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Post by inee on Mar 19, 2019 9:29:49 GMT
Stuart - We all know the problem is not where they come from, but the religion they follow. That wasn't the point being made. Stu if your referencing the post by e4 then yes that religion is mentioned on the 2nd line in brackets i'm suprised you missed it. Not aimed at you but i can never work out why people never seem to digest a post and seem to miss these things yest may be in brackets but it's there
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Post by inee on Mar 19, 2019 9:17:42 GMT
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Post by inee on Mar 18, 2019 16:40:20 GMT
Gordon
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Post by inee on Mar 18, 2019 16:37:28 GMT
Yeeee Haaa Rollin Rollin Rollin, Keep them doggies Rollin Can't decide on the accent of the yeee haaa ,was it jello biafra or the blues brothers your impersonating.
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Post by inee on Mar 18, 2019 16:34:58 GMT
Anyone aware of the new online Porn law coming into place in two weeks time? Apparently, to watch porn online you must either:- a. Buy a Tosser Licence from your newsagent, cost 4.99. b. Upload something to prove your age ie. driving licence, credit card details, bank account details. c. I can't remember the third way. What can possibly go wrong? False screens asking you to upload details of your credit card. Data hacked, resulting in blackmail threats. Haven't these cretins in Parliament got better things to do than this? I knew something was around the corner but not that ,still a fiver to look at pictures of British motorcycles is well worth it you did say porn dint you
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Post by inee on Mar 18, 2019 16:33:16 GMT
Anyone aware of the new online Porn law coming into place in two weeks time? Apparently, to watch porn online you must either:- a. Buy a Tosser Licence from your newsagent, cost 4.99. b. Upload something to prove your age ie. driving licence, credit card details, bank account details. c. I can't remember the third way. What can possibly go wrong? False screens asking you to upload details of your credit card. Data hacked, resulting in blackmail threats. Haven't these cretins in Parliament got better things to do than this? They are also going to use facial recognition. I have a photo of Baggins ready to prove I am a proper tosser. Cheers Hugo needed a laugh today ,where do i send the bill for a new keyboard
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Post by inee on Mar 18, 2019 16:30:34 GMT
Top marks for originality to be fair. I hate it when the same generic football chants get recycled by every club. What, like "Oh when the Gas......"? Ahem. I've never heard that un Hugo , thought it was Oh when the sh** get kicked to f**k
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Post by inee on Mar 18, 2019 15:41:32 GMT
Good afternoon Ladies and Gentlemen I have been reading the thread with interest. I know very little about economics and little qualified to decide wether we leave The EU or not. But thought I would offer an interesting fact. According to Betfair (which is quite volatile at the moment and changing every 5 minutes) there is now a 40% chance we will leave the EU before the end of June and a 60% we will leave The EU after the end of June. Apparently neithr does anyone else, so can you put a ten spot on the one with the best odds ,i will of course not hesitate to pay your tenner back out the winnings
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Post by inee on Mar 18, 2019 15:27:40 GMT
We can debate the reports until trump turns us to glass ,unfortunately these types of data doesn't drill down enough for people like me to say who is at fault as if it was drilled down then the reports would firmly show who was to blame but as we seem to be in a no blame culture that will never happen. so we will have to agree to disagree on that one So if we don't manage our resources on the evidence available, the researched data, on what exactly do we manage upon? Somebody's ill informed opinion gleaned down the pub after one personal experience? The only evidence available is a set of figures that only shows targets are missed, the evidence is lacking in regards as to why the targets are missed ,surely a self professed money man like yourself realises the reasons why targets are missed is not pointed out or addressed ,the only slight attempt to address this is the mention of was it 3000 or seven thousand extra people through a&e each day. I'm also sure that if someone in any other type of company handed in a report like that the would have their balls nailed to the table ,take one of your previous employers the techs in the field will have a detailed set of data about their performance from the second they start with the company till the time they leave ,this will be either on a database like oracle or some other db software which constantly compiles data , so if targets were missed within a few hours the answer will be available. I'm not sure its researched data i rather suspect it's automatically compiled from a patients record on the pc Fyi the ill informed opinion from down the pub ,was several experiences from my own dealings and that of my family ,the longest experience i have is he continual help and care our daughter(R.I.P) received up until her death ,so yup totally uninformed
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Post by inee on Mar 18, 2019 15:07:14 GMT
You really a piece of work arn't you lets try and help you a bit. People call you leftie ,yes you have said you are so called liberal ,however you seldom answer questions yourself .rather you then either call people names ,question peoples intelligence and always attack the poster not the post,then cry to the world that everyone does it to you ,there is an saying don't dish it out if you cant take it ,which are the tactics lefties use all the time. You are labelled arrogant because if you take a dislike to someone the personal attacks begin. People question your answer on debt because you only seem to post links ,whilst asking other to prove that any links they post are correct then laugh ,when people don't agree with you. Complete and utter tosh no one relentlessly took the water out of your wife(RIP) ,you were asked if you would house an isis member as you constantly appeared to side with it coming home ,people were talking about a brainwashing cult that believes it's a religion when the the fact of the matter is you took the water out of that cult yourself ,you then get a cob on and tell us not to comment on stuff you posted about that cult so it's ok for you to take the water out of a cut but it's not ok for anyone else ,this seems to be a constant through out all your posts when people disagree with you (i am in no way taking the water out of your wife(RIP) ). You say you never get a properly constructed argument(i thought it was a debate ) refuting points you make, have you ever wondered why if your still unsure please read the above again as every time someone disagrees the personal attacks start ,so if you really want to debate with others then allow them to have their say ,the answer then back without the name calling I saved your comment about jagass till last as have you not worked out yet that the person you keep attacking personally is in fact you but from a different side of the mirror.
Good post Inee!
As CPL Jones said they don't like it up em
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Post by inee on Mar 18, 2019 15:02:29 GMT
Was there any need for that dig , i read the file however it leaves out more than it answers ,it doesn't breakdown if the visit was required ,or if appointments are missed ,as i said before stats can mean anything the writer wants ,or if the treatment went over the time limits. However if as claimed several thousand more people a day use a&e then of course targets will be missed and figures skewed,likewise how many appointments or ops been cancelled due to unforeseen emergencies arising ,or extra procedures need to be carried out during an operation. If as you say the nhs is ranked 30th in the world then maybe the nhs needs to send staff for extra training or qualifications ,again where is the report breaking down why people died ,as i said in my other reply yes we know there are delays but we will never know why as the data is manipulated. sorry inee that was in response to Eric who said he didn't need or want statistics and reports. Not at all personal although I appreciate I addressed you both. Data isn't manipulated it's just data. Preventable deaths have a definition and consistency in measurement against all countries. There will be a myriad of reasons why people died but it doesn't change the definition of a preventable death and that we are not avoiding as many as 29 other countries. We can debate the reports until trump turns us to glass ,unfortunately these types of data doesn't drill down enough for people like me to say who is at fault as if it was drilled down then the reports would firmly show who was to blame but as we seem to be in a no blame culture that will never happen. so we will have to agree to disagree on that one
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Post by inee on Mar 18, 2019 14:58:06 GMT
I'm fairly sure A and E figures have risen because people can't access a GP so they are just presenting at A&E just to get seen by someone. I'll have to Google some evidence, but I'm sure I've read it somewhere. That's a point i made in a previous post ,weve had this exact thing discussed before where my opinion is that if you misuse a&e in that way then you should be billed, i remember how that thread went
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Post by inee on Mar 18, 2019 14:54:30 GMT
I`d love to see you take yourself off to a pub, in one of the hopelessly deprived areas of South Wales, or the Midlands, or the Northeast, and sit down and talk to people who voted leave, because there is so little in their lives, that they struggle to see how things could be any worse for them.
They voted leave, because maybe... just maybe, it might improve their lot.
Using the same patronising tones that you do on here, you could tell them about your "25 rip roaring years in the city", and that you`ve come to save them from the consequences of their own foolish actions. I`ll sit quietly in the corner and come and rescue you, when the furniture starts getting broken.
And I would do it, gladly. Indeed as,I have done in my local area. What you ignore, or perhaps do not understand, it is I that have argued ling and hard against, for example, austerity, which in my opinion impacts those on the lowest incomes the most. I have linked this sense of hopelessness to the leave vote, for example my little ditty about Stockton on Tees in reply to Nobby, pages ago on this thread. You see, I agree with you. A key driver of the leave vote was the creeping sense of helplessness in far to large a proportion of the population of the UK. But to solve it you don't shoot yourself in the kneecaps. It is also strange that people who like your opinion on this are the very same people who get angry at me for my pro European views based upon economic good, who themselves could not argue the case for how the people we are talking about (the example you quoted) will have their improved by leaving the EU. If I argue against Austerity, people like Eric call me a loony leftie. If I argue for the best economic outcome for everyone I am labelled arrogant and detached. If I argue for investment in public services I have an opinion, for example, expressed by Eric which is in complete contradiction to the facts in terms of debt impairment. If I argue for social liberalism I get the usual disgusting remarks by Jaggas, or the relentless water taken out of me and my late wife's culture (itself a false premise) What I never get is a properly constructed argument refuting points I may raise. You really a piece of work arn't you lets try and help you a bit. People call you leftie ,yes you have said you are so called liberal ,however you seldom answer questions yourself .rather you then either call people names ,question peoples intelligence and always attack the poster not the post,then cry to the world that everyone does it to you ,there is an saying don't dish it out if you cant take it ,which are the tactics lefties use all the time. You are labelled arrogant because if you take a dislike to someone the personal attacks begin. People question your answer on debt because you only seem to post links ,whilst asking other to prove that any links they post are correct then laugh ,when people don't agree with you. Complete and utter tosh no one relentlessly took the water out of your wife(RIP) ,you were asked if you would house an isis member as you constantly appeared to side with it coming home ,people were talking about a brainwashing cult that believes it's a religion when the the fact of the matter is you took the water out of that cult yourself ,you then get a cob on and tell us not to comment on stuff you posted about that cult so it's ok for you to take the water out of a cut but it's not ok for anyone else ,this seems to be a constant through out all your posts when people disagree with you (i am in no way taking the water out of your wife(RIP) ). You say you never get a properly constructed argument(i thought it was a debate ) refuting points you make, have you ever wondered why if your still unsure please read the above again as every time someone disagrees the personal attacks start ,so if you really want to debate with others then allow them to have their say ,the answer then back without the name calling I saved your comment about jagass till last as have you not worked out yet that the person you keep attacking personally is in fact you but from a different side of the mirror.
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Post by inee on Mar 18, 2019 13:57:50 GMT
Dear inee and eric, I'm glad your experience of the health service has been positive. Unfortunately it is not the same for many others. Here is a very recent and very readable parliamentary briefing paper on NHS performance vs targets in a number of areas. It will show you (page 3 for the headlines) that we are failing and have reached new highs in waits for cancer care referrals, referral times for consultant led care and A and E targets. researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-7281/CBP-7281.pdfPlease do not allow your self proclaimed ignorance of the statistics to cloud your judgement. People are suffering as a result and if not you now, then someone else now, and perhaps you later... I think it's a very dangerous thing when we close our eyes and ears and the public should be putting pressure on the right agencies to garner improvement. Remember as I said that the NHS ranks 30th in the world at avoiding preventable deaths. That is one of the lowest ranked in the western world. That is not a carefully selected statistic that is a fact sadly. Was there any need for that dig , i read the file however it leaves out more than it answers ,it doesn't breakdown if the visit was required ,or if appointments are missed ,as i said before stats can mean anything the writer wants ,or if the treatment went over the time limits. However if as claimed several thousand more people a day use a&e then of course targets will be missed and figures skewed,likewise how many appointments or ops been cancelled due to unforeseen emergencies arising ,or extra procedures need to be carried out during an operation. If as you say the nhs is ranked 30th in the world then maybe the nhs needs to send staff for extra training or qualifications ,again where is the report breaking down why people died ,as i said in my other reply yes we know there are delays but we will never know why as the data is manipulated.
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Post by inee on Mar 17, 2019 19:45:57 GMT
mince
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Post by inee on Mar 17, 2019 19:35:41 GMT
Sadly Baggs some people don't want to hear it, no matter the facts slap them in the face like a smoked kipper. I've had to use the NHS way too much in the past 20 years and during that time I've not noticed any change in timescales or quality of service, neither have I noticed any change to the quality of policing and the only negative impact our family have noticed in education is more time and resource being required due to increasing numbers of non English speaking pupils. I'd rather rely on my eyes, ears and experiences than your carefully selected statistics and articles. As with yourself if me or anyone else i know needed treatment it was available, when Ann-Marie Irene (R.I.P) was with us she had regular appointments ,and home visits her epilepsy nurse visited every week and if she needed seeing for her other ailments he would be straight on the phone sporting it out, it really is humbling to see the devotion of these people to their patients
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Post by inee on Mar 17, 2019 19:30:05 GMT
Hold up there bags ,under this government i have had no problems accessing the Nhs (2 admissions ,1 operation with support after the op) nor had issues with waiting times for op's ,if you're not getting the help you need change gp. In fact in our case Ann-Marie Irene(R.I.P) needed some adaptions to help in her day to day life ,her health care professional were constantly told by the Nhs and Bcc that no money was available ,this was sorted out partly in 2011 and 2014. I am glad things worked out for you. But the figures don't lie. On a personal level i don't know anyone who has had to wait a long time to get an operation You don't really believe your last sentence do you ,figures do lie and always will ,it depends on who compiles the data and what end result they require ,look at unemployment figures to get it low there are several categories ,peopled data is moved around between the categories depending on what figures they want to release ,as are police crime figures. I'm not going to say waiting time targets are always met it would be an impossible task to meet all targets ,don't forget not everyone turns up to appointments or operations (reasons are many and varied) so that will always put a negative slant on waiting list figures. Yes people are sent home if an emergency arises but that's life ,other reasons include fekwitted asshats who treat a&e like a gp's surgery and then pish n moan if they are forced to wait a long time this also impacts on waiting time figures. As an aside whenever i have been admitted to southmead i have always found staff courteous and professional (Be polite to the staff and they will be polite back) ,the rooms i was in was cleaned regularly to regular every 3/4 hour or so (took me a while to work out why but that's another story )
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Post by inee on Mar 17, 2019 17:42:20 GMT
The Blair/Brown government knew they had left us up sh** creek when they lost power and thought it was quite funny that the incoming government had a gigantic mess to clear up - who could forget the note left in the treasury laughing about no money being left. No point arguing with you on this if you think austerity is some sort of hobby carried out by the 'Tory elite' to have fun at the expense of poor people. And since they've been in Government they've done what? Increased Policing? Nope. Improved Schooling? Nope. Reduced National debt? Nope. Reduced patient waiting time? Nope. In fact, they've done exactly the opposite. And how long have they had? They are completely and utterly useless. Hold up there bags ,under this government i have had no problems accessing the Nhs (2 admissions ,1 operation with support after the op) nor had issues with waiting times for op's ,if you're not getting the help you need change gp. In fact in our case Ann-Marie Irene(R.I.P) needed some adaptions to help in her day to day life ,her health care professional were constantly told by the Nhs and Bcc that no money was available ,this was sorted out partly in 2011 and 2014.
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Post by inee on Mar 16, 2019 16:06:34 GMT
We will lose The only games we've won this year are the ones I haven't been to Sorry everyone. It's not you hugo, it's the crappy kit this year i said when it was unveiled we were in for a sh** season
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Post by inee on Mar 16, 2019 16:01:48 GMT
...and against Macclesfield too, who are just one place below them in the relegation zone. Come on Macclesfield! got a soft spot for macc
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