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Post by peterparker on Nov 10, 2017 9:20:19 GMT
Genuine question because I don't know the answer- does this happen at any other club? I've been following the developments at Hearts and liked this update from their owner Ann Budge back in August. www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/6106Not everything is perfect at Hearts, for example the opening date for the stand has slipped back to later this month, but I think the style of this communication is excellent. Didnt they forget to order the seats?
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 10, 2017 9:24:56 GMT
So the plan is for us to play at UWE as per the original plans but this time not own the stadium or the land? If so this sounds more like the Coventry idea - under the old plan we would pay a peppercorn rent - under this scheme it would surely cost us in excess of £1m a year rent. Can't see that being sustainable Why is it any less sustainable than building it yourself? To do so still requires funding which will create debt that needs servicing or a funder that is looking for a return. If Coventry had owned their own ground, they would still have struggled when they fell on hard times. If they owned the asset, yes the could have sold it to buy some time but that just delays the inevitable, as it did for us when we sold Eastville. If you have no money it really doesn't matter if you are missing out on your mortgage payments or rent, the effect is you are still at risk of not having a roof over your head I guess someone else said exactly the same to the Rovers BoD back in the 50's and we all know how that panned out! I can't one league club who were ever evicted from a ground they owned. Assuming the ALQ's wouldn't have any problems raising the money to build the stadium, then why is this deal attractive to the Chinese but not them?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 9:27:27 GMT
I don't know Ed Ware, but if this is true, he sounds like someone to do business with - NOT. So is this the deal implied by 'ITK's' on here? Drip feeding this & now a mate of his his giving details on social media - this Ed Ware isn't very discreet then by the sounds of it. Perhaps he has already put the plan to ALQ's & they have said its a no goer, so he has decided to stir things? Who knows!! If this 'scheme' could work for us why wasn't it an option when Sainsbury's pulled out under the old board instead of taking the Wonga deal to chase a lost cause? I do know Ed Ware and that isn't the plan. Neither is it his idea to cream money for himself off the top which is basically the suggestion. The guy is gas through and through and always has been. The club will get the going rate card for the mem site so the club won't lose out in any way financially, it will enable us to move to UWE as per the original plans. At that point it will become another capitalist venture and not solely built by EWH. There is also up to a £6m grant available from the FA for all clubs building new stadia outside the championship which we qualify for. Clearly information (whether correct or otherwise) is starting to be drip fed - albeit I guess not in the way it was probably intended to be. On the face of it the ALQ's will not need to "relinquish" their ownership (unless they wish to). Have negotiations started with the family?
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Post by paulpirate on Nov 10, 2017 9:29:40 GMT
I Know olle clarke well and can confirm he's been paid his months wages. now stop talking poison. i would’ve given docked half his monthly wage,he’s half the player he was last season
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Post by BrightonGas on Nov 10, 2017 9:34:37 GMT
I don't know Ed Ware, but if this is true, he sounds like someone to do business with - NOT. So is this the deal implied by 'ITK's' on here? Drip feeding this & now a mate of his his giving details on social media - this Ed Ware isn't very discreet then by the sounds of it. Perhaps he has already put the plan to ALQ's & they have said its a no goer, so he has decided to stir things? Who knows!! If this 'scheme' could work for us why wasn't it an option when Sainsbury's pulled out under the old board instead of taking the Wonga deal to chase a lost cause? I do know Ed Ware and that isn't the plan. Neither is it his idea to cream money for himself off the top which is basically the suggestion. The guy is gas through and through and always has been. The club will get the going rate card for the mem site so the club won't lose out in any way financially, it will enable us to move to UWE as per the original plans. At that point it will become another capitalist venture and not solely built by EWH. There is also up to a £6m grant available from the FA for all clubs building new stadia outside the championship which we qualify for. Who hasn't been briefed on the Ed Ware plans?!
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Nov 10, 2017 9:47:36 GMT
I don't know Ed Ware, but if this is true, he sounds like someone to do business with - NOT. So is this the deal implied by 'ITK's' on here? Drip feeding this & now a mate of his his giving details on social media - this Ed Ware isn't very discreet then by the sounds of it. Perhaps he has already put the plan to ALQ's & they have said its a no goer, so he has decided to stir things? Who knows!! If this 'scheme' could work for us why wasn't it an option when Sainsbury's pulled out under the old board instead of taking the Wonga deal to chase a lost cause? I do know Ed Ware and that isn't the plan. Neither is it his idea to cream money for himself off the top which is basically the suggestion. The guy is gas through and through and always has been. The club will get the going rate card for the mem site so the club won't lose out in any way financially, it will enable us to move to UWE as per the original plans. At that point it will become another capitalist venture and not solely built by EWH. There is also up to a £6m grant available from the FA for all clubs building new stadia outside the championship which we qualify for. And is the idea that BRFC1883 will own StadiumUWE entirely, or not?
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 10, 2017 10:41:24 GMT
BRFC will own the stadium. I do not know any other commercial details presently.
I don't know either whether the approach has been made to the ALQ family yet or whether this is actually a viable alternative or whether the ALQs will actually want to sell up.
I do know that there have been 2 other consortiums interested. One has now completely cooled its interested. The other is American backed and the consortium have attended 3 games this season. Whether that's to invest or to take over I don't know.
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Post by abbeygas on Nov 10, 2017 10:41:47 GMT
I do know Ed Ware and that isn't the plan. Neither is it his idea to cream money for himself off the top which is basically the suggestion. The guy is gas through and through and always has been. The club will get the going rate card for the mem site so the club won't lose out in any way financially, it will enable us to move to UWE as per the original plans. At that point it will become another capitalist venture and not solely built by EWH. There is also up to a £6m grant available from the FA for all clubs building new stadia outside the championship which we qualify for. Who hasn't been briefed on the Ed Ware plans?! I was beginning to think I was the only one who hasn't. Welcome to the mushroom club Brighton Gas!
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Post by sipirate on Nov 10, 2017 10:47:55 GMT
I Suggest you use your brain.. i mean comon! The al quadifamily needed an outside source to pay wages hahaha The bloody borrow money to people from there slice of HSBC.. what on earth are you talking about?! Borrow money to people? What on earth are YOU talking about? You get the gist, don't start with that rubbish. Fact of the matter is he has done nothing but show his dedication to rovers during his time here, he was only stood in the away end with the fans when we got thumped last month... I bet he has been to more away game than most of the people writing on this forum! he is a great ambassador for the sport of football. he is vice chairmen of the Asian Football Development. he is a member of so many football charitable football organisations.. You people will really be the death of this club, with your vile poison you spread around. it's quite disgusting actually, feel bad for him and embarrassed on all of your behalf's. Win our next two and we could be in the playoffs, then you will all be noshing his footlong
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 10, 2017 10:49:07 GMT
Who hasn't been briefed on the Ed Ware plans?! I was beginning to think I was the only one who hasn't. Welcome to the mushroom club Brighton Gas! Well think if it this way. I doubt EW has the finiancial clout himself to run rovers and build the stadium. There will be partners and other parties and I don't believe all this information has come from one source, namely EW, I know for a fact it hasn't.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Nov 10, 2017 10:52:33 GMT
BRFC will own the stadium. I do not know any other commercial details presently. I don't know either whether the approach has been made to the ALQ family yet or whether this is actually a viable alternative or whether the ALQs will actually want to sell up. I do know that there have been 2 other consortiums interested. One has now completely cooled its interested. The other is American backed and the consortium have attended 3 games this season. Whether that's to invest or to take over I don't know. If EW has a plan to build the UWE that BRFC would own, why didn't he just take over BRFC last year? Seems a bit pointless to let Dwane take over and then want to wrestle the club from Dwane. Why didn't they just do it 6 years ago, instead of arsing about with Sainsbury's?
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Post by faggotygas on Nov 10, 2017 10:58:53 GMT
I heard a rumour... from Darrell Clarke... that everyone at the club is working hard. That the owners trying hard to take this club forward. It’s just a rumour. But maybe.... just maybe the owners aren’t trying to ruin us. Please can we get back to football now? Sure, all you need to do is not click on this thread
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Post by BrightonGas on Nov 10, 2017 11:02:51 GMT
I was beginning to think I was the only one who hasn't. Welcome to the mushroom club Brighton Gas! Well think if it this way. I doubt EW has the finiancial clout himself to run rovers and build the stadium. There will be partners and other parties and I don't believe all this information has come from one source, namely EW, I know for a fact it hasn't. Who has (Financial clout)!? I guess Manchester City have done ok not owning a stadium, maybe it is possible, although history suggests not. RIP Geoff
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Post by knowall on Nov 10, 2017 11:03:20 GMT
In order to build a stadium, capital is required.(£40m?) Certainly more than E Ware has. So who will provide the capital for say two years whilst stadium is built and what return would the lender require? Nothing? do not believe that. So that is the first profit take out. And who will actually own it? and what rights of income would they require? second profit take-out opportunity. And in order to move into the turn-key stadium, DSports would GIVE away The Mem? (£20m) third profit take-out opportunity. And are we saying in return for fronting £40m stadium build EW builders would have £20m Mem which would have to be knocked down in order to build houses and make a profit - rather expensive houses for Horfield area?
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 10, 2017 11:04:30 GMT
BRFC will own the stadium. I do not know any other commercial details presently. I don't know either whether the approach has been made to the ALQ family yet or whether this is actually a viable alternative or whether the ALQs will actually want to sell up. I do know that there have been 2 other consortiums interested. One has now completely cooled its interested. The other is American backed and the consortium have attended 3 games this season. Whether that's to invest or to take over I don't know. If EW has a plan to build the UWE that BRFC would own, why didn't he just take over BRFC last year? Seems a bit pointless to let Dwane take over and then want to wrestle the club from Dwane. Why didn't they just do it 6 years ago, instead of arsing about with Sainsbury's? According to another ex director I spoke to, it was believed very much at the time the ALQs were going to build the stadium without the need for them to do it themselves. That was the clincher for them to takeover. All things were in place. The ALQs, for all their reasons have not decided to build UWE and go a different path. Whatever Wael or Hamer says only depends on whether Hani and the old man want to open the cheque book so to speak. And quite clearly for whatever reason they aren't now prepared to do it. UWE still want to do the project and maybe EW feels that it was the wrong decision to sell the club to the ALQs and if he can take over he can get the job done. NH was also the majority shareholder of the club with BB. EW had a minority stake so unless he had the people alongside him 3 years ago he could have never have taken over himself. I believe this was the plan b the club also talked about. These aren't new plans. I saw the blueprints for redevelopment for housing around 4-5 years ago when Sainsbury's fell through and the JR appeal was in process.
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Post by matealotblue on Nov 10, 2017 11:04:44 GMT
I do know Ed Ware and that isn't the plan. Neither is it his idea to cream money for himself off the top which is basically the suggestion. The guy is gas through and through and always has been. The club will get the going rate card for the mem site so the club won't lose out in any way financially, it will enable us to move to UWE as per the original plans. At that point it will become another capitalist venture and not solely built by EWH. There is also up to a £6m grant available from the FA for all clubs building new stadia outside the championship which we qualify for. Who hasn't been briefed on the Ed Ware plans?! Me.
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Post by BrightonGas on Nov 10, 2017 11:10:29 GMT
Who hasn't been briefed on the Ed Ware plans?! Me. You're literally the last person to find out, congratulations, everybody else is up to speed with this far fetched ego boosting bull5h1t!! Diggers being hired as we speak I would imagine...what a waste of time. What is it with ex directors?
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 10, 2017 11:13:39 GMT
In order to build a stadium, capital is required.(£40m?) Certainly more than E Ware has. So who will provide the capital for say two years whilst stadium is built and what return would the lender require? Nothing? do not believe that. So that is the first profit take out. And who will actually own it? and what rights of income would they require? second profit take-out opportunity. And in order to move into the turn-key stadium, DSports would GIVE away The Mem? (£20m) third profit take-out opportunity. And are we saying in return for fronting £40m stadium build EW builders would have £20m Mem which would have to be knocked down in order to build houses and make a profit - rather expensive houses for Horfield area? Depends on the venture capitalists and how quickly they expect their return? We don't know who the partners are. BRFC will own the stadium. No suggestion DS will give the mem away. there is more profit on building apartments on the Mem land and other commercial ventures than just houses.
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Post by bradfordmeyerbiggs on Nov 10, 2017 11:19:40 GMT
I do know Ed Ware and that isn't the plan. Neither is it his idea to cream money for himself off the top which is basically the suggestion. The guy is gas through and through and always has been. The club will get the going rate card for the mem site so the club won't lose out in any way financially, it will enable us to move to UWE as per the original plans. At that point it will become another capitalist venture and not solely built by EWH. There is also up to a £6m grant available from the FA for all clubs building new stadia outside the championship which we qualify for. Who hasn't been briefed on the Ed Ware plans?! Me. I thought that the UWE was dead in the water? At first I thought it might be a bluff, but when nothing further happened that was that as far as I was coming. UTG
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Post by LJG on Nov 10, 2017 11:25:04 GMT
Who hasn't been briefed on the Ed Ware plans?! Me. I thought that the UWE was dead in the water? At first I thought it might be a bluff, but when nothing further happened that was that as far as I was coming. UTG Ooh err ...
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