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Post by matealotblue on Nov 5, 2017 20:46:45 GMT
Re the avatar Rod....which one is that if you don’t mind me asking? HMS Hardy, pennant number R08 (interestingly the same number as the new HMS Elizabeth Carrier), which was sunk whilst on Arctic Convoy duty in January 1944. My father was on board - fortunately survivors were rescued by another destroyer - else I wouldn't be here!
Thanks. Was also pennant number of HMS Bulwark in later years. Glad to hear about your father.....not many did that were sunk. Bit cold....understatement! |
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 5, 2017 23:19:24 GMT
HMS Hardy, pennant number R08 (interestingly the same number as the new HMS Elizabeth Carrier), which was sunk whilst on Arctic Convoy duty in January 1944. My father was on board - fortunately survivors were rescued by another destroyer - else I wouldn't be here!
Thanks. Was also pennant number of HMS Bulwark in later years. Glad to hear about your father.....not many did that were sunk. Bit cold....understatement! The RN changed its pennant designations after the war, R becoming the aircraft carrier one. Glad he got out, Rod. |
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Post by inee on Nov 6, 2017 13:46:19 GMT
Xmas can never be compared to remembrance day. Remembrance is the act of remembering those brave men and women who have died in armed conflict for this largely unappreciative union, it's also to remember those families who lost, poppies raise money for service men/woman and their families who suffer and still suffer hardship just because not many of those from the world wars are not around now doesn't mean, we should only wear a poppy with pride for one day a year, if you don't want to wear a poppy don't but please don't say it's losing it's relevance because people wear them for a few weeks before, In fact i know a few serving service men and many non serving who feel a sense of pride when seeing people wear poppies as it is a visual indicator that strangers do care and to many that is enough to get them through tough times. Xmas on the other-hand is a kidnapped religious festival whose sole purpose is an exercise in oh look i have more money than you, spose it just a massive cock waving festival look at me i've got my 3y/o an ipad etc, many sheep getting into debt by taking loans to cover presents just so they can look good in front of the neighbours an their own kids, just so they can pretend to be someone they are not,(tis no wonder people grow up and think debt is a cool fashion accessory). Then feel good because it's so called time for family,keep kidding yourselves that it anything other than a way to buy smiles from your kids, still i spose your religion is to worship at the alter of asdas etc. If anyone's offended by this post i don't give a fook, maybe its time to look inwards into the greedy selfish life you lead where you buy affection from others You've took my comparison too literally. All I was getting at is the fact that the more you drag things out, the less impact it seems when it is the actual day. You have rememberance day and rememberance Sunday. If you start having 2 or 3 weeks for it then it makes that day less special. The reason we have two days is the 11th doesn't always fall on a weekend, the Sunday is so those that wish can go to the cenotaph to pay their respects,yes i understand a lot don't go because the pain is too vivid and real, but they will remember in their own way at home or in the pub etc. I personally feel it doesn't get enough coverage, a couple of weeks for the legion to raise funds, most probably forget the legion exists until poppy sellers appear, if anything it should get more coverage, tis a true shame that dimp assed stuff like gay pride, no smoking day, pirate day, proms etc, gets more attention and coverage than our heroes. For an example of how heroes are treated look to the usa. Thing is personally when i see a comparison of remembrance to xmas, i like others get angry as the reality is this country treats it's armed forces like sh**e, they get little if any help to deal with the stuff they have seen, many don't look to the help whilst they are serving as it could end their careers |
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Post by philbemmygas on Nov 7, 2017 8:07:20 GMT
Footnote:
The Club are holding the act of remembrance at the Mem gates this Friday, the following Saturday against Wimbledon will see the on pitch act of remembrance take place.
You can wear a poppy all year round if you wish, many of us do in different forms.
This Sunday the Prince of Wales will lead the nation in the act of remembrance at the Cenotaph in London, please feel free to attend a local parade if you are able and willing.
They shall grow not old,
as we that are left grow old;
age shall not weary them,
nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun
and in the morning,
we will remember them.
Lest we forget
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Post by midlandgas213 on Nov 7, 2017 9:23:39 GMT
Footnote: The Club are holding the act of remembrance at the Mem gates this Friday, the following Saturday against Wimbledon will see the on pitch act of remembrance take place. You can wear a poppy all year round if you wish, many of us do in different forms. This Sunday the Prince of Wales will lead the nation in the act of remembrance at the Cenotaph in London, please feel free to attend a local parade if you are able and willing. They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old; age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn. At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. Lest we forget i do wear my poppy all year round and also have a number of shirts with poppies on and with my touring caravan always fly a poppy flag when pitched up i will be attending a local service this Sunday and also I have the honour of being asked by a d day veteran to accompany him as his career to Normandy next June for the anniversary of d day I feel very lucky and privaliged to be doing this |
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Post by Baxtinho on Nov 7, 2017 10:09:11 GMT
So why post such a comment in the first place. Either support the poppy campaign or don't, your choice, everybody's choice. Freedom of choice, we after all live in a rich democracy. The club will respect tradition as will the bulk of the supporters. But really, Poppy facism? While I agree with it being a matter of choice, I think it has no place in football. Look at the crap James McClean gets for exercising his right to choose not to wear one. Look at a lot of the Premier League matches over the weekend. I imagine that a lot of players are just given shirts with them on and they choose to wear it rather than face the social media repercussions and column inches written if they didn't. Players from other continents or, for example, other religions who might not feel passionately about WW1 I expect just wear it for an easier ride. |
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Post by philbemmygas on Nov 7, 2017 12:03:52 GMT
Footnote: The Club are holding the act of remembrance at the Mem gates this Friday, the following Saturday against Wimbledon will see the on pitch act of remembrance take place. You can wear a poppy all year round if you wish, many of us do in different forms. This Sunday the Prince of Wales will lead the nation in the act of remembrance at the Cenotaph in London, please feel free to attend a local parade if you are able and willing. They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old; age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn. At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. Lest we forget i do wear my poppy all year round and also have a number of shirts with poppies on and with my touring caravan always fly a poppy flag when pitched up i will be attending a local service this Sunday and also I have the honour of being asked by a d day veteran to accompany him as his career to Normandy next June for the anniversary of d day I feel very lucky and privaliged to be doing this Good man  |
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Post by philbemmygas on Nov 7, 2017 12:07:54 GMT
So why post such a comment in the first place. Either support the poppy campaign or don't, your choice, everybody's choice. Freedom of choice, we after all live in a rich democracy. The club will respect tradition as will the bulk of the supporters. But really, Poppy facism? While I agree with it being a matter of choice, I think it has no place in football. Look at the crap James McClean gets for exercising his right to choose not to wear one. Look at a lot of the Premier League matches over the weekend. I imagine that a lot of players are just given shirts with them on and they choose to wear it rather than face the social media repercussions and column inches written if they didn't. Players from other continents or, for example, other religions who might not feel passionately about WW1 I expect just wear it for an easier ride. Many sportsmen were killed in both the major conflicts of the 20th century, people from all nations and religions fought on all sides. I can understand your viewpoint but for personal reasons and those above I can't agree with it. UTG |
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