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Dec 31, 2017 10:27:14 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2017 10:27:14 GMT
Waste of a decent loan - he’s miles better than Nichols but due to the fact he’s not our player he has suffered. I’d be asking stoke to recall me in the jan window and look I go elsewhere where I’d get games! A bit like Charlie Colkett I have a feeling we may face him second half of the season as I think he can do league 1 easy!
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Post by axegas on Dec 31, 2017 10:44:44 GMT
It's mainly due to Harrison's excellent and consistent form this season which was perhaps unforeseeable when the decision was made to bring Telford into the club. Yes, we do play three up front in most matches however Bodin and Harrison are undroppable which means there is only one place which Telford has to compete for with Nichols and Gaffney. When it's between a striker who is in decent form, another who we paid 350k for in the summer and an unproven loanee, we all know who is going to get the least game time. Unless we are beset with injury problem's I can see this remaining for the end of the season and Telford will only fall further down the pecking order if we bring a LW into the club in January. This is a shame as from the little I have seen in him, I believe Telford to be a good player. It would probably be better if we return him to Stoke and use the wages elsewhere in the squad for more pressing areas to improve. I don't think it is really to do with Ellis. You have Ellis and Gaffney fighting for a spot and Nichols and Telford for a spot, I think that was the way DC looks at it at the start of the season. How bad does Nichols have to be so Telford gets his chance! In recent games, DC has been using Gaffney on the left ahead of Nichols and both are in competition for that spot. All of the Strikers at the club are in competition with one another, my point was that you can easily see how Telford is not picked. If Nichols has a bad game then Gaffney will play, If Gaffney has a bad game Nichols will play ect. If Nichols and Telford are competing for a spot, why is it the neither are getting much game time at the minute?
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 31, 2017 10:55:53 GMT
Waste of a decent loan - he’s miles better than Nichols but due to the fact he’s not our player he has suffered. I’d be asking stoke to recall me in the jan window and look I go elsewhere where I’d get games! A bit like Charlie Colkett I have a feeling we may face him second half of the season as I think he can do league 1 easy! Out of interest in which league game was Telford miles better than Nichol, I think Nichol has been a poor signing but Telford has hardly been that great.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Dec 31, 2017 10:59:33 GMT
Waste of a decent loan - he’s miles better than Nichols but due to the fact he’s not our player he has suffered. I’d be asking stoke to recall me in the jan window and look I go elsewhere where I’d get games! A bit like Charlie Colkett I have a feeling we may face him second half of the season as I think he can do league 1 easy! Out of interest in which league game was Telford miles better than Nichol, I think Nichol has been a poor signing but Telford has hardly been that great. Scored plenty in a checkatrade game and one in our demolition of Northampton. Other than that he hasn’t done a lot in my eyes. Both games I’ve not been at. Whenever I’ve seen him i haven’t been blown away by him and I don’t get supporters obsessions with him. Nichols looks stronger but I don’t think he gets service.
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Post by Iliveinbidefordgas on Dec 31, 2017 11:03:47 GMT
With the amount of game time Telfords had can anyone really say how good or not he is?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2017 12:02:30 GMT
Why are you fixated on telford though? What about dunwald,russe,hargreaves and menayese?I think telford started both the checkatrade defeats against west ham and swindon and failed to impress. I think others have mentioned that without the emergency loan system we need to sign extra cover.I think those two sentences kind of contradict each other. Imo if a loan player isn't good enough to get into the first XI then they shouldn't be here and the likes of the above should be given a squad place instead of them Thats a fair point. I actually think most of our loans these last 2 seasons have simply been signed for cover as dc obviously dosnt trust the development players enough right now. I think its a cheap way of filling out the squad thats all.
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Post by peterhooper57 on Dec 31, 2017 12:20:34 GMT
I personally liked Charlie Colkett, very skillful player, would have kept him and played him every week. Nichols was probably bought on a recommendation from Marcus Stewart, l don’t think he is played in his best position, but was bought to replace that snake ******** and has not done it. Dominic Telford has not had a decent opportunity and should IMO be given a run in the side.
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Post by madgas on Dec 31, 2017 12:29:01 GMT
I think given our problems wide left, the effort made by the strikers has been good this season. Desperately need some natural width out there. With Bodin coming in- we look stiff.
Telford would have got more game time, had we played a more conventional 4-4-2. Current systems are being played to cover our attacking impotenancy wide left.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Dec 31, 2017 12:34:11 GMT
I personally liked Charlie Colkett, very skillful player, would have kept him and played him every week. Nichols was probably bought on a recommendation from Marcus Stewart, l don’t think he is played in his best position, but was bought to replace that snake ******** and has not done it. Dominic Telford has not had a decent opportunity and should IMO be given a run in the side. Not for me. No doubting his potential but he was a style over substance player for me and those players are generally the ones that flatter to deceive.
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Dec 31, 2017 14:22:46 GMT
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Post by daniel300380 on Dec 31, 2017 14:22:46 GMT
I personally liked Charlie Colkett, very skillful player, would have kept him and played him every week. Nichols was probably bought on a recommendation from Marcus Stewart, l don’t think he is played in his best position, but was bought to replace that snake ******** and has not done it. Dominic Telford has not had a decent opportunity and should IMO be given a run in the side. Not for me. No doubting his potential but he was a style over substance player for me and those players are generally the ones that flatter to deceive. I agree, not ready for league 1 Football week in week out. If he was that good, Swindon wouldn't have gone down.
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Dec 31, 2017 18:02:40 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2017 18:02:40 GMT
Waste of a decent loan - he’s miles better than Nichols but due to the fact he’s not our player he has suffered. I’d be asking stoke to recall me in the jan window and look I go elsewhere where I’d get games! A bit like Charlie Colkett I have a feeling we may face him second half of the season as I think he can do league 1 easy! Out of interest in which league game was Telford miles better than Nichol, I think Nichol has been a poor signing but Telford has hardly been that great. Telford has more potential is his little toe than Nichols has altogether.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2017 18:21:54 GMT
There is no point getting in loan players if you're not going to play them and they're no better than what you already have IMHO. But DC sees him day in day out in training so he must have his reasons. Even with the best homework you can probably never be certain that what you bring in will be better than what we have, especially with young championship/prem players who may have never played a single game of senior football in their lives. Also, with signings being restricted to two windows loans are used to beef up the squad to provide cover for all positions - particularly in the lower divisions with budgets tight?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2017 18:29:03 GMT
I sometimes wonder what our scouting network is all about. The best centre forward I've seen at the Mem this season was Keiffer Moore - a West Country lad languishing at Forest Greem this time last year - Ipswich took a punt on him and bought him for £10k. Woukd he have come to us on loan last summer instead of Rotherham? He would have been an ideal signing playing alongside Ellis and could have saved us the thick end of £300k + we paid for Nicholls. And he has performed much better in a higher league than Christian Doidge. I bet there have been threads on other teams forums asking how did Bristol Rovers get Taylor, how did Bristol Rovers get Bodin , how did Bristol Rovers get Byron Moore (ok forget that one), why did we miss them or why did we let them go
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Post by Henbury Gas on Dec 31, 2017 18:35:41 GMT
Nichols was brought on again yesterday and as usual did absolutely nothing. As its been mentioned on here before at least Luke James tried!! Nichols has to be DC's worst signing ever!! If Nichols was 6 foot 5 he may have a chance to get to the crap kick it and run balls up to him. Play him balls in the channel and he will score loads for us Bad Tactics by DC with poor players on the field = No goals for Nichols
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 31, 2017 18:39:49 GMT
Out of interest in which league game was Telford miles better than Nichol, I think Nichol has been a poor signing but Telford has hardly been that great. Telford has more potential is his little toe than Nichols has altogether. So you can't answer the question then?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2017 20:24:01 GMT
Waste of a decent loan - he’s miles better than Nichols but due to the fact he’s not our player he has suffered. I’d be asking stoke to recall me in the jan window and look I go elsewhere where I’d get games! A bit like Charlie Colkett I have a feeling we may face him second half of the season as I think he can do league 1 easy! Never convinced by Colkett or Clarke-Salter although I was full of optimism when they first signed. Colkett showed nice touches but like so many young players brought thought the current system wants to do all the fancy flicks and play in a free role without having to do any of the donkey work. I suspect he will end up as a league one player. Clarke-Salter appears more highly regarded by Chelsea and England and has progressed from the England under 20's to under 21's and odd cup match on the bench for Chelsea. How he was bullied by Steve Morrison in the Millwall game was a worry but he may strengthen with age. However, I suspect he'll follow the route of Michael Mancienne and end up in the Championship at best. Whether there is any truth I don't know but heard both were on between £10k and £20k per week (Chelsea must have paid the bulk of their loan wages). May take away a bit of the hunger if these figures are anywhere near accurate?
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Post by bradfordmeyerbiggs on Dec 31, 2017 23:22:45 GMT
I'm a nutshell. Too lightweight.
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Post by Wimborne Gas on Dec 31, 2017 23:31:39 GMT
I'm a nutshell. Too lightweight. Don't put yourself down
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jan 1, 2018 11:49:12 GMT
That's a good point actually, I didn't think about the new system when I posted that. Like yourself, I'm not a fan. Like I suggested on today's match thread Telford was brought in as back up for Nichol not to replace him. I'm not really sure Telford has done anything to prove he deserves to be picked ahead of Nichol. He has not had the chance ffs
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jan 1, 2018 11:56:01 GMT
I think the snag is with Nichols is that when we pay 300k for a player he simply has to deliver because we never pay that sort of cash! Other clubs drop that sort of money and think nothing of it. Therefore Telford (who I think looks a handy player) won’t get a chance because Nichols has got to be seen to be money well spent. Not all transfers work out but at Rovers they basically have to be world beaters when they cost that much. It’s a vicious circle really because the price tag just adds more pressure to be a success. Hopefully he’llstart banging goals away in the New Year. UTG Nail on the head mate. DC is trying, very hard, to play Nichols into form, to justify the fee paid. I feel that unless he gets the service, he will never justify the purchase. Many say he is being played out of position and as I don’t know where he play for posh, I don’t know where his favoured position is. Lets hope I am very wrong and that he turns out to be a slow starter, as both Lambert and snake were
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