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Post by LJG on Jul 26, 2021 13:46:51 GMT
This would be the best outcome for all parties IMO. 1. It takes JB out of the spotlight but shows that the club are seeing him as innocent until proven guilty. 2. Shows the club aren’t tolerating or endorsing that type of behaviour regardless of his innocence or not. 3. Gives the club a chance to shape up the management team for the coming season, especially if we need to get a temporary manager in. I have to say, if the club don’t do something, I don’t think I want to go and support the man in charge. A lot depends on what the club think. If they have spoken to those involved and believe them and think that they are prosecuting him, because of who he is. Should they still suspend him? Hopefully the club know a lot more than us and come to the right decision, either way. No one is prosecuting anyone because of who anyone is, that's crackpot bollocks. Also, it is not for the club to carry out their own investigation into criminal proceedings by interviewing people making allegations against their employee. That would be a very quick way to be charged with perverting the course of justice.
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Post by LJG on Jul 26, 2021 12:58:44 GMT
Whilst I don't diminish your awful experience at all I would say that that appears to be the opposite issue than is being postulated here - yours is no case to the CPS despite there being evidence whereas some people are imagining this is case to CPS with no evidence. and i agree with you, my point is/was that you cannot trust the police to get it right even when presented with the evidence I don't disagree. I would say it is a bit of a higher bar when the CPS decide whether or not to prosecute but they are not without fault. Though it would be wrong to say they can't be trusted to do a proper job.
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Post by LJG on Jul 26, 2021 12:50:05 GMT
The police came round shortly after the call was made. If she hadn’t had a bloody nose and a bruised temple as is alleged I’m pretty sure they would have saw and decided not to go through with the charge. The police aren’t mugs, they can only get a charge through the CPS with actual evidence.Have to disagree with you there my friend, 18 months ago i was attacked and left unconscious and with a blooded face which left a scar on my face by a neighbour. He admitted to doing it and was arrested on the spot. the police had evidence and a witness but they chose not to put the case forward to the CPS and issued him with a warning... yeah i have a lot of faith in the police...... NOT Whilst I don't diminish your awful experience at all I would say that that appears to be the opposite issue than is being postulated here - yours is no case to the CPS despite there being evidence whereas some people are imagining this is case to CPS with no evidence.
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Post by LJG on Jul 26, 2021 12:23:38 GMT
His standing as a football manager was pretty firmly in question before any of this. Two non-event seasons at Fleetwood and a relegation with Rovers ... Oh and which of his signings would we not have had a hope in hell of signing without him??? Most of the players based north of the country i would suggest How did we ever manage to sign Vitas without a Latvian manager then?
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Post by LJG on Jul 26, 2021 11:19:58 GMT
That's it exactly, our image and reputation is being dragged through the mud regardless of whether he is found guilty or not Can you enlighten me as to what our current reputation is ? at the moment i can't think of any good points apart from the community trust aspect of the club Having a Kn*bhead as a manager don't help, but his standing as a football manager is not in question and i would guess that his reputation in that area is why we have got some class players at the club now, please we would not had a hope in hell getting before he arrived His standing as a football manager was pretty firmly in question before any of this. Two non-event seasons at Fleetwood and a relegation with Rovers ... Oh and which of his signings would we not have had a hope in hell of signing without him???
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Post by LJG on Jul 26, 2021 11:15:34 GMT
all of this is a waste of f**king time she will be a witness and say nothing happened because its joey barton they want to throw the book at him can we all get back to football matters block this whole thread ffs His wife will not be appearing as a witness.
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Post by LJG on Jul 26, 2021 10:47:24 GMT
Where in that post does it say he didn't touch her? It doesn't. She says she is not his accuser. Not that it didn't happen. She makes no accusation that he has been violent towards her. That is as good as saying it didn't happen imo. Your interpretation of it is different to mine. She goes on to say that it is a private matter - it's difficult to see how something that she's saying didn't happen is a private matter. It is so common in domestic violence cases for the victim to retract the complaint that they are often not called as a witness.
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Post by LJG on Jul 26, 2021 10:37:43 GMT
My wife who is a training officer in the Police tells me that JB'S wife and her two friends are probably to frightened to be witnesses, this is often the case. But others at the party which Barton may not be so familiar with probably reported the incident, and may well be happy to give evidence, their must be a strong case for the Police/ CPS to take this to court without the victims support. Although she may be supporting the action but not making it public for fear of reprisal. The Crown's case is that she called the police herself. Given the ease with which that can be evidenced I would be absolutely staggered if that were not the case.
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Post by LJG on Jul 26, 2021 10:34:53 GMT
When did his wife say he didn't touch her? She says that she is not the one making the allegation not that it didn't happen. It is remarkably common in domestic violence cases for women to say such things. http://instagr.am/p/CRv2AkEsy53 Where in that post does it say he didn't touch her? It doesn't. She says she is not his accuser. Not that it didn't happen.
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Post by LJG on Jul 26, 2021 9:56:21 GMT
He is accused of that but his wife said he didn't touch her?? Confused When did his wife say he didn't touch her? She says that she is not the one making the allegation not that it didn't happen. It is remarkably common in domestic violence cases for women to say such things.
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Post by LJG on Jul 26, 2021 9:32:10 GMT
Pleads not guilty..... Surprise..... Right that’s that then Time to find that elusive striker now please Mr Barton Case closed.[/v] Erm ... no ... I hate to break it to you but that's very much "case literally only just opened".
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Post by LJG on Jul 26, 2021 9:30:09 GMT
For failing to produce results, on the Pitch, agreed. For being found not guilty of Domestic Assault? It is important to keep in mind that being found 'not guilty' is not the same as being proven 'innocent'. It simply means that based on the evidence before the court the magistrate (or jury inthe case of Crown Court) are sure you did not commit the alleged offence. This is such a fallacy that went round Twitter etc from that pomp The Secret Barrister a few years ago - I think in relation to Ched Evans's retrial and acquittal. It is a total failure of logic because it would mean that once charged no person could ever be said to be innocent of the charge against them. It is perfectly reasonable to consider that a person who has been acquitted is innocent of the charge against them. In line with the presumption of innocence that is the foundation of our criminal justice system. If a defendant is innocent until proven guilty - they are innocent if they are not proven guilty.
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Post by LJG on Jul 26, 2021 9:20:07 GMT
a quick google brought up this Magistrates deal with three kinds of cases: Summary offences. These are less serious cases, such as motoring offences and minor assaults, where the defendant is not usually entitled to trial by jury. They are generally disposed of in magistrates’ courts. Either-way offences. As the name implies, these can be dealt with either by magistrates or before a judge and jury at the Crown Court. Such offences include theft and handling stolen goods. A defendant can insist on their right to trial in the Crown Court. Magistrates can also decide that a case is so serious that it should be dealt with in the Crown Court – which can impose tougher sentences if the defendant is found guilty. Indictable-only offences, such as murder, manslaughter, rape and robbery. These must be heard at a Crown Court. If the case is indictable-only, the magistrates’ court will generally decide whether to grant bail, consider other legal issues such as reporting restrictions, and then pass the case on to the Crown Court. If the case is to be dealt within a magistrates’ court, the defendant(s) are asked to enter a plea. If they plead guilty or are later found to be guilty, the magistrates can impose a sentence, generally of up to six months’ imprisonment for a single offence (12 months in total), or a fine of an unlimited amount. If found not guilty (‘acquitted’), defendants are judged innocent in the eyes of the law and will be free to go – provided there are no other cases against them outstanding. Cases are either heard by two or three magistrates or by one district judge. Thanks for that.... I do wonder why people spend all that money on 3 years at law school when they could've just read gaschat for the past 6 months.... Three? And the rest.
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Post by LJG on Jul 25, 2021 20:08:11 GMT
I've said a lot on this topic, most of it negative towards JB and mostly out of disgust and frustration. When Tisdale went I wanted Barton, I want to make it clear I was never a Barton hater. His passion for the game and the mentality he had was what I thought at the time was what the team needed to get them playing as a unit and force them to win matches that would keep us up. This is a step to far for me and I just can't see how the club can keep him. I'm a mixture if angry and gutted There's nothing like chewing players out in the press week in week out and saying they need to be taken outside and shot to get them playing as a team. 8 games left at the time of those comments- 24 possible points!
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Post by LJG on Jul 25, 2021 19:35:29 GMT
We have a wonderful fanbase who are willing to accept everything that the press have written and yet this could well be another case where the Police are taking action themselves based entirely o9n who is involved rather than on the case itself. I prefer to wait and see what prevails which I am sure is what Wael will do rather than react now and regret later. It is amazing how many cases are heard of this very nature where the offences go on for years with no action being taken to court and yet this case gets action taken. I await with interest just what this case contains that makes it so easy for the Police to make a case. Seriously, is he your son or something? Say something critical about Joey Barton- I dare you. Anything. You slammed the likes of Ollie Clarke week in week out but you can never bear to hear a word said against your demi-god, r Joey.
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Post by LJG on Jul 23, 2021 21:01:54 GMT
So the largest, biggest money spinning sporting event in the world over the last 5 years The Olympics has just opened. Only 1000 VIP spectators allowed into the 100,000 capacity stadium to witness the Opening Ceremony all social distancing and wearing masks. No general fans allowed in. The actors and sportsmen/women in the show display all wore face masks. All "proven" and tested covid free from weeks long confined covid free bubbles? Meanwhile over at the Mem tomorrow a meaningless friendly there will be a free for all with 4000? fans without masks. VIP not expected though! You couldn't make it up! What is it you couldn't make up? What's your point?
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Post by LJG on Jul 23, 2021 8:49:53 GMT
Let’s judge JB a little further into this season . Utg 💙 10 games? 👀 Don't you mean 10 MORE games?
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Post by LJG on Jul 21, 2021 15:30:42 GMT
Garners win ratio was 20.6%, Tisdales 26.3%... Bartons 16.7% Evolution. Revolution of the door to the manager's office.
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Post by LJG on Jul 21, 2021 15:09:53 GMT
I agree. I have no animosity towards the guy, he's only human like us and plenty of managers fail at one club and do well at another. I wish him no ill will and provided it's not at our expense, won't worry if he does well at Swindon. I don't get that point of view when we've got to now suffer L2 football solely down to Garner. Solely? We had three managers last season.
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Post by LJG on Jul 21, 2021 13:42:53 GMT
Lets all hold hands around the campfire and sing "Kumbaya My Lord, Kumbaya" 🤭🤭 You called?
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