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Post by Henbury Gas on Apr 18, 2018 17:16:39 GMT
Reading this tread reminds me of a programme i watched on TV recently........ WITCH HUNT
Some nasty things being said about posters on here....... AGAIN
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Post by swissgas on Apr 18, 2018 17:41:06 GMT
Tom Gorringe is certainly an asset to club and, as he has proved, is undoubtedly "Championship ready" But I feel uneasy about this appointment because Martyn doesn't appear to have the experience or qualifications to be able to lead the transformation of the club from where we are now to where we want to be. Really, based on what? Based on what we know about Martyn's experience and qualifications and what I feel are the experience and qualifications needed to transform the club. Also taking into account the profiles of the CEO's of other clubs, perhaps a club like Brentford, which may be comparable in aspiration terms to Rovers.
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Post by daniel300380 on Apr 18, 2018 18:18:05 GMT
Whilst not agreeing with the style or much of the content of Gasincider's post I'm afraid throwing abuse at him may only be a way of concealing the unease which some fans feel about the appointment of Martyn Starnes. I was expecting a big shake up and ruffling of feathers at the Mem within six months of the takeover and when it didn't happen I began to be concerned that there was actually no plan in place to restructure and revitalize the club. Now,over two years later, we are appointing what appears to be a steady 62 year old safe pair of hands who is experienced in working at lower league clubs with financial difficulties. Plymouth Argyle have actually started work on a major rebuild of their ground and are appointing younger and seemingly more dynamic people to their board of directors. If Rovers really are serious about redeveloping the Mem and creating a Championship quality business structure I should have expected a different kind of appointment. As you say Plymouth are about to start building a new stand. Surely he helped with that project, so we probably could do with his experience. Plus Plymouth wanted him to stay and he had to see out his notice period, that's why he has not started here yet. If he wasn't needed there, they would have mutually terminated his contact. Looks like we did well to take him from them, that won't stop some from twisting it though.
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Apr 18, 2018 18:29:20 GMT
gasincider sat at home admiring his work.
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Post by peterparker on Apr 18, 2018 18:31:25 GMT
the unease of some fans? who are these fans?
as for younger, more dynamic people isn't that the sort of person Tom Gorringe is (even if he isn't on the BoD)?
and if Plymouth have actually started work on a major rebuild, I presume Mr Starnes was at least aware of all this whilst he has been at the club
Tom Gorringe is certainly an asset to club and, as he has proved, is undoubtedly "Championship ready" But I feel uneasy about this appointment because Martyn doesn't appear to have the experience or qualifications to be able to lead the transformation of the club from where we are now to where we want to be. I assume you missed the last bit then. I assume Martyn Starnes wasnt kept in a cupboard when anything to do with the redevelopment of Home Park was dealt with
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 18, 2018 18:36:52 GMT
Reading this tread reminds me of a programme i watched on TV recently........ WITCH HUNT Some nasty things being said about posters on here....... AGAIN Surely there's two sides to this view, the OP deliberately posts something controversial then just walks away only to return a few hours later acting all innocent, suggesting he's read what he posted on another another is nonsense, as there's only the Gashead forum and there's nothing about the CEO poster on there as far as I can see. The OP is deliberately trying to undermine the ALQ's for reasons only he knows and never cares to explain, why should he be allowed to say the owners are being generous with the club's money without it being challenged?
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 18, 2018 18:39:19 GMT
Based on what we know about Martyn's experience and qualifications and what I feel are the experience and qualifications needed to transform the club. Also taking into account the profiles of the CEO's of other clubs, perhaps a club like Brentford, which may be comparable in aspiration terms to Rovers. Brentford have started work on a massive stadium project, even if the ALQ's have one planned, as I said earlier in the thread, we seems years away from being in a similar position.
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Post by Okebournegas on Apr 18, 2018 18:44:10 GMT
I would like to also put it out there that I recently asked mr. Hamer about his future in a recent email I sent him due to persistent rumours involving his future at the club. He replied and I quote "there is a job to be completed at this football club and the journey we started two years ago is far from finished" So unless the bloke is telling unnecessary porkies , it would seem he's in it for the long haul. Make of that what you will.
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 18, 2018 19:26:51 GMT
I would like to also put it out there that I recently asked mr. Hamer about his future in a recent email I sent him due to persistent rumours involving his future at the club. He replied and I quote "there is a job to be completed at this football club and the journey we started two years ago is far from finished" So unless the bloke is telling unnecessary porkies , it would seem he's in it for the long haul. Make of that what you will. Perhaps Henbury Gas could explain why he's of a differing view? Then again he's probably just hedging his bets so he can say "I told you so" if he does retire, I guess if you bet on enough horses you'll get a winner one day.
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Post by swissgas on Apr 18, 2018 19:28:23 GMT
Tom Gorringe is certainly an asset to club and, as he has proved, is undoubtedly "Championship ready" But I feel uneasy about this appointment because Martyn doesn't appear to have the experience or qualifications to be able to lead the transformation of the club from where we are now to where we want to be. I assume you missed the last bit then. I assume Martyn Starnes wasnt kept in a cupboard when anything to do with the redevelopment of Home Park was dealt with No I didn't miss it but it's not strictly relevant because, as we know, there are a team of experienced outside consultants working on the stadium redevelopment and presumably Steve Hamer and Wael will be liasing with them as they did on the UWE Stadium project previously. Gasincider seems to be saying that Rovers don't need a CEO, the money could be spent on other things, the loyal Gasheads who work for Rovers shouldn't have their feathers ruffled and he doesn't think we will be getting a training ground or redeveloped stadium any time soon. I disagree with him about most of that because I do think we need a CEO and we do need to restructure the club and ruffle a few feathers in the process but I am not sure Martyn is the right choice to do it. Some superficial things have changed for the better but I still think a fundamental transformation of the club is necessary to go together with the new training ground and redeveloped stadium. Martyn's experience is mainly in keeping afloat lower league clubs which were in financial difficulty, and he seems to have done fairly well at it, but I don't think that is what is needed. If we really believe we are going to get a new training ground and a redeveloped Championship standard stadium then I think we need a younger CEO who's career is on the up and also some more dynamic younger people to work alongside him and Tom Gorringe. But as with the training ground, which in my opinion is an unwise use of cash resources, if the decision is made and Martyn is coming then of course we should support that decision. What I would say though is that to help Martyn do his job properly and to prevent the unpleasantness which Gasincider is alluding to then I think there needs to be a clear and unambiguous statement from Steve Hamer or Wael as to what exactly Martyn's role is, and what he is aiming to achieve, so that both staff and supporters are on-side from the start.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2018 20:15:18 GMT
I too am worried about all these experienced high calibre people joining our club. They must all have been deceived by our board who have no money. Luckily Ed Ware is going to build the stadium for us and bring back nick Higgs and Toni watola.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Apr 18, 2018 20:54:57 GMT
Attack the post NOT the poster.
Some very unnecessary and personal attacks on this thread.
Stop it please.
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 18, 2018 21:26:31 GMT
I too am worried about all these experienced high calibre people joining our club. They must all have been deceived by our board who have no money. Luckily Ed Ware is going to build the stadium for us and bring back nick Higgs and Toni watola. Why will they worry about the money side of things? Surely if somebody promises to pay them a decent wage they'll come regardless? TG is rumoured to be a family friend of Hamer's, our new CEO possibly looking for his last job locally before he retires, it's not like Swissgas suggests we should be doing and going out and headhunting high calibre up and coming stars. You do have to wonder what the master plan is, as the club can't support all these high earners itself whilst it's still stuck at the Mem in Div 1 and there's no sign of that changing anytime soon.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2018 23:25:45 GMT
As far as im aware we head hunted the new CEO from plymouth. You would think people would just give him a fair chance to help the club progress regardless of age.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2018 23:29:56 GMT
So basically the op goes to the development game at almonsbury yesterday where wael,hamer,darrell clarke,marcus stewart and others are present and with a nice friendly smile on his face has a chat with someone or other to do with the club. He finds out a bit of extra information about the CEO having his own pa. Then he runs onto the forum and stabs the people he was smiling and talking to in the back in a naff attempt to stir people up. Not me pal. But other websites are quite informative. You were at almondsbury on tuesday though were you not?
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Post by simon1883 on Apr 19, 2018 7:02:07 GMT
I think you'll find there are people on here and certainly on the other forum that have been stabbing others at the club in the back for years complaining about the lack of professionalism - old pals acts - letting people in for free, stealing from the supporters club etc etc. Perhaps the saying a new broom sweeps clean applies here. New, proven dynamic staff I would have thought would be the way forward in building a professional infrastructure that is sustainable to move us forward. Yes we have had some great servants in the past that have given their all for the love of the club but isn't that why partly we are known as ragbag Rovers. Sorry it's time to move on an embrace the real world of professionalism which invariably means speculating to accumulate and will initially come at a cost that will hopefully be recoverable further down the line. Short term pain for long term gain I would suggest being the mantra that underpins evolution not revolution. Totally agree with this. Change is never easy for people to accept. Most of us like the "good old days" don't we? Alwasy was better then wasn't it? As the club looks to move forward there will be inevitable "casualties" and "old stalwarts" of the club will fall by the wayside. What we must rememeber is that the way rovers operated currently and in the past has not got us our new ground, training facilities or much league progress has it? So something else other than the players and the managers/coaches needed to be changed. The main thing that has not changed in the time I have supoprted the club is how we are run! this is now happening and we just need everyone to hang on and let it settle....
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Post by blueridge on Apr 19, 2018 7:31:26 GMT
I assume you missed the last bit then. I assume Martyn Starnes wasnt kept in a cupboard when anything to do with the redevelopment of Home Park was dealt with No I didn't miss it but it's not strictly relevant because, as we know, there are a team of experienced outside consultants working on the stadium redevelopment and presumably Steve Hamer and Wael will be liasing with them as they did on the UWE Stadium project previously. Gasincider seems to be saying that Rovers don't need a CEO, the money could be spent on other things, the loyal Gasheads who work for Rovers shouldn't have their feathers ruffled and he doesn't think we will be getting a training ground or redeveloped stadium any time soon. I disagree with him about most of that because I do think we need a CEO and we do need to restructure the club and ruffle a few feathers in the process but I am not sure Martyn is the right choice to do it. Some superficial things have changed for the better but I still think a fundamental transformation of the club is necessary to go together with the new training ground and redeveloped stadium. Martyn's experience is mainly in keeping afloat lower league clubs which were in financial difficulty, and he seems to have done fairly well at it, but I don't think that is what is needed. If we really believe we are going to get a new training ground and a redeveloped Championship standard stadium then I think we need a younger CEO who's career is on the up and also some more dynamic younger people to work alongside him and Tom Gorringe. But as with the training ground, which in my opinion is an unwise use of cash resources, if the decision is made and Martyn is coming then of course we should support that decision. What I would say though is that to help Martyn do his job properly and to prevent the unpleasantness which Gasincider is alluding to then I think there needs to be a clear and unambiguous statement from Steve Hamer or Wael as to what exactly Martyn's role is, and what he is aiming to achieve, so that both staff and supporters are on-side from the start. Genuine question - are there "a team of experienced outside consultants working on the stadium redevelopment?" Personally I don't believe a regenersted Mem is ever going to be a 'goer'. Evan Jones was announced as The Colony developer but I've not heard anything regarding "the stadium redevelopment"
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2018 7:37:05 GMT
No I didn't miss it but it's not strictly relevant because, as we know, there are a team of experienced outside consultants working on the stadium redevelopment and presumably Steve Hamer and Wael will be liasing with them as they did on the UWE Stadium project previously. Gasincider seems to be saying that Rovers don't need a CEO, the money could be spent on other things, the loyal Gasheads who work for Rovers shouldn't have their feathers ruffled and he doesn't think we will be getting a training ground or redeveloped stadium any time soon. I disagree with him about most of that because I do think we need a CEO and we do need to restructure the club and ruffle a few feathers in the process but I am not sure Martyn is the right choice to do it. Some superficial things have changed for the better but I still think a fundamental transformation of the club is necessary to go together with the new training ground and redeveloped stadium. Martyn's experience is mainly in keeping afloat lower league clubs which were in financial difficulty, and he seems to have done fairly well at it, but I don't think that is what is needed. If we really believe we are going to get a new training ground and a redeveloped Championship standard stadium then I think we need a younger CEO who's career is on the up and also some more dynamic younger people to work alongside him and Tom Gorringe. But as with the training ground, which in my opinion is an unwise use of cash resources, if the decision is made and Martyn is coming then of course we should support that decision. What I would say though is that to help Martyn do his job properly and to prevent the unpleasantness which Gasincider is alluding to then I think there needs to be a clear and unambiguous statement from Steve Hamer or Wael as to what exactly Martyn's role is, and what he is aiming to achieve, so that both staff and supporters are on-side from the start. Genuine question - are there "a team of experienced outside consultants working on the stadium redevelopment?" Personally I don't believe a regenersted Mem is ever going to be a 'goer'. Evan Jones was announced as The Colony developer but I've not heard anything regarding "the stadium redevelopment" I thought there was a team working on it that had built, "Not one, two or three stadiums, but twelve!".
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Post by madgas on Apr 19, 2018 8:12:52 GMT
The reason I don't think our present owners can continue to run the club for much longer is that they seem to do everything backwards. We've had a few 'nice to haves' i.e. Bigger media team, more medical staff, London office, expensive legal representation, etc etc. I'd just like to know why we haven't even begun to put the infrastructure in place to pay for it all. Now I understand that not only are we bringing in some guy from Plymouth who will be given the power of hire and fire over everyone currently at the club ( what does he know about our club ?), but he is also bringing his own PA with him. Now not being of a cynical nature, I can only assume she must be a top notch typist, if we can't even find one of them up here in Bristol. I wonder how much this lady is going to cost the club? Personally, I'd rather see their wages added to Darrell's budget. I think I'm right in saying that she used to work at Notts County. Don't know why she left there, but I'm sure there are equally as efficient secretarial staff amongst our fan base. Given the new guys remit of eliminating our losses, and boosting income, the easy answer for him would be to remove several of our present staff, who are dedicated gas heads of many years standing. My answer would be not to appoint him or his PA and that would save well over £100k pa, so what does our immediate future hold? Well in my opinion, as there is still no planning submitted for either the training ground or the Mem/new stadium, we either get new owners who know how to run a football club, or we go bankrupt. We just cannot go on spending money that we don't have, with no means of recouping it. The corridors of power are sounding optimistic. Heres hoping.🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🤐🤐🤐 Award for being the post negative poster goes toooo... Constantly turning positives into negatives. Criticises BRFC support of the LGBT community, because rainbow flags offend him. Frankly embarrassing.
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Post by lincsblue on Apr 19, 2018 8:36:37 GMT
Really??? Wow, just Wow if correct
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