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Post by faggotygas on Oct 30, 2017 14:30:17 GMT
All about the personnel, the best attacking teams in the world at the minute all play with three up top/two wide and a striker. I mean, look what man city are doing at the minute, out and out wingers galore But for us, at this level, with our squad. We're just not good enough to play that style, no surprise that with the 4 cm's we controlled the game Saturday No they're not, they are inside forwards |
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Post by althepirate on Oct 30, 2017 15:02:57 GMT
After watching football all of my life for me the most exciting player is a winger, now they have seemingly disappeared from the modern game. Its now left to the full backs. Some of the best players in the world have been wingers, where would Man Utd have been without players like Best and Giggs. As a youngster I used to love the circus and the juggling acts so football for me was enhanced by the ball jugglers who entertained the crowd. Billy is definitely one but is now classed as a midfielder. Interestingly enough in the Wiki Rovers players list wingers have never existed and players like Mickey Barrett and Harold Jarman are noted as midfielders! I'm sure our forwards would score more with a little help from the wings and I wondered what you think, do you mourn their loss or think its an improvement? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bristol_Rovers_F.C._playersFew teams have had wingers since the 60s. Bodin has never played as a winger, but as an attacking wide or central midfielder. Same with Giggs and Barrett. I can't think of any modern formation that includes wingers, the closest is probably an attacking 4-3-3 which includes 2 inside forwards, not wide enough to be wingers
Ryan Giggs the greatest ever winger. I think the game misses the dribbler. When BB gets the ball its exciting, I guess it doesn't matter where they do it. Giggs v Arsenal wasn't on the wing but a sensational dribble which will always be remembered. Forwards now pass it back, we keep the ball as instructed, but its dull. Possession stats mean nothing IMO. Harry Bamford used to dribble it out of his own box to give the manager a heart attack, but it wasn't dull. |
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Post by faggotygas on Oct 30, 2017 15:13:55 GMT
Few teams have had wingers since the 60s. Bodin has never played as a winger, but as an attacking wide or central midfielder. Same with Giggs and Barrett. I can't think of any modern formation that includes wingers, the closest is probably an attacking 4-3-3 which includes 2 inside forwards, not wide enough to be wingers
Ryan Giggs the greatest ever winger. I think the game misses the dribbler. When BB gets the ball its exciting, I guess it doesn't matter where they do it. Giggs v Arsenal wasn't on the wing but a sensational dribble which will always be remembered. Forwards now pass it back, we keep the ball as instructed, but its dull. Possession stats mean nothing IMO. Harry Bamford used to dribble it out of his own box to give the manager a heart attack, but it wasn't dull. For about half those goals, Giggs was in the centre. Not a winger! |
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Post by z1zou on Oct 31, 2017 6:42:37 GMT
All about the personnel, the best attacking teams in the world at the minute all play with three up top/two wide and a striker. I mean, look what man city are doing at the minute, out and out wingers galore But for us, at this level, with our squad. We're just not good enough to play that style, no surprise that with the 4 cm's we controlled the game Saturday No they're not, they are inside forwards "To-may-to/to-mah-to" |
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Post by faggotygas on Oct 31, 2017 8:22:36 GMT
No they're not, they are inside forwards "To-may-to/to-mah-to" More like to-may-to/po-tay-to. Wingers stay right out by the touchline, and have no defensive duties. Inside forwards come narrow to play off the centre forward, and drop to find space, and help out the midfield where necessary. |
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Post by oviedista on Oct 31, 2017 8:38:08 GMT
If you read "Inverting the Pyramid" England's obsession with wingers after the war (partly due to having a lot of very good ones at the time) led to us being left behind tactically. Somehow the idea that this is a specific and necessary role still lingers even today.
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Post by markczgas on Oct 31, 2017 12:57:11 GMT
If you read "Inverting the Pyramid" England's obsession with wingers after the war (partly due to having a lot of very good ones at the time) led to us being left behind tactically. Somehow the idea that this is a specific and necessary role still lingers even today. All true, but teams who use all areas of the pitch are giving themselves more chance of scoring. central areas are always crowded. Also crosses from the by-line cause more worry for defenders (facing their own goal) than crosses from the deep ( defenders can attack the cross coming towards them). |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Nov 2, 2020 23:27:15 GMT
Few teams have had wingers since the 60s. Bodin has never played as a winger, but as an attacking wide or central midfielder. Same with Giggs and Barrett. I can't think of any modern formation that includes wingers, the closest is probably an attacking 4-3-3 which includes 2 inside forwards, not wide enough to be wingers
Ryan Giggs the greatest ever winger. I think the game misses the dribbler. When BB gets the ball its exciting, I guess it doesn't matter where they do it. Giggs v Arsenal wasn't on the wing but a sensational dribble which will always be remembered. Forwards now pass it back, we keep the ball as instructed, but its dull. Possession stats mean nothing IMO. Harry Bamford used to dribble it out of his own box to give the manager a heart attack, but it wasn't dull. Just been arrested on suspicion of assaulting his missus. |
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Post by yaz on Nov 3, 2020 0:48:06 GMT
With the players we currently have, Rodman, JML and dare I say it Tutonda would make pretty good wingers?
Tutonda can dribble so he should be played differently now?
I am sure there are others but the game has moved on and wingers will probably be midfielders?
I would like Tutonda to play further up and given a free role same as Nicholson. It would be good to see Rodman back?
Up The Wing
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Post by bluegas on Nov 3, 2020 8:30:05 GMT
I won't copy your post GGMI, but does Giggs ever learn? Or is it never learn. He's probably blotted his copybook once to often. Comes across in interviews as a bit reserved and quiet. Apparently misleading impression.
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Post by CrispPusher on Nov 3, 2020 9:30:49 GMT
With the players we currently have, Rodman, JML and dare I say it Tutonda would make pretty good wingers? Tutonda can dribble so he should be played differently now? I am sure there are others but the game has moved on and wingers will probably be midfielders? I would like Tutonda to play further up and given a free role same as Nicholson. It would be good to see Rodman back? Up The Wing UTG Ironically it's my opinion that Brandon Hanlan, who plays centre forward for us, is the best winger we've had at the club since Mustapha Carayol. |
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Post by socrates on Nov 3, 2020 13:18:50 GMT
With the players we currently have, Rodman, JML and dare I say it Tutonda would make pretty good wingers? Tutonda can dribble so he should be played differently now? I am sure there are others but the game has moved on and wingers will probably be midfielders? I would like Tutonda to play further up and given a free role same as Nicholson. It would be good to see Rodman back? Up The Wing UTG Ironically it's my opinion that Brandon Hanlan, who plays centre forward for us, is the best winger we've had at the club since Mustapha Carayol. I think you may be right , all his best play is running with the ball holding people offf and controlling the ball out of tricky situations. Wouldn’t mind seeing him played out wide in a 4-2-3-1 formation with Nicholson on the other side and Daley in the middle Otzumer as the number 10. I think Garner has built a decent squad but I’m far from convinced he’s got the right ideas about how to utilise them. |
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Post by wilmslowgas on Nov 3, 2020 16:42:14 GMT
Totally agree.
There are lot of midfielders and wing backs in the squad. Some of them are actually very good players. I'm not convinced that Garner (or anybody else for that matter) has worked out the best combination.
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Post by socrates on Nov 3, 2020 17:13:48 GMT
Totally agree. There are lot of midfielders and wing backs in the squad. Some of them are actually very good players. I'm not convinced that Garner (or anybody else for that matter) has worked out the best combination. I’d love to see is try 4-2-3-1 tonight and really go at them. Anssi Hare Tutonda Ehmer Harries Westbrooke Grant Otzumer Nicholson Hanlan Daley. No dicking sbout , high tempo attacking football. |
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