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Post by inee on Feb 18, 2019 11:12:16 GMT
I'll have a tenner that she gets nothing like ten years. There will be plenty of people backing her to be rehabilitated and spared jail plus she's already toning down her comments in interviews, in the first one she indicated she knew what she was getting into and it was everything she expected and even said seeing severed heads amongst daily rubbish did not phase her. The latest one is a bit different and indicates she is probably getting some advice. Fair enough, I just take a slightly different view. Not for liberal reasons, but practicality and rule of law. Leaving her specific case out of this, what should happen to those who left to fight and are captured? Capture by who as there are 2 very different answers , if caught by the country they are in then they should be tried under those laws, with no intervention from anyone outside that country, it does grate when someone get jailed in another country then demands help from the uk ,if your stupid enough to break another countries laws then you should be left ,no excuses as if you visit another country you should take time to look at the big no no's over there If caught by us or the yanks then the get bought back spoken to by a very nice person from our security forces then either let go(this is the preferred option it seems) ,or jailed on a very light sentence with unenforceable parole conditions. hundreds have come back only 80 or so jailed. not aimed at anyone but can people not see why so many people are opposed to our very cushy legal system. Once you renounce your uk citizenship that should be it you should be left to rot
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Post by inee on Feb 18, 2019 11:01:57 GMT
How about The new party of ex labour mp's who failed to oust corbyn despite him being elected as leader twice by the party party ,admittedly it would require a ballot paper of its own to get the name on
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Post by inee on Feb 17, 2019 21:43:45 GMT
Sadly Stuart the indications are she will not change as she doesnt want to...It seems all she wants now are the benefits of being a British citizen ie: free housing, free money and free healthcare. Only one way to find out, if you are right then she stays in free housing, ie HMP. I'm no one has mentioned that in all probability she will be given police protection, as seems to happen a lot these days
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Post by inee on Feb 17, 2019 21:34:47 GMT
I'm an ill informed w**ker go on what am i ill informed on you really are showing how narrow minded you are as if anyone dares to disagrees with you you fire insults (then get a strop on when you get them back) wow you have really good tolerance levels towards others haven't you. Reality wtf do you know about reality ,which part of my post offends you First paragraph i call you a grammar nazi (nazi spelt with a lowercase n as the word doesn't deserve a capital)which lets face it you are you seem to equate the ability to write in English with intelligence and believe only those who reach a standard set by you have the ability to debate ,i notice in this post you say debate but in others you say argue ,if you call these post argumentative then boy are you sensitive ,shall i lend you some Tramadol to ease you pain. Second paragraph also true you seem to be so fixated on brexit as when challenged in any thread you blame brexit, you appear fixated on losing money ,damn the Pink Floyd song could be about you, you appear to believe that every thought you have gained from reading a newspaper is correct and anyone elses sources are not credible, the reality is that until we leave no one knows what will happen. I mention your political motives as you constantly moan about anything that doesn't fit in with what the majority believe in, then have many slips into the racism you so hate (assuming someone was Indian because the poster said Asian). You believe anyone should be allowed just to walk into the uk from anywhere in the world even though there isn't a job or housing for them. You mention you lived in iran amongst the oh so peaceful dominant religion and claim you know everything about it ,but conveniently forget how much less tolerant that country is now. Third paragraph is based on your claim of your engagement with islam ,i only challenged you to got to a mosque of your favoured religion and explain your use of that religion and how you laugh because you got one over on em, i rather suspect they wouldn't be peaceful then would they, you seem to try and belittle anyone who dares criticise islam, however you are the one who has used that religion for your own personal gain, i know who would be punished the most in an islamic court, time and time again showing contempt not only to posters on this forum, but to the religion that can do no wrong in your opinion. The last bit of the third paragraph is an observation based on all your doom mongering ,we will run out of food etc ,the majority of us irrelevant can produce our own food. I always find those who think they are superior academically are about as useful as an ashtray on my motorbike in that many of them have absolutely no idea how to use their hands and would be amongst the first to die without all your creature comforts. whilst many irrelevant people like me will always have the luxury of being able to quickly build devices to allow us to survive, whilst people like yourself who have spent their live brown nosing and throwing people to the wind in order to have a bigger stash will not survive ,hence the final comment of dining on your cold long dead corpse ,however i suspect no one would as i presume human flesh tastes like its owner and in your case it would be very bitter indeed. ps I forgot to mention yes i am a w**ker like the majority of males i have indeed partaken in the pleasure of masturbation Probably best to end it there. I have no desire to engage in a personal slanging match with you, particularly as you appear to want to engage in elements of my personal life of which you know nothing. Good luck. Sorry but i just spat tea all over my keyboard ,i'm not getting personal i'm a long way from that believe me ,this is just a very slight disagreement ,i didn't think some one as educated as yourself would take it personally it's just a slight difference of opinion nothing more nothing less, if you feel it is anything other than that then i suggest you read my avatar. All i was doing was showing you that when the Dr Martin is on the other foot you get a cob on, i have not impinged on your personal life i have just focused on the hypocrisy of your own posts about your use of islam amongst others. My posts do not in anyway expose parts of your life you wanted to keep private as you are the one who shared them, so again people like you can't handle someone with a differing opinions, you believe that when you belittle someone they will not respond, this is a well known tactic of the left (probably why even though you claim to be a liberal most people assume you are a leftie). If anyone has started a slanging match it's you with your insults.
You tried to belittle me in one post as some said zieg heil my reply of we had one of those last year ,had no political or hate leanings ,it was merely a truth as i understand zieg to mean show.(so hail show get it ).
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Post by inee on Feb 17, 2019 21:09:18 GMT
Incarcerated for what? Why is no one asking questions of the father from Holland the new baby is half Dutch.Surely it's Hollands problem as well and they should be doing all they can to bring home one of their Muslim sons and his new family. Any crime she has committed as brought to court by the CPS. That's how it works, not a trial by a kangaroo court of Public opinion. Weird question oldie but do you 100% stand by and believe what you typed or is it just bandwagon jumping serious question
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Post by inee on Feb 17, 2019 21:06:48 GMT
Serious question. Your about to get on a train, and notice she is to be sat opposite you during your journey.
You would be happy to stay there sitting opposite her for the rest of your journey?
In truth she would probably go unnoticed by most. To answer your question, then if she is here on the terms I proposed then yes, I would. That is based n the point that to be there she would have been through the deradicalisation programme or be monitored. Without that, she would still be detained. The other thing to bear in mind is that she is 19, there is still time for her to change. Whether she will grasp the opportunity is down to her. Not being funny Stu but this has happened before ,others came back, jailed, released from jail then carried out terror attack, Is it worth the risk, it appears that it's trying to get back on her terms ,the more i read the more i believe it should be left to rot, said it won't come back if it can't keep it's kid or if the family can't have the kid ,the bitch should be sterilised ,also remember that it burnt it's passport and renounced british citizenship, destroyed it's phone and swore allegiance to isis, whored itself out to the bloke she was told to marry, says she had nothing to do with hurting people, sorry but everyone her so called husband killed she also had a hand in, she knew what was going on but like most cowards wants to come home because it easier. Like others have muted make her go to her hubby s homeland as surely her kid has dual nationality which is a thing a lot of wrong un's desire as they can choose which country to sponge of a very low percentage of terrorists are jailed on return
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Post by inee on Feb 17, 2019 20:25:49 GMT
Idiots like you are irrelevant ,you seem to have a complex where you think ,that you alone are better than everyone else ,you do realise that even public school educated people cannot spell every word in the dictionary ,as for yourself ,i bow to your superior english skills (how long do you really spend dressing up in your ss uniform before horse whipping your pc because the spell checker iis taking too long). You seem to be panicking over brexit typing pages and pages of sh**e ,because your scared you might lose some of your oh so precious money or may find it a tad uncomfortable due to us leaving the 4th reich. I may be a tad dyslexic my grammar may not be at the level of working class snob that your is , i do wonder what your political motive is at times you seem to think everyone should be allowed to just turn up in the uk and everything handed to them on a plate ,you also claim to have superior knowledge on every subject because you lived in a foreign country here and there ,of course those countries have not changed one bit have they. You claim to have a superior knowledge of islam to everyone else because you pretended to be one for your own gain ,which you seem proud of, here a challenge walk into your local mosque ,and proudly proclaim that you used islam for your own gain , i can tell you one thing you wouldn't be walking out of there on your own. Still when society has collapsed and you have nothing us irrelevants will be sat in our homes eating the food we grow ,openly laughing ,waiting to dine on your long dead cold corpse You are such an ill informed w**ker, it's embarrassing. Learn to communicate in English, with relevant knowledge, at which point we can debate reality I'm an ill informed w**ker go on what am i ill informed on you really are showing how narrow minded you are as if anyone dares to disagrees with you you fire insults (then get a strop on when you get them back) wow you have really good tolerance levels towards others haven't you. Reality wtf do you know about reality ,which part of my post offends you First paragraph i call you a grammar nazi (nazi spelt with a lowercase n as the word doesn't deserve a capital)which lets face it you are you seem to equate the ability to write in English with intelligence and believe only those who reach a standard set by you have the ability to debate ,i notice in this post you say debate but in others you say argue ,if you call these post argumentative then boy are you sensitive ,shall i lend you some Tramadol to ease you pain. Second paragraph also true you seem to be so fixated on brexit as when challenged in any thread you blame brexit, you appear fixated on losing money ,damn the Pink Floyd song could be about you, you appear to believe that every thought you have gained from reading a newspaper is correct and anyone elses sources are not credible, the reality is that until we leave no one knows what will happen. I mention your political motives as you constantly moan about anything that doesn't fit in with what the majority believe in, then have many slips into the racism you so hate (assuming someone was Indian because the poster said Asian). You believe anyone should be allowed just to walk into the uk from anywhere in the world even though there isn't a job or housing for them. You mention you lived in iran amongst the oh so peaceful dominant religion and claim you know everything about it ,but conveniently forget how much less tolerant that country is now. Third paragraph is based on your claim of your engagement with islam ,i only challenged you to got to a mosque of your favoured religion and explain your use of that religion and how you laugh because you got one over on em, i rather suspect they wouldn't be peaceful then would they, you seem to try and belittle anyone who dares criticise islam, however you are the one who has used that religion for your own personal gain, i know who would be punished the most in an islamic court, time and time again showing contempt not only to posters on this forum, but to the religion that can do no wrong in your opinion. The last bit of the third paragraph is an observation based on all your doom mongering ,we will run out of food etc ,the majority of us irrelevant can produce our own food. I always find those who think they are superior academically are about as useful as an ashtray on my motorbike in that many of them have absolutely no idea how to use their hands and would be amongst the first to die without all your creature comforts. whilst many irrelevant people like me will always have the luxury of being able to quickly build devices to allow us to survive, whilst people like yourself who have spent their live brown nosing and throwing people to the wind in order to have a bigger stash will not survive ,hence the final comment of dining on your cold long dead corpse ,however i suspect no one would as i presume human flesh tastes like its owner and in your case it would be very bitter indeed. ps I forgot to mention yes i am a w**ker like the majority of males i have indeed partaken in the pleasure of masturbation
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Post by inee on Feb 17, 2019 19:22:04 GMT
Inee said To answer the bit in bold your words were as follows, I think a key point here is were, or are, ISIS fighting the UK, so please explain your defence of isis terrorist attacks in this country as you stated you dont believe they have, despite some of those involved supporting isis, and evidence showing sympathy to isis in others (a strange point of view given your stance in other threads about the laws of this land). If you could rephrase that into a comprehensible paragraph or set of questions, then happy to engage. Lmao if you haven't got the skill set to read and understand that post, then i really feel sorry for you, still never mind , were you bullied at school as you really do have a superiority complex, in reality does it matter if posts are spelt properly or sentences not divided into paragraphs is it really beyond your tiny brain to be able to split test up. I really do feel sorry for people like you having to live amongst us commoners ,do you identify as a working class snob or are you a tampon no fecking use your just stuck up c unt
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Post by inee on Feb 15, 2019 21:30:50 GMT
Dear oh dear no one has committed any act of terrorism on british soil in the name of isis ,i didn't realise your depth of hatred for those killed in isis related attacks in the uk ,don't try and justify your post by saying you didn't mean it to read that way, you vilify jaggas for his opinions but openly type a post in defence of isis ,the only difference between your and his posts is you hate the people who were born and bred here. Much of the terrorism within the UK has been promoted and perpetrated by followers within Mosques funded in no small part by Saudi Arabia. ISIS will always claim responsibility as it's great propoganda. We are not at war with Saudi Arabia, so the hypocrisy is stunning. Your conflation of my post as in someway supporting ISIS is laughable. But you didn't answer the question. Are we, the West, fighting ISIS or defending our economic interests? Ok i will answer the question despite numerous questions you avoid answering. The answer is both of course we will try and protect our interests abroad which country wouldn't ,but at the same time need to destroy isis and any other terrorist organisations that threaten us. To answer the bit in bold your words were as follows, I think a key point here is were, or are, ISIS fighting the UK, so please explain your defence of isis terrorist attacks in this country as you stated you dont believe they have, despite some of those involved supporting isis, and evidence showing sympathy to isis in others (a strange point of view given your stance in other threads about the laws of this land).
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Post by inee on Feb 15, 2019 21:06:02 GMT
Glad to know. Personally I don't think anyone on here hates our country, despite the narrative some try to portray. We just have a different view on what is best. Laughable isn't it. It's the language of the shouty types who scream treason if a different view of Brexit is taken. no i thought the shouty types on here are the ones who think they are superior to everyone else because they feel that their posts are grammatically correct (i think the global word for these people is anal) and as such are superior thank feck they aren't teachers. Oh and in case you can't understand this post because i can't be arsed to spend ages running my posts through software to correct grammatical and spelling errors ,yes this reply is indeed to you oldie. As far as i'm aware nobody is accusing you of treason , besides wtf has this thread got to do with brexit
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Post by inee on Feb 15, 2019 16:03:57 GMT
Shhhhhhhhh don't let the truth get in the way of our country hating gashead friend Was that aimed at me inee? I thought you knew me better than that. no stu it wasn't aimed at you ,you know if it was i would've addressed you directly
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Post by inee on Feb 15, 2019 16:01:55 GMT
Had she been caught in the open during an air strike, I would shed no tears. However as things for IS are coming to an end then the risk of those who left this country filtering back and causing carnage here is real. I would rather we took them back, prosecuted them and put them away for years. She would also have her baby taken away (friend of mine is on the adoption list and would make a far better parent and bring up a baby that deserves to live in a safe environment, it's not the baby's fault and she has lost two others). This war, and IS, has claimed too many victims already, let's not become like them and hold up our humanity and rule of law proudly. Any dual nationals should have their passports revoked, though. It should be left where it is to face trial in the countries it actively helped to destroy . let it face justice according to the religion it so desperately believes in should be the best thing in this instance. however the lily livered sheep will say this is unfair , then sprout out some bollocks about how shes british so should be tried here sorry but if your stupid enough to break laws in other countries then you should be prepared to take the justice given out over there however bad it seem ,shes a good case compulsory sterilisation
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Post by inee on Feb 15, 2019 15:44:09 GMT
You simplify it too much.
There is a difference between having 'views', and using your British passport to join a terrorist organisation fighting your own country. Morally, the majority of UK citizens would want her stripped of it because of that, we all know it cant and would never happen.
Prosecuting her is what she's probably expecting as a worse case scenario. Couple years inside, kid looked after, meet a new husband inside. House when she gets out. More kids. Perfect.
I think a key point here is were, or are, ISIS fighting the UK, or does the UK and the West generally choose to fight them in States where they have no jurisdiction, to protect our economic interests? Dear oh dear no one has committed any act of terrorism on british soil in the name of isis ,i didn't realise your depth of hatred for those killed in isis related attacks in the uk ,don't try and justify your post by saying you didn't mean it to read that way, you vilify jaggas for his opinions but openly type a post in defence of isis ,the only difference between your and his posts is you hate the people who were born and bred here.
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Post by inee on Feb 15, 2019 15:36:20 GMT
A case in point? The very laughable idiot Rees Mogg defending Churchill. Jacob Rees-Mogg comments on concentration camps flip.it/T8bdVtIn what context are you using the words concentration camps as you know it has very different meanings in hoe the words are used,you probably think internment camps are a british invention did you also know more whites died in the internment camps than blacks during that war
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Post by inee on Feb 15, 2019 15:33:55 GMT
It would need careful consideration on a case by case basis. Anyone still at large should be vulnerable to attack but this particular example is in a safe camp. It would be part of a plea bargain, she has already confessed to membership which carried 10 years in return for being allowed back. If not, she stays. There are other laws that can be added. It can be done, given the will. The antiterrorism chief has stated before that it is those hardened fighters sneaking back that worries him, not the voluntary returnees. If this helps gather intelligence on others then it can only help. Dozens have returned been given housing and benefits during their rehabilitation. Shhhhhhhhh don't let the truth get in the way of our country hating gashead friend
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Post by inee on Feb 15, 2019 15:31:18 GMT
If you take yourself outside of the law in this way then its a bit rich expecting it to help you. Also, just because something is law, that doesn't make it right. There are loads of examples of something being law but public outrage rightly prevailing and having the law changed. The most obvious is slavery. If someone leaves this country to go and fight against this country then tough sh**. I am first to the barricades against unjust law that depletes the interests of the unempowered. This situation is not the case. This lady may well have broken the law. Let the CPS argue that case. She is a UK citizen and should be tried as such. If indeed she has broken any law. If a UK citizen had gone to South Africa to bring insurrection against a Government that was openly supported by our Government during apartheid would that be a crime? After all our economic and political interests at the time were heavily vested in white supremacy. If there is evidence that she supported or advocated violence against UK society, bring the evidence to court and see her brought to justice. Anything else is guilty by supposition through a kangaroo court. We are better than that. The answer is yes those went abroad to fight against isis , were arrested arrested and charged on their return to the uk ,however common sense prevailed and the crown offered no evidence, so it has been tried just to appease a bunch of terrorist scum
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Post by inee on Feb 3, 2019 14:11:11 GMT
You have to remember that every single year of any extension is another 20 billion quid per year (minimum amount) that will get paid to the EU. Just what are these 'extensions' for? Business has had two and a half years to prepare ! All of these Amendments are pitiful. The basic problem still remains that the WA is terrible ! 2 and a half years to prepare for what exactly. There has been no direction from the Government the government publish documents on a no deal brexit basically nothing changes until we make our own rules etc, these have been online for a while
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Post by inee on Feb 3, 2019 11:26:11 GMT
Eh didn't we have one of those last year.h Whats wrong with only allowing immigrants into the uk who have a job lined up and are qualifications to do the job they apply for ,after all it's only a tiny island we live on, i think jaggas is not saying that english scottish welsh and northern irish don't commit crimes ,i feel he's trying to point out that they seem to have higher offending rate of a sexual nature and lower sentences ,until we clamp down on this it will continue ,sentencing should for all immigrants be if convicted of sexual or violent assaults send en back home , if these type of sentences were given offending would drop off over time. as for anyone born in the uk ,if convicted of sexual assault then castration is the only answer , we even need to consider the american 3 strikes and your out system ,or even use the american system of prisoners paying off their board and lodgings via work The best way out of this is to determine two tests. One: Your genetic inheritance Two: Your ability to communicate, without grammatical error and with evidence of a full vocabulary, in English. Failure renders you an irrelevance. Idiots like you are irrelevant ,you seem to have a complex where you think ,that you alone are better than everyone else ,you do realise that even public school educated people cannot spell every word in the dictionary ,as for yourself ,i bow to your superior english skills (how long do you really spend dressing up in your ss uniform before horse whipping your pc because the spell checker iis taking too long). You seem to be panicking over brexit typing pages and pages of sh**e ,because your scared you might lose some of your oh so precious money or may find it a tad uncomfortable due to us leaving the 4th reich. I may be a tad dyslexic my grammar may not be at the level of working class snob that your is , i do wonder what your political motive is at times you seem to think everyone should be allowed to just turn up in the uk and everything handed to them on a plate ,you also claim to have superior knowledge on every subject because you lived in a foreign country here and there ,of course those countries have not changed one bit have they. You claim to have a superior knowledge of islam to everyone else because you pretended to be one for your own gain ,which you seem proud of, here a challenge walk into your local mosque ,and proudly proclaim that you used islam for your own gain , i can tell you one thing you wouldn't be walking out of there on your own. Still when society has collapsed and you have nothing us irrelevants will be sat in our homes eating the food we grow ,openly laughing ,waiting to dine on your long dead cold corpse
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Post by inee on Feb 2, 2019 21:56:33 GMT
Importing people who have no intention of working or contributing and adding to the housing,education and health service problems we already have is certainly not the answer.....Germanys welfare bill is astronomical after welcoming people who have no skills and no desire to work.People who are raping and pillaging their way through Europe is a no no and the majority of people in Europe are against it. Luckily when you and your supremely white friends sweep to power under the popular vote, rape with be a thing of the past. It's a proven fact that no true Brit has ever committed any crime ever. Zeig Heil! board and logings Eh didn't we have one of those last year.h Whats wrong with only allowing immigrants into the uk who have a job lined up and are qualifications to do the job they apply for ,after all it's only a tiny island we live on, i think jaggas is not saying that english scottish welsh and northern irish don't commit crimes ,i feel he's trying to point out that they seem to have higher offending rate of a sexual nature and lower sentences ,until we clamp down on this it will continue ,sentencing should for all immigrants be if convicted of sexual or violent assaults send en back home , if these type of sentences were given offending would drop off over time. as for anyone born in the uk ,if convicted of sexual assault then castration is the only answer , we even need to consider the american 3 strikes and your out system ,or even use the american system of prisoners paying off their board and lodgings via work
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Post by inee on Feb 2, 2019 21:11:05 GMT
was surprised that it appeared to be only the back squadded guy who went on to get his wings not surprised really as i heard somewhere that only a limited number now qualify fully. Did have a smile at the size of the american chutes fook me was looking for fat elvis
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