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Post by althepirate on Oct 29, 2017 10:20:34 GMT
After watching football all of my life for me the most exciting player is a winger, now they have seemingly disappeared from the modern game. Its now left to the full backs. Some of the best players in the world have been wingers, where would Man Utd have been without players like Best and Giggs. As a youngster I used to love the circus and the juggling acts so football for me was enhanced by the ball jugglers who entertained the crowd. Billy is definitely one but is now classed as a midfielder. Interestingly enough in the Wiki Rovers players list wingers have never existed and players like Mickey Barrett and Harold Jarman are noted as midfielders! I'm sure our forwards would score more with a little help from the wings and I wondered what you think, do you mourn their loss or think its an improvement? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bristol_Rovers_F.C._players
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Post by socrates on Oct 29, 2017 10:50:57 GMT
After watching football all of my life for me the most exciting player is a winger, now they have seemingly disappeared from the modern game. Its now left to the full backs. Some of the best players in the world have been wingers, where would Man Utd have been without players like Best and Giggs. As a youngster I used to love the circus and the juggling acts so football for me was enhanced by the ball jugglers who entertained the crowd. Billy is definitely one but is now classed as a midfielder. Interestingly enough in the Wiki Rovers players list wingers have never existed and players like Mickey Barrett and Harold Jarman are noted as midfielders! I'm sure our forwards would score more with a little help from the wings and I wondered what you think, do you mourn their loss or think its an improvement? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bristol_Rovers_F.C._playersWhen I first started watching Rovers Percy Purnel was playing and I loved the way he used to take his full back on the outside. Closest we’ve got to that in this squad is Leadbitter and they’re not really the same at all but he does go wide and use his pace and he played very well yesterday. Left footers tend to play on the right and right footers on the left these days and they cut inside and play the ball lower rather than hit the byline and cross it high. Perhaps it’s a sign of the way football is played , a bit more patient and on the ground rather than up in the air direct to a big target man. I think we look at our best when we’ve got a bit of both , Bodin cutting in and a winger the other side but we don’t have that left winger this season, yet.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 29, 2017 11:03:52 GMT
Problem with somebody like Moore is they do little defending and rarely score, so a workman like Sincs or a goal scorer like Bodin looks a better option in the modern game. Monty had a fairly good season last year but how many goals & assists did he supply? Having said that I'd like to see Broom given a run out soon.
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Post by bluegas on Oct 29, 2017 11:08:37 GMT
Er...isn't this thread about, oooh,50 years behind the times? I seem to remember a bit of a furore over a certain Alf Ramsey & his World Cup winning team. Everyone seeming to follow suit. Bill Dodgin was old-fashioned & persisted with wingers,then Megson sort of dropped them - OK,he had wide players but hardly of the traditionally accepted sort. Since then they seem to have been in & out of favour. Depending on the manager's philosophy. And BTW,I love 'em as well, but they do have to be effective.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Oct 29, 2017 11:18:18 GMT
Wingers are by their very nature, frustrating.
As a fan you want someone with the skill of Bodin, the pace of Leadbitter, the crossing ability of Partington or Brown, the engine of Sinclair and the tactical discipline of Monkhouse on the wing, but that is an impossibility at this level!
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Post by markczgas on Oct 29, 2017 11:51:47 GMT
All I'll say is better to have attacking wide players rather than relying on defenders doing it - technically you'd expect them to be better players skill-wise. Defenders/wing backs are now expected to do this in many teams - Rovers yesterday. I thought Leadbitter was my mom yesterday but a good crosser of the ball he is not. He'll get one good one in out of about 5.
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Post by socrates on Oct 29, 2017 12:22:49 GMT
All I'll say is better to have attacking wide players rather than relying on defenders doing it - technically you'd expect them to be better players skill-wise. Defenders/wing backs are now expected to do this in many teams - Rovers yesterday. I thought Leadbitter was my mom yesterday but a good crosser of the ball he is not. He'll get one good one in out of about 5. Surely he’s too young to be your mom ? Did you find out if he is ?
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Post by toddy1953 on Oct 29, 2017 12:27:41 GMT
As someone who grew up with Haaaarold & Bobby Jones, I love wingers. But it's not all about being a good crosser of a ball, it's about pace, trickery, putting a fullback on their arse, vision, & having a thunderous shot too. Granted if you have a CF who can head a ball it helps. I don't think today's fans have the patience to have an out & out winger in the team, as they usually drift in & out of the game. But I would love one who was equally good with both feet that would drift from left to right. There is always a roar of excitement when a good winger gets the ball in some space, but he is not going to beat his man every time, and he won't be chasing back too far.
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Post by markczgas on Oct 29, 2017 21:14:59 GMT
As someone who grew up with Haaaarold & Bobby Jones, I love wingers. But it's not all about being a good crosser of a ball, it's about pace, trickery, putting a fullback on their arse, vision, & having a thunderous shot too. Granted if you have a CF who can head a ball it helps. I don't think today's fans have the patience to have an out & out winger in the team, as they usually drift in & out of the game. But I would love one who was equally good with both feet that would drift from left to right. There is always a roar of excitement when a good winger gets the ball in some space, but he is not going to beat his man every time, and he won't be chasing back too far. last one like that at the Mem was Carayol - he was a joy to watch !
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Post by syg on Oct 29, 2017 21:37:18 GMT
Controversial I know.... But id like to see Moore given a run out with no pressure to defend. He played in that role against argyle I think and was excellent in the first half, then got pulled back in the 2nd. He's certainly, with partington our best crosser
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Post by peterhooper57 on Oct 30, 2017 3:14:58 GMT
"we want our wingers back" in recent times since leaving eastville, how many percy, tony pounder, wally, we need pacy wingers, with a trick to beat the full backs, get to the bye line, and most importantly get a cross in which gets past the front post and avoids the goalkeeper. We currently do not even have a first team player with any pace, it must be so frustrating for the forwards.
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Post by RD on Oct 30, 2017 5:32:29 GMT
In my time - Wally and McKeever (sp) first loan spell.
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Post by miltongas on Oct 30, 2017 7:41:38 GMT
Don’t forget Lee Archer. Ran very fast. Never had the ball mind but he was a quick winger.
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Post by socrates on Oct 30, 2017 7:55:22 GMT
Sometimes better with, sometimes without . Depends on the project 😆
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Oct 30, 2017 7:59:31 GMT
Think we could do with another quick winger or two in our current squad - just as an option/plan B if nothing else.
Agree with a few comments above really. A match can be more exciting to watch (as a fan) when wingers are on the pitch, but from a manager’s perspective I can see why the game has gone more towards attacking midfielders that cut inside or playing more central midfielders.
These things tend to go in cycles though. Maybe in the future the hug-the-touchline winger will be the in-thing again and you won’t get many Bodin-types.
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Post by althepirate on Oct 30, 2017 10:07:51 GMT
I find it interesting that DC being so attack minded plays without wingers or maybe he doesn't feel he has a good enough one I don't know. For me the difference a winger or a good wing back can make is huge and I think Leadbitters form and injury has had an impact on our results this season.
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Post by stapletongas on Oct 30, 2017 10:33:01 GMT
The days of genuine “wingers” is a reference to the Old W formation or pyramid as if was sometimes called. What we now generally call wingers are really wide midfielders who have a different remit, ie protecting your own full back as well as taking on the opposition full back. True the contest between winger and full back is one of the classic and more exciting sights in the game, but many teams now line up putting more bodies central to stop the opposition coming through the middle and sending them wide. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formation_(association_football)
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Post by faggotygas on Oct 30, 2017 12:20:52 GMT
After watching football all of my life for me the most exciting player is a winger, now they have seemingly disappeared from the modern game. Its now left to the full backs. Some of the best players in the world have been wingers, where would Man Utd have been without players like Best and Giggs. As a youngster I used to love the circus and the juggling acts so football for me was enhanced by the ball jugglers who entertained the crowd. Billy is definitely one but is now classed as a midfielder. Interestingly enough in the Wiki Rovers players list wingers have never existed and players like Mickey Barrett and Harold Jarman are noted as midfielders! I'm sure our forwards would score more with a little help from the wings and I wondered what you think, do you mourn their loss or think its an improvement? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bristol_Rovers_F.C._playersFew teams have had wingers since the 60s. Bodin has never played as a winger, but as an attacking wide or central midfielder. Same with Giggs and Barrett. I can't think of any modern formation that includes wingers, the closest is probably an attacking 4-3-3 which includes 2 inside forwards, not wide enough to be wingers.
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Post by peterhooper57 on Oct 30, 2017 12:25:24 GMT
Don’t forget Lee Archer. Ran very fast. Never had the ball mind but he was a quick winger. Great shout; remember it well, happy twerton days.
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Post by z1zou on Oct 30, 2017 12:54:07 GMT
All about the personnel, the best attacking teams in the world at the minute all play with three up top/two wide and a striker. I mean, look what man city are doing at the minute, out and out wingers galore
But for us, at this level, with our squad. We're just not good enough to play that style, no surprise that with the 4 cm's we controlled the game Saturday
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