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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 30, 2018 13:23:51 GMT
As I said on the other thread it is a bit pathetic for someone to be classed as a City supporter or told to go and support City just for viewing Rovers ownership from a critical angle. It is a public forum and people's views should be debated not shut down through shaming. But y'know, that is football fans for you I guess: "hurr durr chuff of and suport sity" etc. Not at all. Nearly all of your negativity is apparently motivated by how well the sh1t are doing at the moment. You freely admit that yourself. The bottom line is your issue isn't really with Rovers at all but with City. There's a simple solution to that. Stop caring about the plastic franchise?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2018 13:30:12 GMT
You mean that field? You are patting them on the back for stuff they haven't even done (and might not even achieve) yet. Wasn't it supppsed to be open by now? And you are stabbing them in the back for stuff they have yet to do that you say they won't!! I'm waiting to see if they deliver and until they do I will be sceptical because they haven't done a lot so far to earn any faith. There was a lot of bullish talk when they arrived and since then we won't be getting the UWE (most people assume this is because it was a bad deal for the club although is there any proof of this?), the training ground has failed to be built and open in time for when we were told it would, we won't be getting an Academy because the numbers don't add up etc. They have said a lot and delivered nothing apart from a development squad and some backroom appointments whilst putting a loan against the stadium and charging interest. It is all very underwhelming and makes them about only slightly more credible than the last lot to me and even then that is only because the family themselves seem to operate a bank successfully. Worryingly the manager is making noises that he isn't happy with the progress of things and being the manager he should be in more of a position than most to judge whether anything is going to happen under DS. So yes, there is plenty there to be sceptical about. And if wanting this club to be so much better than it currently is makes me a shithead then well...I guess I am using that bizarre logic! I honestly can't see why people have so much faith, although I wonder partly if that is because it is a case of 'anyone but Higgs' running the show. That is not to excuse Higgs of course, people were very critical of Higgs and rightly so, so it is only right that DS get the same amount of scrutiny.
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Post by baggins on Jan 30, 2018 13:37:22 GMT
And you are stabbing them in the back for stuff they have yet to do that you say they won't!! I'm waiting to see if they deliver and until they do I will be sceptical because they haven't done a lot so far to earn any faith. There was a lot of bullish talk when they arrived and since then we won't be getting the UWE (most people assume this is because it was a bad deal for the club although is there any proof of this?), the training ground has failed to be built and open in time for when we were told it would, we won't be getting an Academy because the numbers don't add up etc. They have said a lot and delivered nothing apart from a development squad and some backroom appointments whilst putting a loan against the stadium and charging interest. It is all very underwhelming and makes them about only slightly more credible than the last lot to me and even then that is only because the family themselves seem to operate a bank successfully. Worryingly the manager is making noises that he isn't happy with the progress of things and being the manager he should be in more of a position than most to judge whether anything is going to happen under DS. So yes, there is plenty there to be sceptical about. And if wanting this club to be so much better than it currently is makes me a shithead then well...I guess I am using that bizarre logic! I honestly can't see why people have so much faith, although I wonder partly if that is because it is a case of 'anyone but Higgs' running the show. That is not to excuse Higgs of course, people were very critical of Higgs and rightly so, so it is only right that DS get the same amount of scrutiny. Just go away.
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Post by peterparker on Jan 30, 2018 13:44:50 GMT
I'm waiting to see if they deliver and until they do I will be sceptical because they haven't done a lot so far to earn any faith. There was a lot of bullish talk when they arrived and since then we won't be getting the UWE (most people assume this is because it was a bad deal for the club although is there any proof of this?), the training ground has failed to be built and open in time for when we were told it would, we won't be getting an Academy because the numbers don't add up etc. No proof that it was a good deal eitherThey have said a lot and delivered nothing apart from a development squad and some backroom appointments whilst putting a loan against the stadium and charging interest. It is all very underwhelming and makes them about only slightly more credible than the last lot to me and even then that is only because the family themselves seem to operate a bank successfully. None of those thing actually mean anything in themselves until such time as Interest is actually taken or the ground is used in repayment. Ex Directors ACCRUED (the actual word you are looking for) interest before it was written offWorryingly the manager is making noises that he isn't happy with the progress of things and being the manager he should be in more of a position than most to judge whether anything is going to happen under DS. Darrell Clarke says lots of thingsSo yes, there is plenty there to be sceptical about. And if wanting this club to be so much better than it currently is makes me a shithead then well...I guess I am using that bizarre logic! I honestly can't see why people have so much faith, although I wonder partly if that is because it is a case of 'anyone but Higgs' running the show. That is not to excuse Higgs of course, people were very critical of Higgs and rightly so, so it is only right that DS get the same amount of scrutiny.
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Post by baggins on Jan 30, 2018 14:01:24 GMT
And you are stabbing them in the back for stuff they have yet to do that you say they won't!! I'm waiting to see if they deliver and until they do I will be sceptical because they haven't done a lot so far to earn any faith. There was a lot of bullish talk when they arrived and since then we won't be getting the UWE (most people assume this is because it was a bad deal for the club although is there any proof of this?), the training ground has failed to be built and open in time for when we were told it would, we won't be getting an Academy because the numbers don't add up etc. They have said a lot and delivered nothing apart from a development squad and some backroom appointments whilst putting a loan against the stadium and charging interest. It is all very underwhelming and makes them about only slightly more credible than the last lot to me and even then that is only because the family themselves seem to operate a bank successfully. Worryingly the manager is making noises that he isn't happy with the progress of things and being the manager he should be in more of a position than most to judge whether anything is going to happen under DS. So yes, there is plenty there to be sceptical about. And if wanting this club to be so much better than it currently is makes me a shithead then well...I guess I am using that bizarre logic! I honestly can't see why people have so much faith, although I wonder partly if that is because it is a case of 'anyone but Higgs' running the show. That is not to excuse Higgs of course, people were very critical of Higgs and rightly so, so it is only right that DS get the same amount of scrutiny. There's only one reason why you don't comment on Stevek's summary and why you don't join in on the matchday thread even on a Sunday when everyone is reflecting on the performance and telling us of their day.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 30, 2018 15:11:03 GMT
And you are stabbing them in the back for stuff they have yet to do that you say they won't!! I'm waiting to see if they deliver and until they do I will be sceptical because they haven't done a lot so far to earn any faith. There was a lot of bullish talk when they arrived and since then we won't be getting the UWE (most people assume this is because it was a bad deal for the club although is there any proof of this?), the training ground has failed to be built and open in time for when we were told it would, we won't be getting an Academy because the numbers don't add up etc. They have said a lot and delivered nothing apart from a development squad and some backroom appointments whilst putting a loan against the stadium and charging interest. It is all very underwhelming and makes them about only slightly more credible than the last lot to me and even then that is only because the family themselves seem to operate a bank successfully. Worryingly the manager is making noises that he isn't happy with the progress of things and being the manager he should be in more of a position than most to judge whether anything is going to happen under DS. So yes, there is plenty there to be sceptical about. And if wanting this club to be so much better than it currently is makes me a shithead then well...I guess I am using that bizarre logic! I honestly can't see why people have so much faith, although I wonder partly if that is because it is a case of 'anyone but Higgs' running the show. That is not to excuse Higgs of course, people were very critical of Higgs and rightly so, so it is only right that DS get the same amount of scrutiny. No issue with that but scrutiny needs to be balanced and unbiased. It also needs to be free from supposition. Many posters appear to say UWE fell through therefore Hani wants out. It's 1+2=elephant. It's clearly just completely made up bollocks and only makes these people look like they are trying to find any reason to slate the club. Just as the Keep the faith brigade base lots of positives on nothing, most of the doubters "evidence" is equally non existent. I see no reason to continuing to perpetuate negative images of the club any more than we should be carrying Wael down the road on our shoulders.
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Post by LJG on Jan 30, 2018 15:32:24 GMT
I'm waiting to see if they deliver and until they do I will be sceptical because they haven't done a lot so far to earn any faith. There was a lot of bullish talk when they arrived and since then we won't be getting the UWE (most people assume this is because it was a bad deal for the club although is there any proof of this?), the training ground has failed to be built and open in time for when we were told it would, we won't be getting an Academy because the numbers don't add up etc. They have said a lot and delivered nothing apart from a development squad and some backroom appointments whilst putting a loan against the stadium and charging interest. It is all very underwhelming and makes them about only slightly more credible than the last lot to me and even then that is only because the family themselves seem to operate a bank successfully. Worryingly the manager is making noises that he isn't happy with the progress of things and being the manager he should be in more of a position than most to judge whether anything is going to happen under DS. So yes, there is plenty there to be sceptical about. And if wanting this club to be so much better than it currently is makes me a shithead then well...I guess I am using that bizarre logic! I honestly can't see why people have so much faith, although I wonder partly if that is because it is a case of 'anyone but Higgs' running the show. That is not to excuse Higgs of course, people were very critical of Higgs and rightly so, so it is only right that DS get the same amount of scrutiny. No issue with that but scrutiny needs to be balanced and unbiased. It also needs to be free from supposition. Many posters appear to say UWE fell through therefore Hani wants out. It's 1+2=elephant. It's clearly just completely made up bollocks and only makes these people look like they are trying to find any reason to slate the club. Just as the Keep the faith brigade base lots of positives on nothing, most of the doubters "evidence" is equally non existent. I see no reason to continuing to perpetuate negative images of the club any more than we should be carrying Wael down the road on our shoulders.I actually think that's still an unduly harsh way of looking at things. There is no reason to perpetuate negative images because there simply is no reason to continue to perpetuate negative images. Until such time that there evidently is there is no reason to. On the other hand saying there is no reason to carry Wael or be grateful or positive towards the family ignores reality - whether they have done anything extra or not they have saved the club for now from a precipice. There is no divine right for Bristol Rovers Football Club to continue to exist and there wasn't when Higgs was potless and Wonga were at the door. The way I see it, if you lean too far out the hotel window and your mate grabs you by the shirt collar to stop you falling out you don't ask "What has he ever done for me"? just because he hasn't dragged you back in yet.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 30, 2018 15:39:48 GMT
No issue with that but scrutiny needs to be balanced and unbiased. It also needs to be free from supposition. Many posters appear to say UWE fell through therefore Hani wants out. It's 1+2=elephant. It's clearly just completely made up bollocks and only makes these people look like they are trying to find any reason to slate the club. Just as the Keep the faith brigade base lots of positives on nothing, most of the doubters "evidence" is equally non existent. I see no reason to continuing to perpetuate negative images of the club any more than we should be carrying Wael down the road on our shoulders.I actually think that's still an unduly harsh way of looking at things. There is no reason to perpetuate negative images because there simply is no reason to continue to perpetuate negative images. Until such time that there evidently is there is no reason to. On the other hand saying there is no reason to carry Wael or be grateful or positive towards the family ignores reality - whether they have done anything extra or not they have saved the club for now from a precipice. There is no divine right for Bristol Rovers Football Club to continue to exist and there wasn't when Higgs was potless and Wonga were at the door. The way I see it, if you lean too far out the hotel window and your mate grabs you by the shirt collar to stop you falling out you don't ask "What has he ever done for me"? just because he hasn't dragged you back in yet. That depends on whether your friend ever told you that if you fall out the window, they'd pull you back in. Many certainly feel that expectations were raised about what this new board would do for the club. I agree, they may well have stopped us falling out the window, but there is so far no evidence they are going to pull us back in. So, grateful. Yes. Very much so. But that doesn't mean we will see a new ground or that DC will suddenly get 3M to spend in the summer.
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Post by gas2 on Jan 30, 2018 15:56:38 GMT
Just a bit on the side New railway stations being built at Ashley down henbury and north filton would help traffic problems at the new men park and ride a train to the game ? This might persuade the family to build a new stadium in north Bristol
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Post by LJG on Jan 30, 2018 16:02:36 GMT
I actually think that's still an unduly harsh way of looking at things. There is no reason to perpetuate negative images because there simply is no reason to continue to perpetuate negative images. Until such time that there evidently is there is no reason to. On the other hand saying there is no reason to carry Wael or be grateful or positive towards the family ignores reality - whether they have done anything extra or not they have saved the club for now from a precipice. There is no divine right for Bristol Rovers Football Club to continue to exist and there wasn't when Higgs was potless and Wonga were at the door. The way I see it, if you lean too far out the hotel window and your mate grabs you by the shirt collar to stop you falling out you don't ask "What has he ever done for me"? just because he hasn't dragged you back in yet. That depends on whether your friend ever told you that if you fall out the window, they'd pull you back in. Many certainly feel that expectations were raised about what this new board would do for the club. I agree, they may well have stopped us falling out the window, but there is so far no evidence they are going to pull us back in. So, grateful. Yes. Very much so. But that doesn't mean we will see a new ground or that DC will suddenly get 3M to spend in the summer. I suppose a better analogy would be your brother grabbed your collar and wasn't strong enough to pull you back in so your mate stepped up and took hold but then said "Hang on if I pull you back the window frame will splinter and we'll fall out together. We're going to hang on like this for a while while we think of something else but in the meantime here's a caprisun and a Lion Bar and I'll tie some sheets round your waist to make things more comfortable". I'd still be pretty happy he's caught me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2018 16:03:25 GMT
I've been disappointed with our new owners, when they took over i thought we had finally got some financial clout behind us and we were at last ready for more than artists impressions of a new home fit for purpose. But i suppose that's my fault for dreaming. Has no effect on my support of the team though come kick off time.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 30, 2018 16:07:49 GMT
That depends on whether your friend ever told you that if you fall out the window, they'd pull you back in. Many certainly feel that expectations were raised about what this new board would do for the club. I agree, they may well have stopped us falling out the window, but there is so far no evidence they are going to pull us back in. So, grateful. Yes. Very much so. But that doesn't mean we will see a new ground or that DC will suddenly get 3M to spend in the summer. I suppose a better analogy would be your brother grabbed your collar and wasn't strong enough to pull you back in so your mate stepped up and took hold but then said "Hang on if I pull you back the window frame will splinter and we'll fall out together. We're going to hang on like this for a while while we think of something else but in the meantime here's a caprisun and a Lion Bar and I'll tie some sheets round your waist to make things more comfortable". I'd still be pretty happy he's caught me. A Lion Bar?? Make it an out of date Twix and I'm on board.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2018 19:30:13 GMT
I see the al qadis have been voted the most boring billionaire football owners in the world 🌎
......By me!
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Post by gaslife on Jan 30, 2018 19:31:44 GMT
Keeping Rovers at The Memorial Dump indefinitely, the Al-Qadi’s grand plan apparently, is a gift for Steve Lansdown.
A big step towards City finally achieving their goal as the only One Team In Bristol.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2018 19:35:27 GMT
Take me back to the good old days of being skint and fighting to survive any day over these particular “rich” owners! They always say the rich stay rich because they are tight bastards! So true!
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 30, 2018 20:08:24 GMT
Take me back to the good old days of being skint and fighting to survive any day over these particular “rich” owners! They always say the rich stay rich because they are tight bastards! So true! So you would rather be skint and fighting to survive because you dont like our owners who won't spend a penny on us meaning we have to fight just to survive? Seriously?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 30, 2018 20:09:14 GMT
Keeping Rovers at The Memorial Dump indefinitely, the Al-Qadi’s grand plan apparently, is a gift for Steve Lansdown. A big step towards City finally achieving their goal as the only One Team In Bristol. Does making stuff up help?
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Post by pucklegas on Jan 30, 2018 20:14:37 GMT
Keeping Rovers at The Memorial Dump indefinitely, the Al-Qadi’s grand plan apparently, is a gift for Steve Lansdown. A big step towards City finally achieving their goal as the only One Team In Bristol. Does making stuff up help? Site says Craig’s a done deal, oh really like Clive platt was😂
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2018 20:15:47 GMT
Keeping Rovers at The Memorial Dump indefinitely, the Al-Qadi’s grand plan apparently, is a gift for Steve Lansdown. A big step towards City finally achieving their goal as the only One Team In Bristol. I heard that SL is looking to sell BCFC 1982 ltd sports department.
If Yeovil go out of the league then City can go back to saying one team in Somerset
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