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Post by faggotygas on Apr 27, 2018 12:58:00 GMT
Great atmosphere in the concourse, then you step out into the stadium and it's like a vacuum. Only solution is to bring a drum! A drum; wash you're mouth out with carbolic soap. It will certainly not benefit grass roots football; all those vast sums paid into the game by the likes of sky. All but a pittance gets swallowed up by the premiersh*t clubs But that's not FA money though?
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Post by alasitsgas on Apr 27, 2018 13:18:59 GMT
It seems that the FA say the money they receive will go to grass roots. Thinks this has come up before. No F.A. it will go to to the avaricious Premiership clubs who don't give a sh** about anyone else but themselves.Still you'll do what you want anyway.
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Post by philbemmygas on Apr 27, 2018 13:33:15 GMT
A drum; wash you're mouth out with carbolic soap. It will certainly not benefit grass roots football; all those vast sums paid into the game by the likes of sky. All but a pittance gets swallowed up by the premiersh*t clubs But that's not FA money though? That's true, I was just using that as an example of how money gets divided across the leagues. UTG
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Post by faggotygas on Apr 27, 2018 14:10:51 GMT
But that's not FA money though? That's true, I was just using that as an example of how money gets divided across the leagues. UTG I believe that the FA spends around £50m a year on the 'grassroots game', out of a revenue of £300m, so about 1/6th. They also have to pay off the loans still outstanding on the building of Wembley from that £300m.
The definition of the 'grassroots game' is quite wide though, and includes the higher level amateur game, such as FA Vase and Trophy prize money.
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Post by faggotygas on Apr 27, 2018 14:12:11 GMT
It seems that the FA say the money they receive will go to grass roots. Thinks this has come up before. No F.A. it will go to to the avaricious Premiership clubs who don't give a sh** about anyone else but themselves.Still you'll do what you want anyway. How much money per year does the FA pay to Premier League clubs?
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Post by faggotygas on Apr 27, 2018 14:24:29 GMT
It seems that the FA say the money they receive will go to grass roots. Thinks this has come up before. No F.A. it will go to to the avaricious Premiership clubs who don't give a sh** about anyone else but themselves.Still you'll do what you want anyway. The FA's 2016 accounts are here www.indiciaweb.co.uk/clients/FA/financial-report-2016/CD8/#p=90 . the only items I can find that might be considered payments to Premier League clubs are prize money - which I assume is mostly the FA Cup, but also includes the FA Vase and FA trophy.
What am I missing?
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Post by ineedgas on Apr 27, 2018 16:31:29 GMT
Let the Americans buy wembley and the rest of London and maybe they'll ship the shhit hole off to the states Oops if the Russians agree
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2018 20:55:39 GMT
Just to play devil's advocate, that kind of money could do a hell of a lot for the grassroots game As someone who watches my lad play football every week on rubbish pitches that Xavi and Iniesta would struggle to put passes together on, I agree entirely that the grass roots would benefit from the sums of money that would no doubt be involved in selling Wembley. However, I'm cynical enough to think that the money wouldn't get anywhere near that level. Properly managed though, with due diligence over the FA who are responsible for football at ALL levels, this could be ideal. Taking the national team to different grounds around the country might even help to restore the public's identity with them, particularly in the north of England. Other countries do without an expensive national stadium that rips off its customers.
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 27, 2018 22:34:56 GMT
True, but would it get to the grassroots? The FA have had lots of money to channel towards the grassroots over the years and it doesn’t get there. Now this is being used as an excuse for selling Wembley. I bet in a year or two someone from the FA will come up and use making a bid for a major championship or some other initiative as the reason why the planned grassroots improvement hasnt taken place. Somehow there will always be another call on the FAs purse and the grassroots will get a very small % imo. The EFL know the cost of all their assets but have no idea as to their value. Poor, but unfortunately the money-men have been in charge for many years so it’s probably an inevitable result. Why be surprised? UTG! To all those saying 'the money won't get there' - can you give examples of when money promised to the grassroots game hasn't got there? You are right to ask for evidence, otherwise it’s just a rant against the FA. The evidence I would provide would be the lack of pitches and facilities for youth pitches especially and for amateur football on Saturdays and Sundays. Down here in Dorset it’s pretty dire and in the event of any rain there are plenty of postponements because the grounds are not kept well. Cuts in local council expenditure is fairly heavy in the Leisure and Recreation departments. That is what I interpret as “grassroots” and I seriously doubt that much of the money will get there. UTG!
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Post by faggotygas on Apr 30, 2018 8:43:09 GMT
Just to play devil's advocate, that kind of money could do a hell of a lot for the grassroots game As someone who watches my lad play football every week on rubbish pitches that Xavi and Iniesta would struggle to put passes together on, I agree entirely that the grass roots would benefit from the sums of money that would no doubt be involved in selling Wembley. However, I'm cynical enough to think that the money wouldn't get anywhere near that level. Properly managed though, with due diligence over the FA who are responsible for football at ALL levels, this could be ideal. Taking the national team to different grounds around the country might even help to restore the public's identity with them, particularly in the north of England. Other countries do without an expensive national stadium that rips off its customers. You are right, but I have seen some improvements. The new artificial pitch at GFA HQ in Almondsbury, for example, at least means that local cup finals can be played on an all-weather surface (if the competition hires it).
A lot more teams have access to 3g pitches now too, although that's rarely due to FA money I admit.
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Post by faggotygas on Apr 30, 2018 8:45:26 GMT
To all those saying 'the money won't get there' - can you give examples of when money promised to the grassroots game hasn't got there? You are right to ask for evidence, otherwise it’s just a rant against the FA. The evidence I would provide would be the lack of pitches and facilities for youth pitches especially and for amateur football on Saturdays and Sundays. Down here in Dorset it’s pretty dire and in the event of any rain there are plenty of postponements because the grounds are not kept well. Cuts in local council expenditure is fairly heavy in the Leisure and Recreation departments. That is what I interpret as “grassroots” and I seriously doubt that much of the money will get there. UTG! As per my answer above about 3g pitches.
I've also seen a significant improvement in availability of coaching (lots of free or cheap level 1 courses about), first aid and safeguarding courses, and events for young people, especially girls.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2018 22:12:36 GMT
As someone who watches my lad play football every week on rubbish pitches that Xavi and Iniesta would struggle to put passes together on, I agree entirely that the grass roots would benefit from the sums of money that would no doubt be involved in selling Wembley. However, I'm cynical enough to think that the money wouldn't get anywhere near that level. Properly managed though, with due diligence over the FA who are responsible for football at ALL levels, this could be ideal. Taking the national team to different grounds around the country might even help to restore the public's identity with them, particularly in the north of England. Other countries do without an expensive national stadium that rips off its customers. You are right, but I have seen some improvements. The new artificial pitch at GFA HQ in Almondsbury, for example, at least means that local cup finals can be played on an all-weather surface (if the competition hires it).
A lot more teams have access to 3g pitches now too, although that's rarely due to FA money I admit.
That's true, they are seen much more now. Ironically though, the problem with 3g pitches is that they're not grass. Great training facilities and perfect for hockey, but for football matches the behaviour of the ball is a bit false in that it just rolls away. They pretty much guarantee games are played but that's about as far as their benefit goes on matchday I reckon. I'd like to see money invested on the care of grass pitches, clubhouse facilities, coaching...IF that was the result of losing Wembley then it would be a trade off worth having. I'm usually a traditionalist, but other historic grounds have been lost and Wembley now is no reminder of 1966 anyway. Investing in the enjoyment of the game at young ages has so many social and economic benefits to the country...and might even help produce a gem.
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Post by faggotygas on May 1, 2018 7:39:36 GMT
You are right, but I have seen some improvements. The new artificial pitch at GFA HQ in Almondsbury, for example, at least means that local cup finals can be played on an all-weather surface (if the competition hires it).
A lot more teams have access to 3g pitches now too, although that's rarely due to FA money I admit.
That's true, they are seen much more now. Ironically though, the problem with 3g pitches is that they're not grass. Great training facilities and perfect for hockey, but for football matches the behaviour of the ball is a bit false in that it just rolls away. They pretty much guarantee games are played but that's about as far as their benefit goes on matchday I reckon. I'd like to see money invested on the care of grass pitches, clubhouse facilities, coaching...IF that was the result of losing Wembley then it would be a trade off worth having. I'm usually a traditionalist, but other historic grounds have been lost and Wembley now is no reminder of 1966 anyway. Investing in the enjoyment of the game at young ages has so many social and economic benefits to the country...and might even help produce a gem. I totally agree about artificial pitches, the ball does run away a bit and there's extra bounce. But I honestly think that with the weather in this country, that's the only compromise. With grass pitches, we tend to have 2 options - play on a mudbath in the winter which becomes dangerously lumpy in the summer, or see a lot of games postponed in the winter.
3g, if only as a backup to a grass pitch, is just the most cost-effective option, especially as money can be made hiring it out for 5 a side etc. So grass when the weather's good, 3g when it's not, and spend what's left on equipment and coaching, for me.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 14:41:29 GMT
That's true, they are seen much more now. Ironically though, the problem with 3g pitches is that they're not grass. Great training facilities and perfect for hockey, but for football matches the behaviour of the ball is a bit false in that it just rolls away. They pretty much guarantee games are played but that's about as far as their benefit goes on matchday I reckon. I'd like to see money invested on the care of grass pitches, clubhouse facilities, coaching...IF that was the result of losing Wembley then it would be a trade off worth having. I'm usually a traditionalist, but other historic grounds have been lost and Wembley now is no reminder of 1966 anyway. Investing in the enjoyment of the game at young ages has so many social and economic benefits to the country...and might even help produce a gem. I totally agree about artificial pitches, the ball does run away a bit and there's extra bounce. But I honestly think that with the weather in this country, that's the only compromise. With grass pitches, we tend to have 2 options - play on a mudbath in the winter which becomes dangerously lumpy in the summer, or see a lot of games postponed in the winter.
3g, if only as a backup to a grass pitch, is just the most cost-effective option, especially as money can be made hiring it out for 5 a side etc. So grass when the weather's good, 3g when it's not, and spend what's left on equipment and coaching, for me.
Wouldn't argue with that.
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Post by socrates on May 2, 2018 10:52:58 GMT
That's true, they are seen much more now. Ironically though, the problem with 3g pitches is that they're not grass. Great training facilities and perfect for hockey, but for football matches the behaviour of the ball is a bit false in that it just rolls away. They pretty much guarantee games are played but that's about as far as their benefit goes on matchday I reckon. I'd like to see money invested on the care of grass pitches, clubhouse facilities, coaching...IF that was the result of losing Wembley then it would be a trade off worth having. I'm usually a traditionalist, but other historic grounds have been lost and Wembley now is no reminder of 1966 anyway. Investing in the enjoyment of the game at young ages has so many social and economic benefits to the country...and might even help produce a gem. I totally agree about artificial pitches, the ball does run away a bit and there's extra bounce. But I honestly think that with the weather in this country, that's the only compromise. With grass pitches, we tend to have 2 options - play on a mudbath in the winter which becomes dangerously lumpy in the summer, or see a lot of games postponed in the winter.
3g, if only as a backup to a grass pitch, is just the most cost-effective option, especially as money can be made hiring it out for 5 a side etc. So grass when the weather's good, 3g when it's not, and spend what's left on equipment and coaching, for me.
The new Astro is 4g it’s much better than 3G Half the pitches where I play 5 a side are 3G and the other half are 4G. I can really tell the difference , it’s much more like playing on a decent .grass pitch.
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Post by faggotygas on May 2, 2018 14:29:34 GMT
I totally agree about artificial pitches, the ball does run away a bit and there's extra bounce. But I honestly think that with the weather in this country, that's the only compromise. With grass pitches, we tend to have 2 options - play on a mudbath in the winter which becomes dangerously lumpy in the summer, or see a lot of games postponed in the winter.
3g, if only as a backup to a grass pitch, is just the most cost-effective option, especially as money can be made hiring it out for 5 a side etc. So grass when the weather's good, 3g when it's not, and spend what's left on equipment and coaching, for me.
The new Astro is 4g it’s much better than 3G Half the pitches where I play 5 a side are 3G and the other half are 4G. I can really tell the difference , it’s much more like playing on a decent .grass pitch. Yeah, 4g is a bit better. The GFA one is 4G I believe, Rovers have played a few development games there this year. They are very proud of it, my missus was trying to get a game on there when we had the snow, was told in no uncertain terms that she would not be allowed to shovel the snow off
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Post by ricardo on May 2, 2018 19:33:46 GMT
The fa already has a huge income(360m on the last accounts) and as a non-profit should already be pumping in lots of this to grass roots. If this guy is prepared to pay 900m there is clearly even more money to be made from it so why they are even entertaining selling is beyond me.
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Post by socrates on May 2, 2018 19:41:46 GMT
The fa already has a huge income(360m on the last accounts) and as a non-profit should already be pumping in lots of this to grass roots. If this guy is prepared to pay 900m there is clearly even more money to be made from it so why they are even entertaining selling is beyond me. The FA have already sold their soul so if they sell Wembley I won’t be surprised in fact I’ll be amazed if they don’t.
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