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Post by markczgas on Sept 25, 2014 8:58:21 GMT
Taken from the most recent U18s report , quote by Alan Walsh. We were aware that Exeter like to play a passing game so we travelled there with a game plan to nullify their possession and, to a degree, we managed to do that. Read more at www.bristolrovers.co.uk/news/article/youth-sept23-1935689.aspx#UQ34rQTygtjdFhDg.99I am sure there are many Rovers supporters that advocate a passing game and want to see the first team play that way. I think we can agree that this has started to creep into our (Home ) games and I think most of us would say it's been a damn sight better to watch than what was dished up for the last 18 months or more - and strangely we have also started to win more !? When "Wellie" supporters started having meetings post- relegation it was also voiced strongly by many that the club has not put in place a footballing philosophy to ensure that the BEST youth players can progress more quickly/effectively into how WE want the first team to play. We had put this high on the agendafor change at Rovers and clubs like Exeter, Bournemouth and Swansea (all local to us) have enforced it right through their clubs. They aren't doing too badly, either ?? We have let the club know about this - have they taken notice- don't know !? Maybe they want to put all their eggs into the first team basket. OK - yes we must get back up asap !! But in my view this will be just short term vision and won't help the club progress and compete (in the leagues and for good players). I also feel there should be a template for the kind of managers Rovers want to appoint. Let's say (wildest dreams) DC has a brilliant season, gets us up but gets an unbelievable offer to manage elsewhere and goes. What happens next do we get a similar manager to him or someone old school (like John Ward ) ? Back to square one ! Is it flogging a dead horse !? Maybe but I hope not and when we have future meetings with club reps (hopefully soon) that supporters like me and maybe you will keep asking questions about what we are trying to do long-term with the club on footballing matters. |
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Post by buckrippers on Sept 25, 2014 9:20:57 GMT
Mark,
Very interesting points raised. Swansea are the perfect example of what you're saying. They were pragmatic in the first instance with Kenny Jackett but surprisingly replaced him in favour of Roberto Martinez. A lot of people thought that a mistake at the time but he took them out of League One playing particularly entertaining football. After Martinez came Paulo Souza, who didn't really work out but had the same ideas, and they followed that with Brendan Rodgers, Michael Laudrup and now Garry Monk, a player who knows the club like the back of his hand. Each time they have made an appointment it has been questioned, but the footballing philosophy has remained the same and they have gone out and picked managers who fit into that, rather than selecting a manager with a decent rep then changing everything to fit into "his" philosophy. Fergie at Manchester United used to have every one of his teams playing exactly the same way, with the same philosophy. That's why it was so easy for youngsters to progress into the first team because they knew how that team was going to play. I think they lost that a bit by choosing Moyes, whose footballing philosophy was different. He tried to get the team to change their style to fit in with him. They should really have picked someone who shared the same principles.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2014 16:36:29 GMT
Taken from the most recent U18s report , quote by Alan Walsh. We were aware that Exeter like to play a passing game so we travelled there with a game plan to nullify their possession and, to a degree, we managed to do that. Read more at www.bristolrovers.co.uk/news/article/youth-sept23-1935689.aspx#UQ34rQTygtjdFhDg.99I am sure there are many Rovers supporters that advocate a passing game and want to see the first team play that way. I think we can agree that this has started to creep into our (Home ) games and I think most of us would say it's been a damn sight better to watch than what was dished up for the last 18 months or more - and strangely we have also started to win more !? When "Wellie" supporters started having meetings post- relegation it was also voiced strongly by many that the club has not put in place a footballing philosophy to ensure that the BEST youth players can progress more quickly/effectively into how WE want the first team to play. We had put this high on the agendafor change at Rovers and clubs like Exeter, Bournemouth and Swansea (all local to us) have enforced it right through their clubs. They aren't doing too badly, either ?? We have let the club know about this - have they taken notice- don't know !? Maybe they want to put all their eggs into the first team basket. OK - yes we must get back up asap !! But in my view this will be just short term vision and won't help the club progress and compete (in the leagues and for good players). I also feel there should be a template for the kind of managers Rovers want to appoint. Let's say (wildest dreams) DC has a brilliant season, gets us up but gets an unbelievable offer to manage elsewhere and goes. What happens next do we get a similar manager to him or someone old school (like John Ward ) ? Back to square one ! Is it flogging a dead horse !? Maybe but I hope not and when we have future meetings with club reps (hopefully soon) that supporters like me and maybe you will keep asking questions about what we are trying to do long-term with the club on footballing matters. I don't think i have ever read a post that sums up my my feelings more in all my time on forums. It doesnt cost anything, its so obvious and it would be so effective. Swansea are a Brilliant club that have achieved so much. Lets build a football phillisophy from under 8's to the first team. Everton have the school of science and we have luck and chemistry I passionately support this concept and have done for years. Lets make it happen. |
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Post by norton gasbottle on Sept 25, 2014 17:53:22 GMT
Mark, Very interesting points raised. Swansea are the perfect example of what you're saying. They were pragmatic in the first instance with Kenny Jackett but surprisingly replaced him in favour of Roberto Martinez. A lot of people thought that a mistake at the time but he took them out of League One playing particularly entertaining football. After Martinez came Paulo Souza, who didn't really work out but had the same ideas, and they followed that with Brendan Rodgers, Michael Laudrup and now Garry Monk, a player who knows the club like the back of his hand. Each time they have made an appointment it has been questioned, but the footballing philosophy has remained the same and they have gone out and picked managers who fit into that, rather than selecting a manager with a decent rep then changing everything to fit into "his" philosophy. Fergie at Manchester United used to have every one of his teams playing exactly the same way, with the same philosophy. That's why it was so easy for youngsters to progress into the first team because they knew how that team was going to play. I think they lost that a bit by choosing Moyes, whose footballing philosophy was different. He tried to get the team to change their style to fit in with him. They should really have picked someone who shared the same principles. I've said all along the likes of Man C...Chelsea....Arsenal... Liverpool.. Man U...etc are not in the top league in the country by playing hoof ball....all teams should play the passing game its the only way to get up there with them Swansea are a classic example....some of the managers who mix it have some minor success but never longstanding.....the passing game is the only way with a lot of bite [Suares] + pace and agression...  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2014 19:31:26 GMT
Is it just about passing though? I think to play a passing game you have to have skilful players who can hold and distribute the ball. The alternative is that you move the ball with runners or with long passing route one. Football for me is a simple game it's about getting the ball into the opposition net more times than they get it into your's yes it would be great win with flair and dash, but the important thing now is that we win games. I'd be happy enough to be as successful as Stoke or Hull even Palace none of which are known for their pretty football. After every game do you relive every pass or do you remember the goals?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2014 19:52:40 GMT
Mark means we should have a way of playing / a style from the youngsters to the adults. Kids come through playing the same way at all age groups. Doesn have to be the swansea way but our own. Doesnt have to simply be sexy football.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2014 20:19:26 GMT
Agreed.
All BRFC teams should play the Rovers way from 1st team to the youth team.
I suppose we really need a DOF or CEO to make this happen though. It's an important position. We don't want all our teams playing hoof ball!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2014 20:20:39 GMT
Mark means we should have a way of playing / a style from the youngsters to the adults. Kids come through playing the same way at all age groups. Doesn have to be the swansea way but our own. Doesnt have to simply be sexy football. I thought we always had our style of play a sort of swashbuckling style to match our pirate nickname, trouble is we lost our swash and started buckling. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2014 20:23:06 GMT
Blaming Buckle ? :-)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2014 20:30:00 GMT
Yeah that's him Buckle killed our Swash. |
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