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Post by Wembley_Gas on Jan 12, 2018 20:57:39 GMT
The good thing about having the development squad is that we don't have to be quite so ruthless when converting academy products into first time pros. On more than one occasion we've let a promising talent go because we simply didn't have room in a squad that wouldn't play many competitive games outside the first team fixtures. We also had to release players who hadn't finished growing but, at the time we had to make a decision about their futures, they were not tall enough or physical enough to gamble on. When you have a development squad you can take more risks. Russe, for example, is a good little footballer and was youth player of the year...but given his stature if we didn't have a development squad and it was a straight contest for one midfield place between Hargreaves and Russe he might well have lost out.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Jan 12, 2018 21:39:31 GMT
Thanks for mainly positive replies so far , i will keep an eye out for nominated players when i implement new years resolution 2! to catch more of Rovers other teams in action! Always difficult to know when to give young players there wings i suppose, but thats what managers and coaches are paid for i reckon!seem to remember one Bobby Zamora scoring goals for fun at youth level then we sold him and never got the benefit of those goals in the first team, did he ever play for first team? my memory not so good , but do remember watching football combination games at Eastville in front of decent crowds, especially Bradford's comeback game! enough of this nostalgia , this is supposed to be about the future!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 22:14:29 GMT
Thanks for mainly positive replies so far , i will keep an eye out for nominated players when i implement new years resolution 2! to catch more of Rovers other teams in action! Always difficult to know when to give young players there wings i suppose, but thats what managers and coaches are paid for i reckon!seem to remember one Bobby Zamora scoring goals for fun at youth level then we sold him and never got the benefit of those goals in the first team, did he ever play for first team? my memory not so good , but do remember watching football combination games at Eastville in front of decent crowds, especially Bradford's comeback game! enough of this nostalgia , this is supposed to be about the future! If work etc allows try and watch a development game,its well worth a watch. They are very competitive,like an old western league premier division game. You get a good view of chris hargreaves in action on the sidelines. In my case i had 2 fairly long conversations with darrell clarke mostly on topic about the young players.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 22:23:33 GMT
The owners have been hammered by quite a few posters on here and i myself have also been very doubtful about several issues but they have introduced this development squad full of willing young players and managed by a seasoned pro and ex manager. They have added more coaching staff into the mix as well as clearly understanding the need for a training facility where all the players are in one place. What keeps me optimistic in the main is why bother with all this if you dont actually want to create something good at bristol rovers? We recently sacked our chief academy coach because we were not happy with him,why bother unless maybe the owners are determined to build a good youth set up?
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 12, 2018 22:25:35 GMT
How can any DS player kick on when they never get a chance in the first team, TBH I'd sooner see Broom etc given a chance than have Bola & Telford sat on the bench in front of them, giving our youngsters any real game time seems to be one of DC's failings. Broom,dunwald,andre,menayese,hargreaves and russe have all played for the 1st team this season! No more than one game each though, which is hardly sufficient time to make an impression. Although it's not just this season, I can't think of one Rovers youngster who was given his debut by DC and his still playing first team football.
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Post by pirate on Jan 12, 2018 22:35:08 GMT
Having watched a couple of development squad games, I think there are some promising players, but don't think any are ready to make the step up...yet.
Left back Michael Kelly caught my eye in pre-season and was recently in the National League South Team of the Weekend following Bath City's 0-0 draw against Truro City. He has previously captained a Scotland U17 side and is one to keep an eye on.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 22:36:12 GMT
Broom,dunwald,andre,menayese,hargreaves and russe have all played for the 1st team this season! No more than one game each though, which is hardly sufficient time to make an impression. Although it's not just this season, I can't think of one Rovers youngster who was given his debut by DC and his still playing first team football. Broom and menayese more than 1. Sometimes just a taste of 1st team can be helpful for a player not quite ready. On the other hand in professional football when you get a chance you have to grab it and impress the manager and several players including broom and telford failed to do that in the swindon and west ham games. Its no good saying its a rubbish cup the west ham lads were flat out against us and broom,telford and bola didnt perform.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 22:39:23 GMT
Having watched a couple of development squad games, I think there are some promising players, but don't think any are ready to make the step up...yet. Left back Michael Kelly caught my eye in pre-season and was recently in the National League South Team of the Weekend following Bath City's 0-0 draw against Truro City. He has previously captained a Scotland U17 side and is one to keep an eye on. Kelly talks very well on the pitch and is a nice footballer,my doubt about him is he may not be physically strong enough but lets see.
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 12, 2018 22:47:34 GMT
seem to remember one Bobby Zamora scoring goals for fun at youth level then we sold him and never got the benefit of those goals in the first team, did he ever play for first team? Yes, Bobby played a few games for the first team in the 99/00 season that we somehow managed to f*ck up promotion. That season we had 5 strikers, Jason Roberts, Jamie Cureton, Nathan Ellington, Nigel Pierre(Remember him?) and Zamora. Incredible looking back now, isn't it? Bobby was loaned to Bath in The Conference where he scored 7 in 5 games, then he was loaned to Brighton for a month where he scored 6 in 6 games. Then we sold him for £100k. Within 2 years Brighton sold him for £5M. The mind still boggles.
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Post by darkbluegas on Jan 12, 2018 22:56:44 GMT
seem to remember one Bobby Zamora scoring goals for fun at youth level then we sold him and never got the benefit of those goals in the first team, did he ever play for first team? Yes, Bobby played a few games for the first team in the 99/00 season that we somehow managed to f*ck up promotion. That season we had 5 strikers, Jason Roberts, Jamie Cureton, Nathan Ellington, Nigel Pierre(Remember him?) and Zamora. Incredible looking back now, isn't it? Bobby was loaned to Bath in The Conference where he scored 7 in 5 games, then he was loaned to Brighton for a month where he scored 6 in 6 games. Then we sold him for £100k. Within 2 years Brighton sold him for £5M. The mind still boggles. Did Nigel Pierre ever get to us. I remember the long drawn out work permit negotiations that ultimately failed. I think due to Trinidad & Tobago's low world rankings. His wiki page says three appearances?
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Post by pirate on Jan 12, 2018 22:57:55 GMT
seem to remember one Bobby Zamora scoring goals for fun at youth level then we sold him and never got the benefit of those goals in the first team, did he ever play for first team? Yes, Bobby played a few games for the first team in the 99/00 season that we somehow managed to f*ck up promotion. That season we had 5 strikers, Jason Roberts, Jamie Cureton, Nathan Ellington, Nigel Pierre(Remember him?) and Zamora. Incredible looking back now, isn't it? Bobby was loaned to Bath in The Conference where he scored 7 in 5 games, then he was loaned to Brighton for a month where he scored 6 in 6 games. Then we sold him for £100k. Within 2 years Brighton sold him for £5M. The mind still boggles. Incredible list of strikers. I wish Nigel Pierre had got his permit too, he went on to score 22 goals in 57 games for Trinidad. In the end I think Zamora made us about £1 million from various clauses, but still could've been more. The mind boggles how that team didn't get promoted!
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Post by pirate on Jan 12, 2018 22:58:57 GMT
Yes, Bobby played a few games for the first team in the 99/00 season that we somehow managed to f*ck up promotion. That season we had 5 strikers, Jason Roberts, Jamie Cureton, Nathan Ellington, Nigel Pierre(Remember him?) and Zamora. Incredible looking back now, isn't it? Bobby was loaned to Bath in The Conference where he scored 7 in 5 games, then he was loaned to Brighton for a month where he scored 6 in 6 games. Then we sold him for £100k. Within 2 years Brighton sold him for £5M. The mind still boggles. Did Nigel Pierre ever get to us. I remember the long drawn out work permit negotiations that ultimately failed. I think due to Trinidad & Tobago's low world rankings. His wiki page says three appearances? I remember Pierre making an appearance away at Bury.
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 12, 2018 23:01:18 GMT
Yes, Bobby played a few games for the first team in the 99/00 season that we somehow managed to f*ck up promotion. That season we had 5 strikers, Jason Roberts, Jamie Cureton, Nathan Ellington, Nigel Pierre(Remember him?) and Zamora. Incredible looking back now, isn't it? Bobby was loaned to Bath in The Conference where he scored 7 in 5 games, then he was loaned to Brighton for a month where he scored 6 in 6 games. Then we sold him for £100k. Within 2 years Brighton sold him for £5M. The mind still boggles. Did Nigel Pierre ever get to us. I remember the long drawn out work permit negotiations that ultimately failed. I think due to Trinidad & Tobago's low world rankings. His wiki page says three appearances? Yeah I think he made about 3. He came on as a sub for his home debut, I cant remember who it was against and he looked phenomenal. He made his full debut away at Bury.
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 12, 2018 23:05:31 GMT
Yes, Bobby played a few games for the first team in the 99/00 season that we somehow managed to f*ck up promotion. That season we had 5 strikers, Jason Roberts, Jamie Cureton, Nathan Ellington, Nigel Pierre(Remember him?) and Zamora. Incredible looking back now, isn't it? Bobby was loaned to Bath in The Conference where he scored 7 in 5 games, then he was loaned to Brighton for a month where he scored 6 in 6 games. Then we sold him for £100k. Within 2 years Brighton sold him for £5M. The mind still boggles. Incredible list of strikers. I wish Nigel Pierre had got his permit too, he went on to score 22 goals in 57 games for Trinidad. In the end I think Zamora made us about £1 million from various clauses, but still could've been more. The mind boggles how that team didn't get promoted! Not too mention Wally Walters who must've chipped in with 10+ goals, and we signed The Latvian in Feb/March. It really is incredible how we didn't go up. We finished 7th yet i'm pretty sure most other seasons our points tally would of got us in the top 3/4 easily, even in the top 2 on a couple of occasions.
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Post by banjogas on Jan 12, 2018 23:20:39 GMT
I love how some people think players can step up from Yate town to League one...!!!
U23 must be playing in the National League and doing very well before D.C. would even think about giving them a chance eg sitting on the bench.
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Post by pepsi on Jan 13, 2018 6:54:04 GMT
Did Nigel Pierre ever get to us. I remember the long drawn out work permit negotiations that ultimately failed. I think due to Trinidad & Tobago's low world rankings. His wiki page says three appearances? I remember Pierre making an appearance away at Bury. I thought it was Oldham. Not sure how many he played. Not many.
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Post by pirate on Jan 13, 2018 6:59:01 GMT
I remember Pierre making an appearance away at Bury. I thought it was Oldham. Not sure how many he played. Not many. He played against both Bury and Oldham away. Gastafari was right, he made 3 appearances. bristolrovers.wikia.com/wiki/Nigel_Pierre
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Jan 13, 2018 8:22:50 GMT
That Bury game was awful on their sandpit of a pitch. The Pierre situation was frustrating to say the least. We obtained his registration to play in the football league and were able to play him whilst his work permit decision was "pending". Then as soon as it was rejected we held the registration of a player we couldn't play. Pretty sure we were approached a couple of times to tear up that registration so that he could have another go at obtaining one. We couldn't submit another application but we could appeal if he played enough international games ... but either they weren't of a sufficient standard or he'd got cheesed off with us for holding on to the registration too long ..but whatever it was we never got to see him again..a lot of effort wasted - we do that a lot!
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 13, 2018 8:36:04 GMT
That Bury game was awful on their sandpit of a pitch. The Pierre situation was frustrating to say the least. We obtained his registration to play in the football league and were able to play him whilst his work permit decision was "pending". Then as soon as it was rejected we held the registration of a player we couldn't play. Pretty sure we were approached a couple of times to tear up that registration so that he could have another go at obtaining one. We couldn't submit another application but we could appeal if he played enough international games ... but either they weren't of a sufficient standard or he'd got cheesed off with us for holding on to the registration too long ..but whatever it was we never got to see him again..a lot of effort wasted - we do that a lot! It was a rediculous rule, though. Nowaday's players from all over the globe sign for clubs, without ant problem at all. Yet we weren't allowed to sign somebody who was a full international.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 3, 2020 16:13:35 GMT
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