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Post by Antonio Fargas on Dec 8, 2017 13:30:13 GMT
Not really. It's one sentence out of context. Gasincider obviously made a choice of what to post. Presumably SH said a load of other stuff, that hasn't been posted. Without any context about what else was said and why it hasn't been posted, and given Gasincider's posting history then Slide away's post seems like a fair assessment to me. You really are struggling to justify your contribution about my post. A word of advice. When in a hole stop digging. As always I have stated the truth. Even Henbury has backed it up. If there is a new rule about what we can post, can you in your role of moderator let us all know. If not, as usual, I'll post what I like within the sensible existing boundaries. And it will always be the truth. I'm not struggling at all. I didn't say it wasn't true, the point I was making was that you have chosen this thing to report of all the things you could have chosen. That's true, too. And I have chosen to post that, of all the things I could have posted. So, read my posts, what I actually say, before you talk bullshit about them. You can post what you like, and I can say what I like about what you post. That's the point of a forum. Again, I haven't said you can't post this stuff, so read what I actually post before you talk bullshit about that, too.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2017 14:10:21 GMT
Various Rose Tinters have claimed we should keep the faith and the new stadium,training ground etc will happen.One even resigned from the forum over 'Constant Negativity'.Currently at Portishead and travelling into Bristol we go past Ashton Gate daily.Even the Rose Tinters must realise now,nothing at all is happening except an open air film show and a second tent is all we have to show under the new regime. 'Be patient' we are urged.Makes me weep at our lack of ambition,lack of progress and constant failure over ground developement.Travelling past Ashton to-morrow ,I will drive blindfolded!!! You have to be realistic. What did SL inherit at BCFC ? Bigger crowds, an all seater stadium ,a better placed team .
The Al Qadis did not inherit this.
How long has SL been at ashton gate ?
If you remember they had to get a training and academy camp set up. Getting the right backroom staff at the club etc. They also tinkered with minor improvements at the stadium for years.
Eventually they put forward plans for a new stadium...that failed. Their second choice...the backup was to partially rebuild ashton gate .
The Al Qadis are basically following this same pathway...but are expected to do it quicker for some reason and from a worse stadium,smaller crowds and lower placed team.
Guess what the impatience of fans is already seeing them turn against the best benefactors the club have had , they must be watering themselves laughing in south Bristol.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2017 14:27:40 GMT
It was obvious that the ridiculous costs of the premier league were going to filter down to the championship and then over a few years it would filter down to league one. Wages will rise in league one then in time they will rise in league two. The rise in wages will see smaller squads in league one and two and many more loan players joining sides from higher clubs. This is the way that prem and champ clubs will get competitive football for all their youngsters.
Do not be surprised when league one clubs like Rovers have only 11 first team players 10 loan players and a handful of youngsters in their squads all season every season.
As for Bodin...if a team like Reading or Birmingham come in and offer a contract he will take it.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 8, 2017 14:29:07 GMT
Various Rose Tinters have claimed we should keep the faith and the new stadium,training ground etc will happen.One even resigned from the forum over 'Constant Negativity'.Currently at Portishead and travelling into Bristol we go past Ashton Gate daily.Even the Rose Tinters must realise now,nothing at all is happening except an open air film show and a second tent is all we have to show under the new regime. 'Be patient' we are urged.Makes me weep at our lack of ambition,lack of progress and constant failure over ground developement.Travelling past Ashton to-morrow ,I will drive blindfolded!!! You have to be realistic. What did SL inherit at BCFC ? Bigger crowds, an all seater stadium ,a better placed team .
The Al Qadis did not inherit this.
How long has SL been at ashton gate ?
If you remember they had to get a training and academy camp set up. Getting the right backroom staff at the club etc. They also tinkered with minor improvements at the stadium for years.
Eventually they put forward plans for a new stadium...that failed. Their second choice...the backup was to partially rebuild ashton gate .
The Al Qadis are basically following this same pathway...but are expected to do it quicker for some reason and from a worse stadium,smaller crowds and lower placed team.
Guess what the impatience of fans is already seeing them turn against the best benefactors the club have had , they must be watering themselves laughing in south Bristol.
I'd imagine the OTIB will be watering themselves at your own comments later today!! Either you're taking the water yourself or are blind to the true state of affairs at the club, as apart from a couple of new tents we're in virtually the same position as when the ALQ's bought the club.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Dec 8, 2017 14:34:05 GMT
You have to be realistic. What did SL inherit at BCFC ? Bigger crowds, an all seater stadium ,a better placed team .
The Al Qadis did not inherit this.
How long has SL been at ashton gate ?
If you remember they had to get a training and academy camp set up. Getting the right backroom staff at the club etc. They also tinkered with minor improvements at the stadium for years.
Eventually they put forward plans for a new stadium...that failed. Their second choice...the backup was to partially rebuild ashton gate .
The Al Qadis are basically following this same pathway...but are expected to do it quicker for some reason and from a worse stadium,smaller crowds and lower placed team.
Guess what the impatience of fans is already seeing them turn against the best benefactors the club have had , they must be watering themselves laughing in south Bristol.
I'd imagine the OTIB will be watering themselves at your own comments later today!! Either you're taking the water yourself or are blind to the true state of affairs at the club, as apart from a couple of new tents we're in virtually the same position as when the ALQ's bought the club. ..... and that's the point of his post the family have a very little time compared to the sh*t multi billionaire to sort this club, look again in 10 years and then compare
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Post by knowall on Dec 8, 2017 14:51:30 GMT
You have to be realistic. What did SL inherit at BCFC ? Bigger crowds, an all seater stadium ,a better placed team .
The Al Qadis did not inherit this.
How long has SL been at ashton gate ?
If you remember they had to get a training and academy camp set up. Getting the right backroom staff at the club etc. They also tinkered with minor improvements at the stadium for years.
Eventually they put forward plans for a new stadium...that failed. Their second choice...the backup was to partially rebuild ashton gate .
The Al Qadis are basically following this same pathway...but are expected to do it quicker for some reason and from a worse stadium,smaller crowds and lower placed team.
Guess what the impatience of fans is already seeing them turn against the best benefactors the club have had , they must be watering themselves laughing in south Bristol.
I'd imagine the OTIB will be watering themselves at your own comments later today!! Either you're taking the water yourself or are blind to the true state of affairs at the club, as apart from a couple of new tents we're in virtually the same position as when the ALQ's bought the club. Oh, you forgot to mention that when the Al-Qadi's took over we were about to renege on a £3million pound loan which would have put Bristol Rovers out of business and into administration, and owed money to Directors and others who were not able or not prepared to put any more in. In other words, if the AlQadi's had not bought the Club the Club would not now exist - slightly different to what you suggest? don't you agree?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2017 15:26:45 GMT
I'd imagine the OTIB will be watering themselves at your own comments later today!! Either you're taking the water yourself or are blind to the true state of affairs at the club, as apart from a couple of new tents we're in virtually the same position as when the ALQ's bought the club. Oh, you forgot to mention that when the Al-Qadi's took over we were about to renege on a £3million pound loan which would have put Bristol Rovers out of business and into administration, and owed money to Directors and others who were not able or not prepared to put any more in.[\b] In other words, if the AlQadi's had not bought the Club the Club would not now exist - slightly different to what you suggest? don't you agree?With a 12 million debt against the stadium and increasing annual losses we are pretty much in the same situation- how long will Hani be prepared to fund the current status quo? So far we only have assurances up to March 2018. The clock is ticking...
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 8, 2017 15:57:35 GMT
I'd imagine the OTIB will be watering themselves at your own comments later today!! Either you're taking the water yourself or are blind to the true state of affairs at the club, as apart from a couple of new tents we're in virtually the same position as when the ALQ's bought the club. Oh, you forgot to mention that when the Al-Qadi's took over we were about to renege on a £3million pound loan which would have put Bristol Rovers out of business and into administration, and owed money to Directors and others who were not able or not prepared to put any more in. In other words, if the AlQadi's had not bought the Club the Club would not now exist - slightly different to what you suggest? don't you agree? I was referring to what we see on match days not what is going on in the accounts dept.
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Post by knowall on Dec 8, 2017 16:10:07 GMT
Oh, you forgot to mention that when the Al-Qadi's took over we were about to renege on a £3million pound loan which would have put Bristol Rovers out of business and into administration, and owed money to Directors and others who were not able or not prepared to put any more in.[\b] In other words, if the AlQadi's had not bought the Club the Club would not now exist - slightly different to what you suggest? don't you agree?With a 12 million debt against the stadium and increasing annual losses we are pretty much in the same situation- how long will Hani be prepared to fund the current status quo? So far we only have assurances up to March 2018. The clock is ticking... Owing money and going out of business are two different things - Bristol Rovers have made annual losses as far back as I can remember (which is a long time) - the assurances you refer to are an accounting requirement and the 'up to' is what is required - no different to any other business where the Directors are funding. You really are grasping at desperate straws in an effort to suggest time is against us - what is against us are fear mongers.
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Post by e4bandrobinstubbs on Dec 8, 2017 16:11:40 GMT
I thought the ALQs bought Rovers for its potential.
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Post by knowall on Dec 8, 2017 16:22:57 GMT
Oh, you forgot to mention that when the Al-Qadi's took over we were about to renege on a £3million pound loan which would have put Bristol Rovers out of business and into administration, and owed money to Directors and others who were not able or not prepared to put any more in. In other words, if the AlQadi's had not bought the Club the Club would not now exist - slightly different to what you suggest? don't you agree? I was referring to what we see on match days not what is going on in the accounts dept. You would not be seeing a football team on match days if the Al Qadis had not stepped in
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Dec 8, 2017 16:24:14 GMT
Various Rose Tinters have claimed we should keep the faith and the new stadium,training ground etc will happen.One even resigned from the forum over 'Constant Negativity'.Currently at Portishead and travelling into Bristol we go past Ashton Gate daily.Even the Rose Tinters must realise now,nothing at all is happening except an open air film show and a second tent is all we have to show under the new regime. 'Be patient' we are urged.Makes me weep at our lack of ambition,lack of progress and constant failure over ground developement.Travelling past Ashton to-morrow ,I will drive blindfolded!!! You have to be realistic. What did SL inherit at BCFC ? Bigger crowds, an all seater stadium ,a better placed team .
The Al Qadis did not inherit this.
How long has SL been at ashton gate ?
If you remember they had to get a training and academy camp set up. Getting the right backroom staff at the club etc. They also tinkered with minor improvements at the stadium for years.
Eventually they put forward plans for a new stadium...that failed. Their second choice...the backup was to partially rebuild ashton gate .
The Al Qadis are basically following this same pathway...but are expected to do it quicker for some reason and from a worse stadium,smaller crowds and lower placed team.
Guess what the impatience of fans is already seeing them turn against the best benefactors the club have had , they must be watering themselves laughing in south Bristol.
Plus the bottomless pit of money SL has to do whatever he wants.
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Post by blueridge on Dec 8, 2017 16:31:28 GMT
I'd imagine the OTIB will be watering themselves at your own comments later today!! Either you're taking the water yourself or are blind to the true state of affairs at the club, as apart from a couple of new tents we're in virtually the same position as when the ALQ's bought the club. Oh, you forgot to mention that when the Al-Qadi's took over we were about to renege on a £3million pound loan which would have put Bristol Rovers out of business and into administration, and owed money to Directors and others who were not able or not prepared to put any more in. In other words, if the AlQadi's had not bought the Club the Club would not now exist - slightly different to what you suggest? don't you agree? Genuine question: Why was the 'internal bid' turned down? A big thank you to NH then for selling the club to the right people? However -the Al-Qadi's didn't buy us to save us - I would suggest they saw us at the time as being a relatively 'cheap to buy' low risk business opportunity - which on the face of it has gone 'tits up' for them. Maybe the UWE didn't want to be involved with overseas investors and the influence of The Merchant Venturers came to the fore.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2017 16:39:48 GMT
With a 12 million debt against the stadium and increasing annual losses we are pretty much in the same situation- how long will Hani be prepared to fund the current status quo? So far we only have assurances up to March 2018. The clock is ticking... Owing money and going out of business are two different things - Bristol Rovers have made annual losses as far back as I can remember (which is a long time) - the assurances you refer to are an accounting requirement and the 'up to' is what is required - no different to any other business where the Directors are funding. You really are grasping at desperate straws in an effort to suggest time is against us - what is against us are fear mongers. I get that it is an accounting exercise primarily but does that mean it is 100% guaranteed that they will just roll it on another year? Either way, the AQs have been quite careful to secure any investment in the club, what happens when they run out of security? Will they just risk money out of their own pocket? All the available evidence so far suggests no way. Amd yes we have always lost money but never at the levels we are losing money now. The tipping point is going to come sooner than later so rather than scaremongering it is simply being realistic to have grave concerns about whether the club will still be here in 5 years time.
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Post by Parrot on Dec 8, 2017 16:55:31 GMT
I was referring to what we see on match days not what is going on in the accounts dept. You would not be seeing a football team on match days if the Al Qadis had not stepped in This is very true. We were Hours away from administration, legal papers had been drawn up , Fact
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Post by knowall on Dec 8, 2017 17:07:10 GMT
Owing money and going out of business are two different things - Bristol Rovers have made annual losses as far back as I can remember (which is a long time) - the assurances you refer to are an accounting requirement and the 'up to' is what is required - no different to any other business where the Directors are funding. You really are grasping at desperate straws in an effort to suggest time is against us - what is against us are fear mongers. I get that it is an accounting exercise primarily but does that mean it is 100% guaranteed that they will just roll it on another year? Either way, the AQs have been quite careful to secure any investment in the club, what happens when they run out of security? Will they just risk money out of their own pocket? All the available evidence so far suggests no way. Amd yes we have always lost money but never at the levels we are losing money now. The tipping point is going to come sooner than later so rather than scaremongering it is simply being realistic to have grave concerns about whether the club will still be here in 5 years time. The 'Security' aspect really is a red herring - and they are already risking their own money - ask any banker especially one who has dealt with distress sales. And when the next accounts are published you can be sure the same assurances will be there - as they have been in the years before the Al-Qadi's came along. If you think the levels of deficit are higher now then it shows the commitment being given by our funders and the use of 'tipping point' etc IS scaremongering. Were you so worried about the future five years ago under Higgs and Co? - well you should have been because that is when the debts were being racked up!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2017 17:25:00 GMT
I get that it is an accounting exercise primarily but does that mean it is 100% guaranteed that they will just roll it on another year? Either way, the AQs have been quite careful to secure any investment in the club, what happens when they run out of security? Will they just risk money out of their own pocket? All the available evidence so far suggests no way. Amd yes we have always lost money but never at the levels we are losing money now. The tipping point is going to come sooner than later so rather than scaremongering it is simply being realistic to have grave concerns about whether the club will still be here in 5 years time. The 'Security' aspect really is a red herring - and they are already risking their own money - ask any banker especially one who has dealt with distress sales. And when the next accounts are published you can be sure the same assurances will be there - as they have been in the years before the Al-Qadi's came along. If you think the levels of deficit are higher now then it shows the commitment being given by our funders and the use of 'tipping point' etc IS scaremongering. Were you so worried about the future five years ago under Higgs and Co? - well you should have been because that is when the debts were being racked up! So its the same as before but not as bad? Its all a bit of an anti-climax sadly.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2017 17:36:27 GMT
I get that it is an accounting exercise primarily but does that mean it is 100% guaranteed that they will just roll it on another year? Either way, the AQs have been quite careful to secure any investment in the club, what happens when they run out of security? Will they just risk money out of their own pocket? All the available evidence so far suggests no way. Amd yes we have always lost money but never at the levels we are losing money now. The tipping point is going to come sooner than later so rather than scaremongering it is simply being realistic to have grave concerns about whether the club will still be here in 5 years time. The 'Security' aspect really is a red herring - and they are already risking their own money - ask any banker especially one who has dealt with distress sales. And when the next accounts are published you can be sure the same assurances will be there - as they have been in the years before the Al-Qadi's came along. If you think the levels of deficit are higher now then it shows the commitment being given by our funders and the use of 'tipping point' etc IS scaremongering. Were you so worried about the future five years ago under Higgs and Co? - well you should have been because that is when the debts were being racked up! Well it was easier *not* to worry under Higgs and co as they appeared to be using their own money to bank roll the club, primarily funding players when needed. It seemed to me that they needed to produce a successful club in order to get their investment back so had some 'skin in the game' so to speak. Also there was the fact they were local businessmen amd were fans of the club so could be reasonably trusted not to do something like sell our ground from under our feet. Apparently they nearly took us to the wall but I guess I cut them some slack because they always dug deep when we needed players and they tried their best to leave a legacy of a decent stadium, they were very naive dealing with a machine like Sainsburys and that proved to be their downfall. The new owners are far harder to trust, mainly because they are not local, they are not supporters and they have an investment banking background which rings alarm bells. Like Higgs and co they have spoken of grand plans and failed to deliver on them. They can at any time sell the stadium to recoup money and the question I have is: why wouldnt they? If you are Hani and have no interest in football why wouldnt you sell the ground when enough is enough? What is stopping you? Why would you care? So far Hani remains elusive, it would be a welcome move if he were to speak to GT and we could get an idea of where the organ grinder sees the club going as Wael and Hamer are mere monkeys. The fact that he won't bothers me greatly, quite frankly. So until I see more commitment than a lick of paint in the bogs I will continue to worry about our future. I find it hard to think of us being 'saved' by the AQ's as although we still have a club it is basically on life support: Stadium plans up in smoke, an infrastrcuture even our own manager says is 30 years out of date, not much chance of achieving significant investment in that area and a club wrapped up in a straight jacket of debt so tight that it now puts us out of the reach of any sane investor. Doesn't feel much like being 'saved' really.
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Post by knowall on Dec 8, 2017 17:37:58 GMT
The 'Security' aspect really is a red herring - and they are already risking their own money - ask any banker especially one who has dealt with distress sales. And when the next accounts are published you can be sure the same assurances will be there - as they have been in the years before the Al-Qadi's came along. If you think the levels of deficit are higher now then it shows the commitment being given by our funders and the use of 'tipping point' etc IS scaremongering. Were you so worried about the future five years ago under Higgs and Co? - well you should have been because that is when the debts were being racked up! So its the same as before but not as bad? Its all a bit of an anti-climax sadly. Give it time my dear Sherlock
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Post by aghast on Dec 8, 2017 17:41:00 GMT
So, they have saved us from administration, they have transformed the back room staffing, they have bought a training ground, the Mem will be redeveloped one day,and they have no intention of calling in the debt.
We owe £12m, and debts increase by £1m - £2m per annum, but they are in this for the long term.
Very reassuring.
But what do they ever get out of this apparently very one-sided deal?
You can trust in the ALQs all you like, but they're not a charity for poor deprived football clubs.
What's in it for them?
Someone must know.
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