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Post by lastminutewinner on Nov 12, 2017 21:58:56 GMT
I found it a bit strange how Lines (prior to the scunny game) bemoaned the fact we didnt have a Taylor to score goals to win matches.
We just spent £200-300k on Nichols who was supposed to do this for us.
Doesn't bode well when one of our most experienced players isn't confident we can score goals to win matches. If other players have that mentality then its no surprise we arent doing well?
But hey let DC and CL moan at fans moaning on a forum if that helps take away some of the flack eh!
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Post by markczgas on Nov 12, 2017 22:04:43 GMT
Thanks guys - a lot of interesting views. Most of you agree about more experience in the side, a lack of cover for the defence ( a strong CDM) and a lack of creativity and pace out wide. It sounds like we need 2 or 3 new faces in Jan if we aren't going to end up as whipping boys away from home. Interesting also Sean's views on a settled back 4 - couldn't agree with you more ! BUT if players are out of form then who do you pick ? Both Bola and Brown haven't showed consistency for me. On the right Leads was injured and probably still isn't at full speed whilst Parts is steady but as some say a bit flat-footed. The only defender who has impressed me this season is Broadbent - a revelation I would say ! Look forward to seeing Meyanese - maybe next Saturday On a plus side, I'd say we've done pretty well at home with only the Oldham game a big let down. The games have been entertaining (apart from MK Dons) and we've played some good stuff and looked like we can win most games, even v Oxford.
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Post by Jomo on Nov 12, 2017 22:13:48 GMT
Maybe read my post again? I specifically used momentum as my reasoning for our form this year. Momentum I believe carried us a long way last year in our first season back in L1, which is now not carrying us anymore. The whole "we've had a year in L1 now, so we should be used to it" I totally don't buy. Sure, it makes sense on the face of it, but in reality it does not work, as has been seen time and time and time again, look at Northampton and Wimbledon again as teams that came up with us, who are struggling even more than we are. I genuinely believe confidence and momentum have a massive role to play. I just hope we don't get sucked in my negative momentum which has taken Yeovil back down the leagues faster than they went up them in the first place. DC is doing a great job still all things considered, we need to stay strong and ride this out, and we'll be ok. Unfortunately if you had played league football as a professional you would know that what you are promulgating is wrong The first season in any division is a steep learning curve but by the end of it you know what to expect and adjust your game to match it. Adrenalin or momentum gets you through the first month or so and after that ito learn and do so quickly Have you played professionally? Genuine question, I thought I'd be clear on that as sometimes text speak sounds sarcastic or rude! I haven't played football professionally, but I take a keen interest in it at all levels, and respectfully I disagree with you. Momentum in my opinion can last for years, particularly when it becomes intertwined with a general "feeling" of optimism and riding the crest of a wave within the whole club. As soon as that feeling runs out, things can start to go south. I think the Snake insult and the even more disastrous UWE crap have done a lot to sour the good mood of the club this last year, and it's affected the fanbase and the team. My opinion of course, don't necessarily expect you to agree with me.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Nov 12, 2017 22:15:55 GMT
I seem to recall that Tom Lockyer and Ollie Clark both played in the defensive midfield together. We have enough centre halfs to allow Lockyer to play that defensive role again. We know he is quick and can tackle but his biggest attribute I believe he has is being able to read the game, just whats needed in the midfield. Play Broadbent and Menayaisee with Lockyer in front if them. One last point, BRFC are no good at hoof ball and havent been since the days of Devon White !!!Bit of an insult to 'dev' that, for a big guy he had decent feet, ok pace and was good at reading play.... To suggest he was instrumental at the long ball game would be incorrect.... I love Devon, and he did great things for us, but it is true that a massive part of our game back then was hoofing it to him as he was brilliant at winning flick ons and knock downs. We were a highly organised and efficient team and the likes of Penny, Boris, Billy et al were very good at latching on to the balls that Devon won. You're right that there was more to his game but let's not kid ourselves, his biggest assets were his height, strength and general awkwardness. Defenders hated playing against him.
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Post by Thatslife on Nov 12, 2017 22:24:40 GMT
I seem to recall that Tom Lockyer and Ollie Clark both played in the defensive midfield together. We have enough centre halfs to allow Lockyer to play that defensive role again. We know he is quick and can tackle but his biggest attribute I believe he has is being able to read the game, just whats needed in the midfield. Play Broadbent and Menayaisee with Lockyer in front if them. One last point, BRFC are no good at hoof ball and havent been since the days of Devon White !!!Bit of an insult to 'dev' that, for a big guy he had decent feet, ok pace and was good at reading play.... To suggest he was instrumental at the long ball game would be incorrect.... I didnt insult anybody, but tell me this, if Devon White played in our front line, do you think our huff ball game would be more prolific or not? BTW I was a Devon fan, his game couldnt be read by the oposition, they never knew what he was going to do because Devon didnt know himself.
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Post by madgas on Nov 13, 2017 6:44:20 GMT
I go to all the away games, and we are not an over achieving league 2 team, we are an over achieving conference team. Yesterday, we even tried playing a formation of 6-4-0 and still couldn't get the point that in fairness we probably deserved, but which I dread to see replicated in home games. We have no one who can beat defenders for pace, Leads who was ok yesterday in defence continues to go down the line, but stops when challenged, and still can't cross a ball. Biggest problem yesterday was he continually threw the ball to the opposition. Maybe he needs glasses. Brown needs replacing, but we missed out in the summer of poor recruitment. Not convinced by either keeper. Smith again yesterday left Broadbent high and dry on one occasion in the first half. Lines continues to do exactly nothing. He was by far the poorest player on the pitch yesterday. Sincs was ok. Sercombe ok, but no movement or forwards at times ahead of him to create anything. Broadbent again did well. Menayaisee (?) Brilliant. Cue being dropped next week. Harrison brilliant again up front and in defence. Gaffney, well, he's gaffers isn't he. Tries hard but not good enough. Nicholls, needs to be played on the last man, with a big guy up front with him. Yesterday, Gaffney and Harrison played as full backs as much as they did up front. Seems DC is at a loss what to do next. What he mustn't do is drop Broadbent or Menayaisee. Wouldn't bet on it though would you? We have become so predictable. Other clubs know how we will play before we do. Either the tinkering must stop, or we will be in real danger of relegation. Think- regarding players can’t critique those judgements. But it’s hard to say that the tinkering must stop and that we’ve become soooo predictable. I’d like us to go with 4 4 2 same back 5, Gaffney and Nichols up front. And then: Sercs, Clarke, Parts, Sinclair.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 9:14:04 GMT
Unfortunately if you had played league football as a professional you would know that what you are promulgating is wrong The first season in any division is a steep learning curve but by the end of it you know what to expect and adjust your game to match it. Adrenalin or momentum gets you through the first month or so and after that ito learn and do so quickly Have you played professionally? Genuine question, I thought I'd be clear on that as sometimes text speak sounds sarcastic or rude! I haven't played football professionally, but I take a keen interest in it at all levels, and respectfully I disagree with you. Momentum in my opinion can last for years, particularly when it becomes intertwined with a general "feeling" of optimism and riding the crest of a wave within the whole club. As soon as that feeling runs out, things can start to go south. I think the Snake insult and the even more disastrous UWE crap have done a lot to sour the good mood of the club this last year, and it's affected the fanbase and the team. My opinion of course, don't necessarily expect you to agree with me. Yes but many years ago
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Post by Jomo on Nov 13, 2017 9:52:42 GMT
Have you played professionally? Genuine question, I thought I'd be clear on that as sometimes text speak sounds sarcastic or rude! I haven't played football professionally, but I take a keen interest in it at all levels, and respectfully I disagree with you. Momentum in my opinion can last for years, particularly when it becomes intertwined with a general "feeling" of optimism and riding the crest of a wave within the whole club. As soon as that feeling runs out, things can start to go south. I think the Snake insult and the even more disastrous UWE crap have done a lot to sour the good mood of the club this last year, and it's affected the fanbase and the team. My opinion of course, don't necessarily expect you to agree with me. Yes but many years ago Fair do's, who did you play for?
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Post by Congas on Nov 13, 2017 12:23:56 GMT
The young centre backs, B & M, have potential but their lack of experience means they're still a slip-up away from ruining a good performance. I've watched all the games on iFollow and can only agree with most of what's been said here. We're poor in the tackle and most of the time back off rather than put in a decisive tackle, and we get split apart through our soft belly. I'm not sure what DC was trying to prove by parking the bus like he did here. It was tenterhooks throughout and by the end we'd dropped so far back with madcap defending that a goal was inevitable. The goal came from one of our defenders heading the ball back to the same bloke twice in a game of head tennis! The first few games of the season saw them building patiently from the back and keeping possession. I can't believe how far we've fallen in terms of quality in such a short space of time. They need to get their passing and possession game back, not resort to hoofball and head tennis in the box. The quicker Bodin is fit again the better.
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Post by markczgas on Nov 13, 2017 13:29:23 GMT
The young centre backs, B & M, have potential but their lack of experience means they're still a slip-up away from ruining a good performance. I've watched all the games on iFollow and can only agree with most of what's been said here. We're poor in the tackle and most of the time back off rather than put in a decisive tackle, and we get split apart through our soft belly. I'm not sure what DC was trying to prove by parking the bus like he did here. It was tenterhooks throughout and by the end we'd dropped so far back with madcap defending that a goal was inevitable. The goal came from one of our defenders heading the ball back to the same bloke twice in a game of head tennis! The first few games of the season saw them building patiently from the back and keeping possession. I can't believe how far we've fallen in terms of quality in such a short space of time. They need to get their passing and possession game back, not resort to hoofball and head tennis in the box. The quicker Bodin is fit again the better. I agree, I think it's also started to seeped into our home form too.
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Post by markczgas on Nov 13, 2017 13:31:03 GMT
I go to all the away games, and we are not an over achieving league 2 team, we are an over achieving conference team. Yesterday, we even tried playing a formation of 6-4-0 and still couldn't get the point that in fairness we probably deserved, but which I dread to see replicated in home games. We have no one who can beat defenders for pace, Leads who was ok yesterday in defence continues to go down the line, but stops when challenged, and still can't cross a ball. Biggest problem yesterday was he continually threw the ball to the opposition. Maybe he needs glasses. Brown needs replacing, but we missed out in the summer of poor recruitment. Not convinced by either keeper. Smith again yesterday left Broadbent high and dry on one occasion in the first half. Lines continues to do exactly nothing. He was by far the poorest player on the pitch yesterday. Sincs was ok. Sercombe ok, but no movement or forwards at times ahead of him to create anything. Broadbent again did well. Menayaisee (?) Brilliant. Cue being dropped next week. Harrison brilliant again up front and in defence. Gaffney, well, he's gaffers isn't he. Tries hard but not good enough. Nicholls, needs to be played on the last man, with a big guy up front with him. Yesterday, Gaffney and Harrison played as full backs as much as they did up front. Seems DC is at a loss what to do next. What he mustn't do is drop Broadbent or Menayaisee. Wouldn't bet on it though would you? We have become so predictable. Other clubs know how we will play before we do. Either the tinkering must stop, or we will be in real danger of relegation. Think- regarding players can’t critique those judgements. But it’s hard to say that the tinkering must stop and that we’ve become soooo predictable. I’d like us to go with 4 4 2 same back 5, Gaffney and Nichols up front. And then: Sercs, Clarke, Parts, Sinclair. That's a very dull midfield in my view. I really hope Bodin's back for Saturday to give us that flair and spark we so badly need.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 13, 2017 13:48:01 GMT
Unfortunately if you had played league football as a professional you would know that what you are promulgating is wrong The first season in any division is a steep learning curve but by the end of it you know what to expect and adjust your game to match it. Adrenalin or momentum gets you through the first month or so and after that ito learn and do so quickly Have you played professionally? Genuine question, I thought I'd be clear on that as sometimes text speak sounds sarcastic or rude! I haven't played football professionally, but I take a keen interest in it at all levels, and respectfully I disagree with you. Momentum in my opinion can last for years, particularly when it becomes intertwined with a general "feeling" of optimism and riding the crest of a wave within the whole club. As soon as that feeling runs out, things can start to go south. I think the Snake insult and the even more disastrous UWE crap have done a lot to sour the good mood of the club this last year, and it's affected the fanbase and the team. My opinion of course, don't necessarily expect you to agree with me. We started the season off poor v Posh & Charlton that was way before the UWE news broke you have to sense DC got things wrong in the summer, whether that was down to him or SH/the budget is anybody's guess. As regards to DC parking the bus on Saturday given we got thrashed at Pompey & Shrewsbury I thought it was the right option to take. Just a pity DC had nothing on the bench to bring, attacking wise, which probably highlights just how weak the squad is, as this time last season he could have brought on Boateng, Colkett or Monty now the only option is Moore!!!
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Post by madgas on Nov 13, 2017 20:18:31 GMT
Think- regarding players can’t critique those judgements. But it’s hard to say that the tinkering must stop and that we’ve become soooo predictable. I’d like us to go with 4 4 2 same back 5, Gaffney and Nichols up front. And then: Sercs, Clarke, Parts, Sinclair. That's a very dull midfield in my view. I really hope Bodin's back for Saturday to give us that flair and spark we so badly need. Yeah, granted if Bodin is back- he’d be in there. I’d say that freeing up Clarke wouldn’t be too bad. I wanna see him in shooting positions. Sercs isn’t a boring player. And Sincs will get involved from wide positions as a minimum.
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