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Post by beaver132 on Mar 13, 2018 20:40:34 GMT
Stuart Sinclair in ahead of Frankie Prince? Sorry, I very much try not to attack the poster but, you're "off your rocker"!    Saw every game that year bar Brighton away!!!!!!!!!! I just moved that summer from Horfield to Newhaven, only a few miles from Brighton. Got the micky taken out of me at school because of my accent. That stopped after the 8-2 win! |
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Post by justin blue on Mar 13, 2018 21:22:58 GMT
True if you parachuted the 74 team into today's game they would not cope with the fitness and skill levels of today, but that's evolution players have become better and fitter because of those that have gone before. Having watched every rovers team since the late sixties though there have been some great moments. I can honestly say that in terms of spirit this is the best rovers side I have had the privilege of watching.
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Post by pirate49 on Mar 13, 2018 21:25:51 GMT
True if you parachuted the 74 team into today's game they would not cope with the fitness and skill levels of today, but that's evolution players have become better and fitter .................... Fitter - Yes Better - Open to debate |
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Post by justin blue on Mar 13, 2018 21:43:54 GMT
True if you parachuted the 74 team into today's game they would not cope with the fitness and skill levels of today, but that's evolution players have become better and fitter .................... Fitter - Yes Better - Open to debate Absolutely it's all about opinions. Others are available. |
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Post by aghast on Mar 13, 2018 21:55:31 GMT
Regrettably none of the 73-74 team would be fit enough and would struggle in today's football. You only have to look at old clips to see how slow and laboured the football was. Never mind I really enjoyed it at the time and the 8-2 win at Brighton that I witnessed when living a few miles along the coast was out of this world. Never to be forgotten. That's a common misconception. The Rovers side of 1974 were good enough to get to the Championship. Nearly all the teams below them weren't. So, in relative terms, that squad was better than today's squad. OK, they weren't as fit or fast, but they played in a different era. Take those players as youths and train them and feed them to today's standards, and they would be as relatively good now as they were then. It's like saying Roger Bannister was a poor mile runner because his best time is short of today's standards. He was the best in the world at that time, so he was special, without decent running shoes, coaching or tracks to run on. Train him today from a young age, and he'd outperform almost everyone. You have to take the time these people came from into account, and try and think how good they would be in today's world with today's advantages. Smash and Grab were lethal in their day. Stuart Taylor was rock solid. Frankie Prince was feared by everyone. I don't think we have the same level of ability relative to other teams now as we had then. My daughter knows much more about computers than Pythagoras, but I don't think she is quite as intelligent. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 13, 2018 21:56:42 GMT
Regrettably none of the 73-74 team would be fit enough and would struggle in today's football. You only have to look at old clips to see how slow and laboured the football was. Never mind I really enjoyed it at the time and the 8-2 win at Brighton that I witnessed when living a few miles along the coast was out of this world. Never to be forgotten. But if they were playing today then they would follow the same fitness regime as today's modern footballers so have similar fitness levels? Although how you compare them is another matter. Eadie Jacobs Locks Taylor Brown Stephens Prince Lines Bennett Smash & Grab Sub: Harrison That 12 would hold its own in 73/74 whether it would today as anybodies guess. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 22:06:15 GMT
A bit of fun I agree but no Stuart T or Frankie P are you serious? All about opinions I know but comparing the two teams I think only Liam S from today would get a sniff at a place in a joint team. No Tom Stanton bluebutterfly? Like other posters he is always underestimated, Tom S rarely got MOM but he put in a 7/10 shift every match and was an important part of that team. I agree that Darrell would probably be the manager but again Don M was a very good manager who did wonderful things on a rubbish budget which never got better even after going up. Don M was amuch more defensive manager who would settle for 0-0 rather than chase a win. He always started by making us hard to beat whereas DC was much more attacking. But it’s a good thread which in the end will depend on your age as to which players would be chosen. I saw plenty of the 73/74 team and still think they are the best Rovers “team” I’ve seen and better than the 89/90 team although I didn’t see as much of them so others might disagree. Pretty sure that the current team aren’t as good purely because they haven’t achieved as well at this level as the other two teams. They have time to prove me wrong!! UTG! I dont want to put stuart taylor down because he was such a great servant,its just that i didnt think he was aggressive enough despite his size and i never took to him. With frankie prince i was a fan and had the honour to play against him v ottery st mary in the western league after his full time pro days were over i just think stuart sinclair is better. Regarding tom stanton he did have the season of his life in a modest career in 73-74 but i couldnt fit him in my team. Ps i was 15 in 1974 and had been going to eastville with my dad since 1966. Theres no doubt the 73-74 team would beat our present team mainly because the 2 strikers were so good but were not too far away from that team imo. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 22:15:04 GMT
I used to laugh at my dad when he used to say stanley matthews and duncan edwards were easily as good as 70"s stars like tony currie or gerry francis but now i understand that of course they were.
You can only be a top player in the era your playing in and this sort of thread is just a bit of fun but good players are good players in any era and even any level.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 14, 2018 6:29:09 GMT
A bit of fun I agree but no Stuart T or Frankie P are you serious? All about opinions I know but comparing the two teams I think only Liam S from today would get a sniff at a place in a joint team. No Tom Stanton bluebutterfly? Like other posters he is always underestimated, Tom S rarely got MOM but he put in a 7/10 shift every match and was an important part of that team. I agree that Darrell would probably be the manager but again Don M was a very good manager who did wonderful things on a rubbish budget which never got better even after going up. Don M was amuch more defensive manager who would settle for 0-0 rather than chase a win. He always started by making us hard to beat whereas DC was much more attacking. But it’s a good thread which in the end will depend on your age as to which players would be chosen. I saw plenty of the 73/74 team and still think they are the best Rovers “team” I’ve seen and better than the 89/90 team although I didn’t see as much of them so others might disagree. Pretty sure that the current team aren’t as good purely because they haven’t achieved as well at this level as the other two teams. They have time to prove me wrong!! UTG! I dont want to put stuart taylor down because he was such a great servant,its just that i didnt think he was aggressive enough despite his size and i never took to him. With frankie prince i was a fan and had the honour to play against him v ottery st mary in the western league after his full time pro days were over i just think stuart sinclair is better. Regarding tom stanton he did have the season of his life in a modest career in 73-74 but i couldnt fit him in my team. Ps i was 15 in 1974 and had been going to eastville with my dad since 1966. Theres no doubt the 73-74 team would beat our present team mainly because the 2 strikers were so good but were not too far away from that team imo. I've nothing against Sincs but to say he's a better player than Prince is nonsense, he's, at best an average Div 1 CM, Prince played CM in probably one of the best Rovers Div 1 sides most of us have ever watched. |
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Post by Finnish Gas on Mar 14, 2018 9:01:31 GMT
In terms of high skill levels we now have a first tier (Premier League) basically made up of foreign players and a second tier with a sizeable number of foreign players.
With few foreign players in 1973/74 it would suggest that a third tier (Third Division) player would probably be playing fourth tier (League Two) football today (and possibly lower) as they would be pushed lower down the pecking order because of the foreign influx.
Jim Eadie and one or two others of our promotion team would be earning reasonable money in the National League. Just not fit enough? Smoking heavily? Drinking? Poor diet?
No complaints - I enjoyed those great times.
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 14, 2018 10:12:04 GMT
Yes Finnish all those points are valid but on pure footballing terms and skills the 74 team are, imo, ahead of their 2018 counterparts. Don’t want to repeat but full backs stopping crosses, marking better, wingers having to be very clever because they were marked, first touch, keepers commanding their area, crosses being able to beat the first defender were all hallmarks of that 74 team and all areas some of our players now struggle to achieve consistently. Istr Trevor Brooking warning, about 25 years ago, that we were in danger of being overrun by foreign players and that the England team would have several Division 2, Championship players in it. His warning is coming true I think.
interesting debate.
UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 14, 2018 10:19:59 GMT
Would be good to get a football scouts view on this. Are they still looking for the same things in a player now that they were 30 years ago? I would have thought it was broadly similar but I may be wrong.
UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 11:14:53 GMT
In terms of high skill levels we now have a first tier (Premier League) basically made up of foreign players and a second tier with a sizeable number of foreign players. With few foreign players in 1973/74 it would suggest that a third tier (Third Division) player would probably be playing fourth tier (League Two) football today (and possibly lower) as they would be pushed lower down the pecking order because of the foreign influx. Jim Eadie and one or two others of our promotion team would be earning reasonable money in the National League. Just not fit enough? Smoking heavily? Drinking? Poor diet? No complaints - I enjoyed those great times. The flaw in your argument about foreign players is that top clubs didnt stockpile all the best young players then instead they were playing league football for clubs like ours,also top players like alan ball and glen hoddle dropped down and kept playing which raised the standard,mostly now they just retire as millionaires. The fitness argument dosnt add up because the the 73-74 group would be just as fit given the same training regime. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 11:27:16 GMT
I must admit i hate modern top class football like the over hyped premier league.
Its a turgid predictable and mostly embarrassing spectacle which lacks the physicality that i used to love about the game.
Just recently ive watched arsenal,man utd and southampton just give up during games as if they dont give a stuff.
I think the championship is still recognisable as football and i hope we get there some day soon.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 13:25:44 GMT
True if you parachuted the 74 team into today's game they would not cope with the fitness and skill levels of today, but that's evolution players have become better and fitter because of those that have gone before. Having watched every rovers team since the late sixties though there have been some great moments. I can honestly say that in terms of spirit this is the best rovers side I have had the privilege of watching. Not for me, Gerry Francis team had as much spirit if not more, some of the limp performances this season i can't recall seeing from Gerry's team. |
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