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Post by socrates on Mar 17, 2018 23:49:20 GMT
Were they penalties ? I thought the first was a coming together not a pen and the second was a dive off the ball trying for a pen and red card ? If the second was a pen then it should have been a red for Lockyer but the ref gave it then a yellow ? What for ? Looked a blatant bit of play acting to me . These were my original views at the time and seeing the highlights nothing has changed my mind. We’re not good enough for top 6 regardless , we’ve lost more games in league 1 than we’ve won that tells the story but I do feel Like the ref / Plymouth had us over today.
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Post by aghast on Mar 17, 2018 23:52:35 GMT
I'm not sure about the first, but the second, if captured in HD slo-mo, would have all the pundits on Sky and Match of the Day talking about shocking gamesmanship.
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Post by socrates on Mar 17, 2018 23:55:09 GMT
I'm not sure about the first, but the second, if captured in HD slo-mo, would have all the pundits on Sky and Match of the Day talking about shocking gamesmanship. In what sense ? Cheating by Plymouth or off the ball foul ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2018 0:07:34 GMT
Last week one of my favourite players stuart sinclair did a crappy dive which resulted in a 2nd yellow for a northampton player but i didnt seem to mind or feel angry. Today i think it was james clarke who made an unneeded and clumsy flat footed challenge on a plymouth player who couldnt believe his luck and dived on the floor. On the 2nd pen the plymouth attacker either was caught slightly by lockyers flailing arm or simply pretended he was and got a penalty. If i was a plymouth fan i would have said 2 penalties. When every single pro game in the country has 22 players trying to con and cheat the ref it makes the job bloody hard.
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Post by socrates on Mar 18, 2018 0:24:24 GMT
Last week one of my favourite players stuart sinclair did a crappy dive which resulted in a 2nd yellow for a northampton player but i didnt seem to mind or feel angry. Today i think it was james clarke who made an unneeded and clumsy flat footed challenge on a plymouth player who couldnt believe his luck and dived on the floor. On the 2nd pen the plymouth attacker either was caught slightly by lockyers flailing arm or simply pretended he was and got a penalty. If i was a plymouth fan i would have said 2 penalties. When every single pro game in the country has 22 players trying to con and cheat the ref it makes the job bloody hard. Can’t argue with that it’s the hardest job in football but I still think neither were penalties. Last week the second yellow was barely a foul yet alone a yellow / second booking and red. Thing is I think going down to ten helped them they sat back and played out the draw , if they’d been losing we’d have scored again and win comfortably probably . If your 1-1 away from home and go down to ten you get everyone behind the ball kill the game off Northampton did that well. Poor side but professional in their game management. Same could be said for Plymouth today , cheated a poor ref but they were clearly a decent side too to be fair.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 18, 2018 6:15:14 GMT
My Muff mate said the first was a blatant dive but the second was the right decision.
As BB says, 22 con artists out there week in, week out.
sh** happens.
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Post by smudge1 on Mar 18, 2018 8:27:36 GMT
I think having watched on the highlights, the first was dubious but the second was blatant, though the player made the most of it. What was more annoying was every time we had a corner there ginger centre forward was holding our attackers blatantly and got away with it. Also he bottled it when Ellis got through on goal. Actually at the game it was hard to see clearly from where we were. We still had enough chances to win the game but did not convert! Finishing is a real problem. Gaffney, Ellis and Lockyer should have scored and Bennett came close.
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Post by gregsy on Mar 18, 2018 8:46:50 GMT
I would've posted this in the match thread or the highlights thread but as it's largely about the decision making here seems more apt:
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Post by lympstonegas on Mar 18, 2018 8:55:13 GMT
Restrained response think everyone is gutted today
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Post by LJG on Mar 18, 2018 8:56:33 GMT
Last week one of my favourite players stuart sinclair did a crappy dive which resulted in a 2nd yellow for a northampton player but i didnt seem to mind or feel angry. Today i think it was james clarke who made an unneeded and clumsy flat footed challenge on a plymouth player who couldnt believe his luck and dived on the floor. On the 2nd pen the plymouth attacker either was caught slightly by lockyers flailing arm or simply pretended he was and got a penalty. If i was a plymouth fan i would have said 2 penalties. When every single pro game in the country has 22 players trying to con and cheat the ref it makes the job bloody hard. Can’t argue with that it’s the hardest job in football but I still think neither were penalties. Last week the second yellow was barely a foul yet alone a yellow / second booking and red. Thing is I think going down to ten helped them they sat back and played out the draw , if they’d been losing we’d have scored again and win comfortably probably . If your 1-1 away from home and go down to ten you get everyone behind the ball kill the game off Northampton did that well. Poor side but professional in their game management. Same could be said for Plymouth today , cheated a poor ref but they were clearly a decent side too to be fair. Agree re second yellow for Northampton last week (it happened right in front of me) but when the ref gave it he indicated that he was giving it not just for that foul (Sinc's dive) but for that and the incident immediately beforehand which left Sincs writhing on the floor which he gave nothing for at the time but was a blatant foul and bookable offence.
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Post by socrates on Mar 18, 2018 9:07:51 GMT
Can’t argue with that it’s the hardest job in football but I still think neither were penalties. Last week the second yellow was barely a foul yet alone a yellow / second booking and red. Thing is I think going down to ten helped them they sat back and played out the draw , if they’d been losing we’d have scored again and win comfortably probably . If your 1-1 away from home and go down to ten you get everyone behind the ball kill the game off Northampton did that well. Poor side but professional in their game management. Same could be said for Plymouth today , cheated a poor ref but they were clearly a decent side too to be fair. Agree re second yellow for Northampton last week (it happened right in front of me) but when the ref gave it he indicated that he was giving it not just for that foul (Sinc's dive) but for that and the incident immediately beforehand which left Sincs writhing on the floor which he gave nothing for at the time but was a blatant foul and bookable offence. Ah didn’t realise that. I don’t think it helped us though. Never seems to unless we’re in front.
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Post by paulpirate on Mar 18, 2018 9:34:59 GMT
Absolute joke,just seen the goals and it seems when you are on a winning streak you definitely get the rub of the green The refs performance needs to be looked at in the same way a player would if caught on camera doing something
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2018 9:39:49 GMT
They say decisions even themselves out over the season. I can't wait for us to get 200 penalties in the last 9 games then...
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Post by Iliveinbidefordgas on Mar 18, 2018 9:48:14 GMT
Would VAR changed these penalties?
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Post by faggotygas on Mar 18, 2018 9:50:37 GMT
Were they penalties ? I thought the first was a coming together not a pen and the second was a dive off the ball trying for a pen and red card ? If the second was a pen then it should have been a red for Lockyer but the ref gave it then a yellow ? What for ? Looked a blatant bit of play acting to me . These were my original views at the time and seeing the highlights nothing has changed my mind. We’re not good enough for top 6 regardless , we’ve lost more games in league 1 than we’ve won that tells the story but I do feel Like the ref / Plymouth had us over today. Haven't seen it, but why red? Was it a handball / push in the back / incident off the ball?
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Post by clockendgas on Mar 18, 2018 9:53:34 GMT
As I had a seat up near the home end I sadly had the misfortune to see both incidents fairly clearly.I was sat with my Plymouth mate and we both agreed,first one a dive and second one he's made a meal out of it, the refs heared the home crowd and taken the easy choice, we get the same at home,it was bloody hard to take but like hi go says, every team's the same cheating utg
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 18, 2018 10:02:53 GMT
Would VAR changed these penalties? First probably has the player's legs seem to buckle before he was challenged, second possibly not as Locks caught the player with his arm, but a very soft pen anyway. However not sure I want VR ruining the game plus we'd have no excuses or anything to discuss when we do lose if we had VR in the future!
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Post by stevek192 on Mar 18, 2018 10:05:09 GMT
Probably not because you just couldn't look at every incident in the game like those two incidents because though those two were given there were at least ten other occasions where similar events took place and were not given. VAR will make a bigger fool of our sport than any other rule that the FA have brought in. What have they done for our game over the years that have actually improved the game? I would find it difficult to come up with anything other than the 3 points for a win! I could list plenty more that IMO have made the game worse. 1. The various pass back rules. 2. Changes to the offside rules. 3. The passing back from kick offs. 4. Taking goal kicks from either side. 5. Tackling- The rules that have got tighter and tighter since the original rule came in and have taken tackling pretty well out of the game.6. FFP rules that no-one really understands. 7. Transfer deadlines. I could go on and give lots of others that IMO means the FA is not for Football Association but FA stands for F--k All which is what they actually do! This could be extended generally to F--k ALL teams other than Premiership.
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Post by Iliveinbidefordgas on Mar 18, 2018 10:11:02 GMT
But a some point a bad refs decision is going to cost a team a play off place or even auto promotion?
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Post by faggotygas on Mar 18, 2018 15:24:40 GMT
Probably not because you just couldn't look at every incident in the game like those two incidents because though those two were given there were at least ten other occasions where similar events took place and were not given. VAR will make a bigger fool of our sport than any other rule that the FA have brought in. What have they done for our game over the years that have actually improved the game? I would find it difficult to come up with anything other than the 3 points for a win! I could list plenty more that IMO have made the game worse. 1. The various pass back rules. 2. Changes to the offside rules. 3. The passing back from kick offs. 4. Taking goal kicks from either side. 5. Tackling- The rules that have got tighter and tighter since the original rule came in and have taken tackling pretty well out of the game.6. FFP rules that no-one really understands. 7. Transfer deadlines. I could go on and give lots of others that IMO means the FA is not for Football Association but FA stands for F--k All which is what they actually do! This could be extended generally to F--k ALL teams other than Premiership. Goal decision technology? What do you have against the back pass rule? Did you enjoy teams killing games by passing back to the keeper all the time? Football had become defensive and dull in the early 90s.
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