopments, and in enhancing in-stadia catering and entertainment facilities for fans. You can read more about this here www.efl.com/news/2018/january/efl-clubs-benefit-from-checkatrade-trophy/
Of course, we are aware of some of the fan sentiment around the competition and recognise that some attendances last season weren’t where we or our clubs wanted them to be, however there has been a significant increase in attendances this season, with overall like for like attendances up by 17% along with the aforementioned increase in opportunities for young players throughout the game. Naturally the early stages of cup competitions can result in lower attendances than a club would normally get for league fixtures, this being true for other competitions such as in the first and second rounds of the FA Cup for example. In addition, while there have been some notably high attendances in many EFL Trophy finals over the years, this is always impacted by the clubs who reach the final, with some clubs having larger fanbases than others. This is also borne out in our League One and Two Play-Off Final for example.
That said, we have got Checkatrade Trophy competition feedback from supporters by way of our formal structured engagement sessions with representatives of Football Supporters Federation and Supporters Direct, and directly at our Fan Forum events last and this season, and along with our clubs we will continue to note all constructive feedback in the context of any future discussions on the competition.
Once again thank you for contacting the EFL with your feedback.
Regards, Andrew Pomfret-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Hello Andrew, Thanks for getting back to me, firstly I want to thank you for all of your thought through replies - my original email was purely to vent frustration rather than anything else. However, I must comment that I do believe you should go into politics as you have only really answered 1 of my questions and have chosen to point out any positive (where possible) the EFL believes in. Which leads me onto the first point that really, if the EFL really believes that this competition is working so well, then never before have you been further away from the fan base of EFL teams. I accept your answer to why we cannot play younger players in the competition, but you have not addressed as to why these U-21 teams can play 5 players over 21. If it is under 21, it should be U-21. Again, I'd like to refer to my point of the Chelsea squad that can compete in the competition (Hazard, Kante, Pedro, Morata & Fabregas could all focus in the same game of this competition). Whilst very nice that you have raised competition money, firstly, you have raised the prize money that suit what the EFL wants. Why didn't you raise the prize money for keeping it the same format? I have asked this before, but it was ignored. Now let's look at how this new system really benefits clubs, shall we? To do this, we need to look at a game where it was the same teams playing each other. Luckily enough I managed to find one for you!: Old Format: 7th October 2014. Portsmouth Vs Northampton. Attendance 5,853. New Format: 2nd December 2017. Portsmouth Vs Northampton. Attendance 1,780. Difference in fans = 4,073 less. Portsmouth won the game in 2017 meaning the receive £10,000GBP. However, in the old format, if Portsmouth charged just £5 per fan on the difference of attendance (4,073x 5) they would have received £20,365. So not only have you annoyed the fans, you have actually lost Portsmouth money. Never mind if they actually charged people £10 attendance which is probably more likely, which would have been £40,760. So a £30,760 loss for Portsmouth. But the EFL will sing praises how this is better for Portsmouth now to play against 5 players above the age of 21 from the Chelsea squad. If you're looking for suggestions (if you actually are and aren't just nodding along) then here are some (based on the fact that no matter what happens, the EFL will carry on wish this pathetic and insulting format) ; Allow EFL clubs to play whoever they want (after all the competition is for EFL clubs, NOT U-21 clubs) Create a rule that these invited teams can only play players that are 21 or under. Create a rule that these invite teams can only play English players (after all, this was for English youth wasn't it?!) Create an application process, where EFL teams in L1&L2 have to apply to be part of this competition. Those who don't take part will not benefit from the additional prize money & those who do, will benefit from a larger prize fund. If clubs start realizing that certain teams are making millions because others refuse to join, trust me, you'll see the directors of clubs start over-ruling fans & managers and they will enter & actually WANT to take part. Looking forward to hearing from you, Jack-------------------------------------------------------------------------------Hello Jack,
Thanks again for your feedback and thoughts, we’ll ensure this is passed on to the relevant departments.
As mentioned clubs will no doubt collectively discuss the progress of the competition again at a relevant point in future, and again, along with our clubs we will continue to note all constructive feedback in the context of any future discussions on the competition.
Should you be a supporter of an EFL club participating in the competition, we would recommend you contact them with your suggestions. They may be able to advise you of their current position, and simultaneously they can feed your comments into their processes going forward.
Thank you again for contacting the EFL.
Regards, Andrew Pomfretgood work Jack, very constructive and informative 👏
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Post by chilly1883 on Jan 24, 2019 7:44:05 GMT
Who cares who we get? sh** competition anyway 😂 Train tickets to London booked👍🏽
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Post by chilly1883 on Jan 22, 2019 15:52:15 GMT
Any sign of the £2 sausage roll as promised ? already run out👍🏽
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Post by chilly1883 on Jan 22, 2019 11:49:07 GMT
I’m already here🤷🏽♂️
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