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Post by knowall on Oct 21, 2017 16:46:53 GMT
It was meant as a joke - but as you mention it - do you not think your comment is rather disrespectful towards our owner and chairman - people whom I like and do respect How can anybody like and respect our Chairman, when he basically lied to us in the summer about DC been given a top 6 budget? You say our Chairman lied - prove that by publishing what the budgets are for all (or even some) of the teams in our division for this season. Do you even know what our budget is?
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Post by gashead1981 on Oct 21, 2017 22:48:46 GMT
Please put your sensible head on again - it is this sort of question/post that fuels unrest in what is a quite normal passage of events Rome was not built in a day - neither will a stadium or training ground I am disappointed you think my comment is aggressive - should I have said thank you as well as please? Please read your first para again - and then say it is not inflammatory - as you well know there are plenty who feed off this sort of sentiment to do our Club, fans, directors, and owners down. As manners cost nothing, how about trying to employ some. Some courtesy goes a long way, especially with me. And like I said, we have had a complaint about your tone and attitude from another poster to the mod team, so it isn’t just me. Ive re-read my opening paragraph, (with my sensible head on, just for you) I’ve summed up the mood around this forum pretty well I feel, perhaps you could point out where positivity has been regarding the stadium, the results and the training ground in the past month and I will happily ammend the post.
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Post by knowall on Oct 22, 2017 12:21:46 GMT
I am disappointed you think my comment is aggressive - should I have said thank you as well as please? Please read your first para again - and then say it is not inflammatory - as you well know there are plenty who feed off this sort of sentiment to do our Club, fans, directors, and owners down. As manners cost nothing, how about trying to employ some. Some courtesy goes a long way, especially with me. And like I said, we have had a complaint about your tone and attitude from another poster to the mod team, so it isn’t just me. Ive re-read my opening paragraph, (with my sensible head on, just for you) I’ve summed up the mood around this forum pretty well I feel, perhaps you could point out where positivity has been regarding the stadium, the results and the training ground in the past month and I will happily ammend the post. For the record: I believe my manners are impeccable, and 'old school' courtesy is in-built. (I did preference my post with 'please'!) BUT I only deal in fact and truth, consequently, I challenge those who on this forum or anywhere else, treat rumour etc as fact because in no time at all those rumours will appear to become fact. Example - consortium. Another example comparing our budget - I have challenged those who claim to know but no-one responds to tell me the current Rovers budget and or any other team's budget - because no-one (apart from maybe the Rovers Board and Management) has the knowledge of any other teams budget as fact - let alone every club in the division. As for your sensible head - you do have one, but I am sorry, promoting discussion on how 'sour' the current feeling towards our Club and owners is I find distasteful. I have supported 'Rovers for seventy years and have known most of the Directors and owners since the 1960's on a personal basis and appreciate the hard work and often sacrifice that is delivered - too often critics have little or no knowledge or research to entitle them to be able to criticise and that appalls me when they do.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 22, 2017 19:52:46 GMT
How can anybody like and respect our Chairman, when he basically lied to us in the summer about DC been given a top 6 budget? Both Hamer and DC thought they were setting out a decent budget, then they both later said the market was steeper than they thought it would be, for various reasons that we discussed before. It was a mistake but it was a reasonable one. If Hamer was lying DC was lying, too. Would it be reasonable for people on here to call you a liar, every time you stated something that wasn't actually true, even if you were stating those things in good faith? Sorry but I just don't believe DC ever said this to SH “In his own words he believes his budget is a top six budget." Budgets may have changed but I can't see we've slipped from a top 6 budget to just a mid table one over the summer, DC may have said he believed he had a budget which would let him challenge the top 6 but I can't see we were ever going to offer him a top 6 budget, there's just to many bigger clubs for us to do that.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 22, 2017 19:54:28 GMT
How can anybody like and respect our Chairman, when he basically lied to us in the summer about DC been given a top 6 budget? You say our Chairman lied - prove that by publishing what the budgets are for all (or even some) of the teams in our division for this season. Do you even know what our budget is? DC's already said it's a mid-table budget.
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Post by peterhooper57 on Oct 22, 2017 20:19:50 GMT
Why they really walked away from building a new stadium, why they have not submitted plans to build the training ground, why hammer promised a top six budget and DC then proceeded to make only one quality signing, and when are they selling up . Probably won't hear ####alll as Waq never speaks to the supporters, worse than higgsie
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2017 22:39:23 GMT
If it's a mid-table league 1 budget as DC suggests then it's the biggest budget that we've had in years and DC has nothing to grumble about budget wise in my view. Anything less than mid-table and we are under performing against budget to use DC own yardstick. I'd be surprised if no money is available in January for at least a couple of additions we so clearly need. As long as we stay up this season then I'll be happy.
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Post by stevek192 on Oct 22, 2017 23:25:27 GMT
Why give DC a bigger budget when he wastes the majority of it on players who are no better than what we have? or doesn't play signings he does make regularly. I am sure that the Shrewsbury Manager didn't have any where near our budget so no doubt they are over achieving far more than us!
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Post by cookinongas on Oct 23, 2017 6:34:43 GMT
I'd just like an honest update about plans for the stadium regeneration. Is it going to be a lick of paint, or something more substantial that could potentially sustain championship football? The fact we're still in the dark about this is pretty shoddy in my opinion. The thing is, when the new owners arrived we were doing well with increasing attendances. Nothing the new owners have done thus far has made me sit up and say "wow". As far as I'm concerned there hasn't really been any changes/purchases that couldn't have been paid for by the club's success anyway Yes, a piece of land has been purchased and fenced off, but until something meaningful is built on it that doesn't count. Didn't they wipe our debt out overnight?
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Post by station on Oct 23, 2017 7:19:47 GMT
I echo Hugo and Scooby's post stated at the start of this thread.
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Post by RD on Oct 23, 2017 7:21:08 GMT
Why give DC a bigger budget when he wastes the majority of it on players who are no better than what we have? or doesn't play signings he does make regularly. I am sure that the Shrewsbury Manager didn't have any where near our budget so no doubt they are over achieving far more than us! Bit harsh that. The signings he's made have helped drag us from non-league to our highest league finish for almost two decades in just a few years. Yes he's made a few duff singings - as any manager at any level of the game will from time to time - and especially at this level. But he's also made some top singings too.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 23, 2017 7:24:06 GMT
Why give DC a bigger budget when he wastes the majority of it on players who are no better than what we have? or doesn't play signings he does make regularly. I am sure that the Shrewsbury Manager didn't have any where near our budget so no doubt they are over achieving far more than us! Why do you sprout this anti DC nonsense, Smith, Slocombe,Parts, Bola, Sweeney, Sercombe & Nichols have all played regularly this season the only one who hasn't is Telford and we've no idea what was agreed with Stoke regarding him starting games. Shrewsbury, like Leicester. prove that an odd team can overachieve but normally the bigger the budget the better the squad, just look at the other teams in the Div 1 top 6 to prove that is the case.
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Post by albaron on Oct 23, 2017 7:27:30 GMT
If it's a mid-table league 1 budget as DC suggests then it's the biggest budget that we've had in years and DC has nothing to grumble about budget wise in my view. Anything less than mid-table and we are under performing against budget to use DC own yardstick. I'd be surprised if no money is available in January for at least a couple of additions we so clearly need. As long as we stay up this season then I'll be happy. With regards to January signings -- I believe the couple of additions needed are a taller centre forward who could hold up play/win headers and create chances for Nicholls & Harrison and also a Brian Godfrey type hardman midfielder. Forget about sacking the manager -- We will be alright and finish top ten.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Oct 23, 2017 7:43:28 GMT
Why they really walked away from building a new stadium, why they have not submitted plans to build the training ground, why hammer promised a top six budget and DC then proceeded to make only one quality signing, and when are they selling up . Probably won't hear ####alll as Waq never speaks to the supporters, worse than higgsie All rumours No Facts
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Post by gashead1981 on Oct 23, 2017 7:48:39 GMT
As manners cost nothing, how about trying to employ some. Some courtesy goes a long way, especially with me. And like I said, we have had a complaint about your tone and attitude from another poster to the mod team, so it isn’t just me. Ive re-read my opening paragraph, (with my sensible head on, just for you) I’ve summed up the mood around this forum pretty well I feel, perhaps you could point out where positivity has been regarding the stadium, the results and the training ground in the past month and I will happily ammend the post. For the record: I believe my manners are impeccable, and 'old school' courtesy is in-built. (I did preference my post with 'please'!) BUT I only deal in fact and truth, consequently, I challenge those who on this forum or anywhere else, treat rumour etc as fact because in no time at all those rumours will appear to become fact. Example - consortium. Another example comparing our budget - I have challenged those who claim to know but no-one responds to tell me the current Rovers budget and or any other team's budget - because no-one (apart from maybe the Rovers Board and Management) has the knowledge of any other teams budget as fact - let alone every club in the division. As for your sensible head - you do have one, but I am sorry, promoting discussion on how 'sour' the current feeling towards our Club and owners is I find distasteful. I have supported 'Rovers for seventy years and have known most of the Directors and owners since the 1960's on a personal basis and appreciate the hard work and often sacrifice that is delivered - too often critics have little or no knowledge or research to entitle them to be able to criticise and that appalls me when they do. Sometimes mate, its not what you say but the way you say it. And there is no need to be as curt as you were being. Looking at the posts on the forum and the chat on the terraces amongst fans, can you honestly say there is a raft of positivity at the moment? Of course there isn't, if anything I have stated the obvious. If you actually looked at the question to everyone it was, what would you like to see or hear to make you feel positive again. There was no dwelling on the negative. We are all fans of the club and want the best for it and I too understand the sacrifice given by directors, and the ex directors, I am related to one of them so know exactly what he put into it, not just the money, but the time as well. I have not criticised anyone at the club owners or directors being current or past, I haven't called for DC to be sacked, I have not laid into any particular player, neither have I started or fuelled any of the rumours. I have simply asked for everyone else's opinion based on the current mood around the club.
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Post by Thatslife on Oct 23, 2017 8:55:13 GMT
I would like to know the following.
As the current plan is to rebuild the Mem, are the club still looking for land to possibly build a new stadium, if it became available?
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Post by xplosivgas on Oct 23, 2017 12:29:42 GMT
I'd just like an honest update about plans for the stadium regeneration. Is it going to be a lick of paint, or something more substantial that could potentially sustain championship football? The fact we're still in the dark about this is pretty shoddy in my opinion. The thing is, when the new owners arrived we were doing well with increasing attendances. Nothing the new owners have done thus far has made me sit up and say "wow". As far as I'm concerned there hasn't really been any changes/purchases that couldn't have been paid for by the club's success anyway Yes, a piece of land has been purchased and fenced off, but until something meaningful is built on it that doesn't count. Didn't they wipe our debt out overnight? I'm not sure, though I know it's a point that's been debated a fait bit. If we were ever genuinely debt free, I'd wager we're not now!
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Post by gashead1981 on Oct 23, 2017 12:36:57 GMT
I would like to know the following. As the current plan is to rebuild the Mem, are the club still looking for land to possibly build a new stadium, if it became available? A good question!
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Post by knowall on Oct 23, 2017 16:44:28 GMT
For the record: I believe my manners are impeccable, and 'old school' courtesy is in-built. (I did preference my post with 'please'!) BUT I only deal in fact and truth, consequently, I challenge those who on this forum or anywhere else, treat rumour etc as fact because in no time at all those rumours will appear to become fact. Example - consortium. Another example comparing our budget - I have challenged those who claim to know but no-one responds to tell me the current Rovers budget and or any other team's budget - because no-one (apart from maybe the Rovers Board and Management) has the knowledge of any other teams budget as fact - let alone every club in the division. As for your sensible head - you do have one, but I am sorry, promoting discussion on how 'sour' the current feeling towards our Club and owners is I find distasteful. I have supported 'Rovers for seventy years and have known most of the Directors and owners since the 1960's on a personal basis and appreciate the hard work and often sacrifice that is delivered - too often critics have little or no knowledge or research to entitle them to be able to criticise and that appalls me when they do. Sometimes mate, its not what you say but the way you say it. And there is no need to be as curt as you were being. Looking at the posts on the forum and the chat on the terraces amongst fans, can you honestly say there is a raft of positivity at the moment? Of course there isn't, if anything I have stated the obvious. If you actually looked at the question to everyone it was, what would you like to see or hear to make you feel positive again. There was no dwelling on the negative. We are all fans of the club and want the best for it and I too understand the sacrifice given by directors, and the ex directors, I am related to one of them so know exactly what he put into it, not just the money, but the time as well. I have not criticised anyone at the club owners or directors being current or past, I haven't called for DC to be sacked, I have not laid into any particular player, neither have I started or fuelled any of the rumours. I have simply asked for everyone else's opinion based on the current mood around the club. I hope you have watched 'Rovers Return' - if so, you will realise why I and some others like me react as we do to negative, often ill thought comments about our Club and the people who own, run, and work for the Club. Those of us who were at the heart of the Club in the 1980's and 1990's working shoulder to shoulder with the Dunfords, having to pay players wages from our pockets and saw our Club so nearly go out of business despite our efforts have every right to feel aggrieved at some comments on these forums. We need upbeat optimistic and enthusiastic cheerleading to help our Club progress. I am sure you post with the best intentions, and I maybe I read your post wrong? you say " I have not laid into any particular player, neither have I started or fuelled any of the rumours. I have simply asked for everyone else's opinion based on the current mood around the club". pre-supposes there is a "sour" mood (your words) which I do not - You may know the saying 'telling a baby not to stick a finger in it's mouth may well encourage it to do just that' - you get my meaning? One of your questions was about the decision not to move to UWE, it may well be for the same reason Rovers moved to Bath in the 1980's - we could simply not afford the alternative. We should praise the Owners for a decision believing they have the best interests of our Club at heart - why would they not have? But instead you are asking those who do not have any facts to comment or pass an opinion - surely, they are in no position to do so without the facts other than to say - 'it is a shame'.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 23, 2017 17:22:09 GMT
Sometimes mate, its not what you say but the way you say it. And there is no need to be as curt as you were being. Looking at the posts on the forum and the chat on the terraces amongst fans, can you honestly say there is a raft of positivity at the moment? Of course there isn't, if anything I have stated the obvious. If you actually looked at the question to everyone it was, what would you like to see or hear to make you feel positive again. There was no dwelling on the negative. We are all fans of the club and want the best for it and I too understand the sacrifice given by directors, and the ex directors, I am related to one of them so know exactly what he put into it, not just the money, but the time as well. I have not criticised anyone at the club owners or directors being current or past, I haven't called for DC to be sacked, I have not laid into any particular player, neither have I started or fuelled any of the rumours. I have simply asked for everyone else's opinion based on the current mood around the club. I hope you have watched 'Rovers Return' - if so, you will realise why I and some others like me react as we do to negative, often ill thought comments about our Club and the people who own, run, and work for the Club. Those of us who were at the heart of the Club in the 1980's and 1990's working shoulder to shoulder with the Dunfords, having to pay players wages from our pockets and saw our Club so nearly go out of business despite our efforts have every right to feel aggrieved at some comments on these forums. We need upbeat optimistic and enthusiastic cheerleading to help our Club progress. I am sure you post with the best intentions, and I maybe I read your post wrong? you say " I have not laid into any particular player, neither have I started or fuelled any of the rumours. I have simply asked for everyone else's opinion based on the current mood around the club". pre-supposes there is a "sour" mood (your words) which I do not - You may know the saying 'telling a baby not to stick a finger in it's mouth may well encourage it to do just that' - you get my meaning? One of your questions was about the decision not to move to UWE, it may well be for the same reason Rovers moved to Bath in the 1980's - we could simply not afford the alternative. We should praise the Owners for a decision believing they have the best interests of our Club at heart - why would they not have? But instead you are asking those who do not have any facts to comment or pass an opinion - surely, they are in no position to do so without the facts other than to say - 'it is a shame'. How do we know it is correct to praise the owners for making the correct decision when we haven't been told why the decision was made? Nor why it took then 18 months to make that decision? Likewise we've seen no firm plans for the Mem, one minute Wael says he has a team of 12 designer ready to work on the project, next minute SH is suggesting they've already decided the ground will rebuilt stand by stand. Likewise we get second hand info that the training ground is now delayed until next year for "tax reasons". Unless you are privy to the ALQ's personal financial arrangements you seem to be a brave person to say we should trust them to deliver, as I personally feel SH is making it up as he goes along and is just playing for time. If we had a decent team to watch off then field matters would be a bit more bearable but we can all see DC's squad is a mid table one at best, unfortunately at the moment that squad is getting found out. Also why can't the club, or supporters club, release details of what was discussed at the Q&A after the recent SC AGM, why does that have to remain a mystery for those unable, or not allowed, to attend apart from the snippets posted on the forum?
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