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Post by jaydan on Sept 3, 2017 10:45:25 GMT
What are the merits and disadvantages of man to man marking vs zonal defence (each player responsible for his patch of the penalty area) of set pieces?
We clearly defend using man to man marking system which,
i) seems to leave nobody attacking the ball;
ii) leaves us vulnerable to well worked routines- eg the block on Burn
iii) the keeper staying on his line
Are we just not doing a very good job under the current system or should we do something different such as a zonal system?
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Post by knowall on Sept 3, 2017 11:01:09 GMT
It appeared that zonal would have been better yesterday, however it was the 'blocking' of our defeders that helped them.
Something we never seem to do! We need (or who is) our defensive coach?
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Post by singupgas on Sept 3, 2017 11:16:44 GMT
either way. you need to get to the ball first you can't tackle the man. we were slow and second best to everything yesterday.
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Post by justin blue on Sept 3, 2017 11:22:48 GMT
I am sure there are many arguments for and against either system,. However I have never seen a zone score a goal.
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Post by 68 on Sept 3, 2017 11:24:41 GMT
What are the merits and disadvantages of man to man marking vs zonal defence (each player responsible for his patch of the penalty area) of set pieces? We clearly defend using man to man marking system which, i) seems to leave nobody attacking the ball; ii) leaves us vulnerable to well worked routines- eg the block on Burn iii) the keeper staying on his line Are we just not doing a very good job under the current system or should we do something different such as a zonal system? If the opposition have an aerial goal threat (most do at set pieces) you surely have to mark those with your best aerial defenders? The rest can be zonal. |
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Post by gregsy on Sept 3, 2017 11:30:57 GMT
Whichever system we weren't using yesterday....
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 3, 2017 12:07:25 GMT
We hear so much about man or zonal marking by experts and coaches that I sometimes think the point is missed. Even if you're man marking if the attacker gets a run on the ball then you've no chance of getting it, the same with zonal, if you're in a place and the attacker comes storming in on a run then again no chance. What defenders have to do is attack the ball, run at it, jumping from a standing start won't help. Yesterday for the first goal if we'd had someone in that area we might have been ok but for the second no one wouldn't have stopped Wyke, he had such a good run at the ball and our defenders were standing still. Now, if I can see that and I'm no expert why the heck can't the professionals!
UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 3, 2017 12:10:05 GMT
It appeared that zonal would have been better yesterday, however it was the 'blocking' of our defeders that helped them. Something we never seem to do! We need (or who is) our defensive coach? I think he's enjoying life in Crete? Or was it Cyprus? Either way, well deserved. 😀 UTG! |
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Post by madgas on Sept 3, 2017 12:34:04 GMT
Most teams play a combination. And I figure we would to. Problem was we didn't put enough pressure on their number 9.
As said before, we won't win every header, but we need to be there to make sure opponents don't have clean routes/ easy jumps.
A little unlucky yesterday in that both goals were technically fouls. But you can't bank on getting those desisions and we have to be stronger. Last season Colkett (I think) scored from a corner assisted by James Clarke wrestling the nearest opponent.
Lack of experience cost us yesterday.
Overall- it was more down to execution than tactics.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2017 13:37:15 GMT
You kind of need a mix of the two systems.
Man marking has the drawback of the attacking player making the move and the defender having to play catchup.
Zonal can leave players with a free run at the ball.
Zone mark the danger areas...attack the ball plus mark the most dangerous people on set pieces.
This also has the downside of some players will be unmarked on rebounds perhaps.
Organisation and practice is the key . Helps to have someone in the backline to take control.
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Post by Baxtinho on Sept 4, 2017 12:37:51 GMT
I am sure there are many arguments for and against either system,. However I have never seen a zone score a goal. Yes, but I'm sure you have seen many a defender head a ball clear from one. Zonal Marking is often criticised, but people rarely praise it for all the occasions the first man just belts it to safety as they anticipate where it's being crossed to. Don't get me wrong, I still think Burn was a bit slow reacting to their big centre-forward for at least his first two goals, the third being one of those awkward crosses close to the byline that's hard to deal with. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 12:47:52 GMT
You kind of need a mix of the two systems. Man marking has the drawback of the attacking player making the move and the defender having to play catchup. Zonal can leave players with a free run at the ball. Zone mark the danger areas...attack the ball plus mark the most dangerous people on set pieces. This also has the downside of some players will be unmarked on rebounds perhaps. Organisation and practice is the key . Helps to have someone in the backline to take control. Anghymnwysedd could you please apply for the defensive coach at Bristol rovers you could solve the goals against us. |
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Post by Marshy on Sept 4, 2017 12:53:20 GMT
I'm not sure about this zonal marking?
Why don't we go for anal marking, just get right up behind them nice and tight!
Bolders could be our new defensive coach?
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Sept 4, 2017 12:56:52 GMT
You kind of need a mix of the two systems. Man marking has the drawback of the attacking player making the move and the defender having to play catchup. Zonal can leave players with a free run at the ball. Zone mark the danger areas...attack the ball plus mark the most dangerous people on set pieces. This also has the downside of some players will be unmarked on rebounds perhaps. Organisation and practice is the key . Helps to have someone in the backline to take control. I sort of agree with this. The issue with zonal is that a ball can be whipped into an area where there is no defender and the attacker can therefore have a free run and a free header. The issue with man marking is that players get too tight as you say. I think defenders need to be stood a couple of yards off their runner when man marking so there is not the issue of being blocked off and no issue of having to catch up with the attacker. People talk about being touch tight all the time and you probably need to be by the time the ball is in the box, but not at the start of the set piece, nobody is going to score a header from the edge of the box. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 0:16:51 GMT
What a silly thread!
Play any marking system you like if you give endless corners away you will concede goals.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 7:18:21 GMT
What a silly thread! Play any marking system you like if you give endless corners away you will concede goals. Statistically, I think you'll find that the amount of goals scored from corners is very very low. I remember reading somewhere that it's about 2% or 3% of all goals scored come from a corner. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 7:38:07 GMT
What a silly thread! Play any marking system you like if you give endless corners away you will concede goals. Okay it's better to give away a goal than a corner then bluebutterfly 🤔 |
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Post by stapletongas on Sept 5, 2017 9:55:39 GMT
Often the deciding factor is your players and which method they gravitate towards best. Horses for courses
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 5, 2017 10:16:21 GMT
What a silly thread! Play any marking system you like if you give endless corners away you will concede goals. No, not really a silly thread. Well done the OP for starting it. This is a football forum and after Saturdays defending losing two goals from corners it is a really appropriate thing to discuss. And if we do give endless corners then it's even more appropriate! Good to discuss football stuff when you see some of the stuff spouted on here! 😀 UTG! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 10:21:43 GMT
Often the deciding factor is your players and which method they gravitate towards best. Horses for courses Exactly. You choose the best system for the players you have available, not the other way round. I remember listening to Tony Cottee just after he had a short spell as Manager at (I think) Barnet, and he explained that it didn't work because the players were not able to do as he told/asked them. He forgot that these were Div 2 players, not Premier League. He had a way he wanted to play, instead of playing in a way that enhanced the limited abilities of the players at his disposal. |
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