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Post by midlandgas213 on Jan 15, 2018 18:59:45 GMT
ok now 2 weeks in and we have 1 player sold and 1 player purchased plus a few out on loan so this is a start and IQ looks good on paper and what we have heard hope he gets a decent run out on Saturday after being with the squad for longer , would also like to see his initiation lol. So lets hope over the coming days we can see some more action in the transfer market and some communication from the club UTG Seek to save yourself time by exploring if this post can be automated every Monday morning for the next 3 weeks why when I am only updating the original post
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 15, 2018 19:11:55 GMT
But isn't there always the Bolton's etc of this world in Div 1? Next season we could have Birmingham & Sunderland plus Luton in Div 1, whilst it might be a struggle to compete with the top 6 I can't see the likes of Rochdale Oldham & Bury etc are suddenly spending a fortune on players wages. Regardless how the hell are we ever going to compete in the Championship if we are even struggling to compete in Div 1, wage wise. Bury are reportedly paying a fortune on a few of their players (Beckford, Maguire etc) and Oldham just signed Ben Pringle who was rumoured to be on a good wage at Preston, they also got Queensy Menig on a loan from the French top flight and are about to receive investment from a Moroccan businessman. if we can't compete financially with Bury & Oldham, with crowds well over double there's, we must be doing something seriously wrong!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 19:21:59 GMT
Bury are reportedly paying a fortune on a few of their players (Beckford, Maguire etc) and Oldham just signed Ben Pringle who was rumoured to be on a good wage at Preston, they also got Queensy Menig on a loan from the French top flight and are about to receive investment from a Moroccan businessman. if we can't compete financially with Bury & Oldham, with crowds well over double there's, we must be doing something seriously wrong! Well the Al-Q's have been here nigh on 2 years now so you would of thought they'd sussed it out.
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Post by socrates on Jan 15, 2018 19:26:32 GMT
Bury are reportedly paying a fortune on a few of their players (Beckford, Maguire etc) and Oldham just signed Ben Pringle who was rumoured to be on a good wage at Preston, they also got Queensy Menig on a loan from the French top flight and are about to receive investment from a Moroccan businessman. if we can't compete financially with Bury & Oldham, with crowds well over double there's, we must be doing something seriously wrong! Maybe DC didn’t want those players. Let’s see what happens this season and see how we’ve done compared to Oldham and Bury before we say there’s something seriously wrong shall we ?
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 15, 2018 20:01:08 GMT
if we can't compete financially with Bury & Oldham, with crowds well over double there's, we must be doing something seriously wrong! Maybe DC didn’t want those players. Let’s see what happens this season and see how we’ve done compared to Oldham and Bury before we say there’s something seriously wrong shall we ? Could be desperation over pragmatism. Also a few high earners, especially if known to the others, could cause issues in the dressing room from the lower paid players when things get tough.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 15, 2018 20:07:12 GMT
if we can't compete financially with Bury & Oldham, with crowds well over double there's, we must be doing something seriously wrong! Maybe DC didn’t want those players. Let’s see what happens this season and see how we’ve done compared to Oldham and Bury before we say there’s something seriously wrong shall we ? I was talking about playing budgets generally in Div 1 not about specific players. Given DC keeps referring to only having a bottom 6 budget perhaps there's some truth in what he's saying.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 20:26:43 GMT
Bury are reportedly paying a fortune on a few of their players (Beckford, Maguire etc) and Oldham just signed Ben Pringle who was rumoured to be on a good wage at Preston, they also got Queensy Menig on a loan from the French top flight and are about to receive investment from a Moroccan businessman. if we can't compete financially with Bury & Oldham, with crowds well over double there's, we must be doing something seriously wrong! If a league two player can double his wage by moving to league one . Though property prices are twice the price in the south . It means a southern club will need to pay even more money to tempt a player south. So it could be seen as Rovers only really being able to attract players already in the south unless they can pay a lot more on the wages front (something D.C. mentioned wanting).
The more football clubs that are based in this region that are in the football league the easier it will be to find players willing to come to Rovers. Players can move around the clubs in the northwest and not have to move house if they dont want to ,and theres a lot of clubs at all levels up there.
So whilst wanting Rovers to be top dogs i would hope FGR can stay in the league . That W-S-M ,Bath city , Hereford , Worcester city , Merthyr , Poole and Salisbury all get there eventually.
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Post by aghast on Jan 15, 2018 20:48:05 GMT
if we can't compete financially with Bury & Oldham, with crowds well over double there's, we must be doing something seriously wrong! If a league two player can double his wage by moving to league one . Though property prices are twice the price in the south . It means a southern club will need to pay even more money to tempt a player south. So it could be seen as Rovers only really being able to attract players already in the south unless they can pay a lot more on the wages front (something D.C. mentioned wanting).
The more football clubs that are based in this region that are in the football league the easier it will be to find players willing to come to Rovers. Players can move around the clubs in the northwest and not have to move house if they dont want to ,and theres a lot of clubs at all levels up there.
So whilst wanting Rovers to be top dogs i would hope FGR can stay in the league . That W-S-M ,Bath city , Hereford , Worcester city , Merthyr , Poole and Salisbury all get there eventually.
I'm sure that most clubs with a little bit of dosh, and us, include the rent of a house in the transfer deal. I don't think players buy houses near their new club in L1 and L2. Might be wrong. But if I am, how has anyone ever joined Wimbledon or Barnet?
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 15, 2018 20:52:53 GMT
If a league two player can double his wage by moving to league one . Though property prices are twice the price in the south . It means a southern club will need to pay even more money to tempt a player south. So it could be seen as Rovers only really being able to attract players already in the south unless they can pay a lot more on the wages front (something D.C. mentioned wanting).
The more football clubs that are based in this region that are in the football league the easier it will be to find players willing to come to Rovers. Players can move around the clubs in the northwest and not have to move house if they dont want to ,and theres a lot of clubs at all levels up there.
So whilst wanting Rovers to be top dogs i would hope FGR can stay in the league . That W-S-M ,Bath city , Hereford , Worcester city , Merthyr , Poole and Salisbury all get there eventually.
I'm sure that most clubs with a little bit of dosh, and us, include the rent of a house in the transfer deal. I don't think players buy houses near their new club in L1 and L2. Might be wrong. But if I am, how has anyone ever joined Wimbledon or Barnet? Renting is also proportionally higher, although I assumed our ticket prices etc aren't the cheapest in Div 1, but the number of players signed for our Development Squad suggests attracting players to the club isn't that big an issue.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 15, 2018 21:05:24 GMT
I always just assumed the club owned a number of houses that some players use.
I could be wrong, but don't Ellis and Tom Lockyer share a place?
Cant imagine it's ever worth the hassle of buying your own place as a lower league footballer.
It's rare for a player to spend more than a few years at one club these days.
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Post by midlandgas213 on Jan 15, 2018 22:22:11 GMT
I always just assumed the club owned a number of houses that some players use. I could be wrong, but don't Ellis and Tom Lockyer share a place? Cant imagine it's ever worth the hassle of buying your own place as a lower league footballer. It's rare for a player to spend more than a few years at one club these days. And don't the younger players sort of stay at a guest house purely for them?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 22:58:31 GMT
I'm sure that most clubs with a little bit of dosh, and us, include the rent of a house in the transfer deal. I don't think players buy houses near their new club in L1 and L2. Might be wrong. But if I am, how has anyone ever joined Wimbledon or Barnet? Renting is also proportionally higher, although I assumed our ticket prices etc aren't the cheapest in Div 1, but the number of players signed for our Development Squad suggests attracting players to the club isn't that big an issue. Rent is nearly double that of Accrington for example. When renting its all dead money you get nothing back when you move. If you are from the northwest for example you may well buy a family home knowing there is a fair chance you can commute everyday. Doesnt D.C. commute in ? lives southampton way doesnt he ? ...i would assume he doesnt therefore rent (?) Young players get housed or placed or still live with family.
EDIT:Wimbledon and Barnet most likely have players from the south east who accept the prices as normal. About 20million population in the London and surrounding counties offers a fair choice of footballers no doubt.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 23:05:37 GMT
The other thing thats changed is were in league 1 competing with blackburn,charlton,mk dons,peterbro,sheff utd,millwall,bolton etc. In other words backing the manager with money is more expensive than it was before. But isn't there always the Bolton's etc of this world in Div 1? Next season we could have Birmingham & Sunderland plus Luton in Div 1, whilst it might be a struggle to compete with the top 6 I can't see the likes of Rochdale Oldham & Bury etc are suddenly spending a fortune on players wages. Regardless how the hell are we ever going to compete in the Championship if we are even struggling to compete in Div 1, wage wise. The posts are about higgs supporting dc and higgs never supported dc in league 1 so he never had the problem of supporting dc in league 1. The new owners have had that problem,its nothing to do with which teams are in the division.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 23:18:20 GMT
The other thing thats changed is were in league 1 competing with blackburn,charlton,mk dons,peterbro,sheff utd,millwall,bolton etc. In other words backing the manager with money is more expensive than it was before. But isn't there always the Bolton's etc of this world in Div 1? Next season we could have Birmingham & Sunderland plus Luton in Div 1, whilst it might be a struggle to compete with the top 6 I can't see the likes of Rochdale Oldham & Bury etc are suddenly spending a fortune on players wages. Regardless how the hell are we ever going to compete in the Championship if we are even struggling to compete in Div 1, wage wise. If Rovers were competing in league one based on 3000 crowds and got promoted the stadium would allow for a massive increase in income with 7-8000 more people able to be squeezed in. However Rovers are virtually filling the stadium and would be week in if they were in the top three. That leaves no room for extra income if promoted. All the club could do is put the prices up. That is why for Bristol Rovers a bigger stadium is essential as promotion would see demand increase and there wouldnt be the capacity to house them. BRFC would be turning away customers.
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Post by madgas on Jan 15, 2018 23:45:28 GMT
If players are really considering house prices- they are coming for the wrong reasons... It should be about their career- and although we’re great, largely I want footballers that are looking to kick on.
I think we’re just biding our time.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 16, 2018 5:21:46 GMT
If players are really considering house prices- they are coming for the wrong reasons... It should be about their career- and although we’re great, largely I want footballers that are looking to kick on. I think we’re just biding our time. Who takes a job without considering how much money they will have left at the end of the week??? Would you leave your current job to take on a more responsible role, move house and leave all your mates behind for less money than you are currently earning?
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Post by Squiffy on Jan 16, 2018 5:33:17 GMT
If it meant time away from her indoors then it’s got to be worth considering. 😉
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Post by madgas on Jan 16, 2018 7:31:37 GMT
If players are really considering house prices- they are coming for the wrong reasons... It should be about their career- and although we’re great, largely I want footballers that are looking to kick on. I think we’re just biding our time. Who takes a job without considering how much money they will have left at the end of the week??? Would you leave your current job to take on a more responsible role, move house and leave all your mates behind for less money than you are currently earning? Football isn’t any job. In my job- it is not considered that I ‘peak before 35’ everyday I gain more experience that in theory is useful. Footballers should go where they believe they can either win things or progress. Signing for bury might house price advantages BUT will it further your carreer? We should be boasting the likes of Taylor, Bodin and the remaining ones- as these are illustrations of players going forward than they were when they started. I agree money is relevant but making out that house prices play a role is odd. I remember a few years ago that Roy Keane said Sunderland struggle to sign players because it’s not a place people want to live, (never been so I don’t share those views). Also it’s just never been cited as a reason before. There’s a far easier solution, assuming thriftiness is an underlying factor for than turning down ‘good moves,’ rent a smaller house. Friends, family and spouses would play are far significant role.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 16, 2018 8:11:22 GMT
Who takes a job without considering how much money they will have left at the end of the week??? Would you leave your current job to take on a more responsible role, move house and leave all your mates behind for less money than you are currently earning? Football isn’t any job. In my job- it is not considered that I ‘peak before 35’ everyday I gain more experience that in theory is useful. Footballers should go where they believe they can either win things or progress. Signing for bury might house price advantages BUT will it further your carreer? We should be boasting the likes of Taylor, Bodin and the remaining ones- as these are illustrations of players going forward than they were when they started. I agree money is relevant but making out that house prices play a role is odd. I remember a few years ago that Roy Keane said Sunderland struggle to sign players because it’s not a place people want to live, (never been so I don’t share those views). Also it’s just never been cited as a reason before. There’s a far easier solution, assuming thriftiness is an underlying factor for than turning down ‘good moves,’ rent a smaller house. Friends, family and spouses would play are far significant role. Maybe I have a more cynical and less positive view of footballers than you do, so respect you for that. If I was just a lower league journeyman pro with a limited shelf life I would probably make sure I did whatever is necessary to ensure the financial security of my family before I worried about my career. I also accept that I may, in fact, be completely wrong.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 16, 2018 9:01:26 GMT
Football isn’t any job. In my job- it is not considered that I ‘peak before 35’ everyday I gain more experience that in theory is useful. Footballers should go where they believe they can either win things or progress. Signing for bury might house price advantages BUT will it further your carreer? We should be boasting the likes of Taylor, Bodin and the remaining ones- as these are illustrations of players going forward than they were when they started. I agree money is relevant but making out that house prices play a role is odd. I remember a few years ago that Roy Keane said Sunderland struggle to sign players because it’s not a place people want to live, (never been so I don’t share those views). Also it’s just never been cited as a reason before. There’s a far easier solution, assuming thriftiness is an underlying factor for than turning down ‘good moves,’ rent a smaller house. Friends, family and spouses would play are far significant role. Maybe I have a more cynical and less positive view of footballers than you do, so respect you for that. If I was just a lower league journeyman pro with a limited shelf life I would probably make sure I did whatever is necessary to ensure the financial security of my family before I worried about my career. I also accept that I may, in fact, be completely wrong. I guess it depends on the player, a younger one with no family would probably look at whether he could get games, an older one with a young family would look at settling down with house and schools a priority so would want to stay locally, moving around teams in the area.
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