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Post by warwickgas on Apr 28, 2018 20:34:08 GMT
Joe Lumley has just been recalled from Blackpool bu QPR as their first team keeper is injured. Blackpool fans gutted ss he's been a huge influence in steadying their defence. Think Lumley is out of contract soon......
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Post by pirate on Apr 28, 2018 20:40:04 GMT
Joe Lumley has just been recalled from Blackpool bu QPR as their first team keeper is injured. Blackpool fans gutted ss he's been a huge influence in steadying their defence. Think Lumley is out of contract soon...... He's got another year on his contract and highly-rated at QPR.
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Post by axegas on Apr 28, 2018 21:06:13 GMT
I'd let the following players leave: Moore Nichols Bola Leadbitter J Clarke Sweeney Broom Gaffney Burn Undecided on the keepers and Telford. To me that’s simply too many to get rid of. Players like Leadbitter and Moore may not be top 6 quality but they are decent for this division and provide would provide us with the squad depth needed. I would also worry that getting rid of so many players might have an adverse impact on the squad togetherness something which has been key to our success under DC. Don’t get me wrong I’d definitely get rid of 4-5 though but I think by and large we need to keep the bulk of the existing squad and concentrate our transfer funds so we can push the boat out to secure 3-4 players in key positions that can come in and improve the team immediately. We won’t have that if we are overhauling the squad to bring in 7 or 8 replacements, just look at Bury and Northampton this season to show you what a high turnover of players gets you, we mustn’t fall into that trap.
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Post by stevek192 on Apr 28, 2018 21:14:56 GMT
pirate, Whilst you say you genuinely think we could replace all these players in the summer I would suggest that you have a very short memory. The reason we are where we are this season is not due to the work done last summer. We started the season with not enough players to really put out any worthwhile set formation, the friendlies were an absolute shambles with not enough first choice players to field proper teams and at Christmas I honestly thought that we were nearer relegation candidates than Play off contenders and in all honesty we have fallen short recently due to injuries. We could not even beat a very ordinary Gillingham side today and have lost to a lot of very ordinary teams this season. I agree we need four or five quality players but we have to fill a squad and not just the 11 on the pitch. In all honesty I think we have a nucleus of players who can all play "average" League 1 football but it is as a squad that we need to be looking. We could not find a striker worth signing last summer-why should it be any different now? It took us until the last day of deadline in January to find a decent winger so why should we fare any better in the summer? Are there any signs that the owners are going to loosen the purse strings.I think not. Bola, Telford and Sweeney are not ours to make a decision on so they can be counted out anyway as can Browner now. Because our Manager likes to mess with formations it means we have to have MORE players than if we pretty well played in a set formation ie with Leadbitter injured we struggled to play Wing backs even with Brown available. We struggled for even longer to replace Montano with even a slightly better winger and you need to have cover if you want to play 4-4-2 regularly. We still haven't replaced either Taylor or Bodin as regards goalscorers and this has been our biggest problem. For me we have for too long been a team that have no real leader of our attack and any substitutions in the attack pretty well leave us the same. The inclusion of Byron Moore for so long when we have had nothing to play for does not signal to me a player that is about to be released and he looks to me a player who is well capable of performing at this level and a class above either Mensah or Broom. I see no signs that Mensah will be up to the standard of a Play off chasing team by the start of the season as his rawness has really shocked me as when he signed I was under the impression that he was a non league star who would be ready to push for a place.If we get rid of Moore there is nothing to say we will get anyone any better let alone two wingers that are better and I would rather have to start with Moore ands Bennett than how we started this season. I would like to see him given another one year contract AND get a new winger in. As regards Leadbitter, Partington and James Clarke they are all capable of playing with all having weaknesses. I always look at a team as having a squad Goalkeepers: 1. Slocombe 2.Smith Two competent keepers at this level although I wouldn't be amiss releasing Smith and getting a new No 1 RB 3.New RB, 4.Partington, 5.Leadbitter Centre backs 6. Lockyer,7 Craig, 8 New CB, 9 Broadbent LB 10.None 11 None Wingers 12. Bennett, 13 Moore. 14 New winger,15 Mensah Midfielders 16 Lines ,17 Sercombe, 18 New CM, 19 O Clarke, 20 Sinclair Forwards 21 Harrison, 22 New CF, 23 New CF, 24 Nicholls That is looking at 8 new players and based on losing Bola, Telford, Sweeney, Burn, Lee Brown, James Clarke, Gaffney, Broom, and remewmbering with the new rules we will need to have a full squad by the first match of the season with no room to make adjustments until January. I would say whatever avenue we take a minimum of 5 quality players are needed to come in and if we got those we would probably have to lose one of Ollie Clarke and Sinclair and possibly Leadbitter. It is going to be an interesting summer but until the owners give DC their intentions we don't really know what is feasible or if it is even possible to make a us a Top 6 chasing team.
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Post by pirate on Apr 28, 2018 21:33:04 GMT
I'd let the following players leave: Moore Nichols Bola Leadbitter J Clarke Sweeney Broom Gaffney Burn Undecided on the keepers and Telford. To me that’s simply too many to get rid of. Players like Leadbitter and Moore may not be top 6 quality but they are decent for this division and provide would provide us with the squad depth needed. I would also worry that getting rid of so many players might have an adverse impact on the squad togetherness something which has been key to our success under DC. Don’t get me wrong I’d definitely get rid of 4-5 though but I think by and large we need to keep the bulk of the existing squad and concentrate our transfer funds so we can push the boat out to secure 3-4 players in key positions that can come in and improve the team immediately. We won’t have that if we are overhauling the squad to bring in 7 or 8 replacements, just look at Bury and Northampton this season to show you what a high turnover of players gets you, we mustn’t fall into that trap. I totally understand where you are coming from, but none of those players have particularly impressed this season and most of them haven't even been regulars. I could understand keeping Leadbitter and I wouldn't be disappointed if he was retained, but Moore certainly hasn't done anything to justify a new deal. His recent upturn in performances aren't anything to write home about, the performances previously were so poor he could only improve! 4 assists and 2 goals in two seasons in League One simply isn't good enough IMHO. We could definitely release that many and bring in better replacements to fit our budget, if we do our due diligence and cast our net far and wide. I've got no doubt about that. Just because Bury and Northampton mucked up this season, doesn't mean we will do the same. Shrewsbury signed 8 or 9 in the summer and look where they are.
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Post by yattongas on Apr 28, 2018 21:44:29 GMT
Yeah , I've been doing a bit of video scouting and seen this great lad from the Congalese 3rd division , who has a great left foot ,he's also got a right foot, he can run and jump and kick the ball. I watched his video on 'Congo's got talent' . I think we should sign him.
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Post by LJG on Apr 28, 2018 21:47:11 GMT
I did find it off he did his own separate lap of honour today. Must admit I didn't notice that but I did see Ellis doing his own thing in front of the West Enc. Yes, LB started his lap of honour applauding the crowd from near the tunnel right after the final whistle. RG did the same walking about 10 yards behind him. This was way before the official squad lap of honour started.
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Post by pirate on Apr 28, 2018 21:57:13 GMT
pirate, Whilst you say you genuinely think we could replace all these players in the summer I would suggest that you have a very short memory. The reason we are where we are this season is not due to the work done last summer. We started the season with not enough players to really put out any worthwhile set formation, the friendlies were an absolute shambles with not enough first choice players to field proper teams and at Christmas I honestly thought that we were nearer relegation candidates than Play off contenders and in all honesty we have fallen short recently due to injuries. We could not even beat a very ordinary Gillingham side today and have lost to a lot of very ordinary teams this season. I agree we need four or five quality players but we have to fill a squad and not just the 11 on the pitch. In all honesty I think we have a nucleus of players who can all play "average" League 1 football but it is as a squad that we need to be looking. We could not find a striker worth signing last summer-why should it be any different now? It took us until the last day of deadline in January to find a decent winger so why should we fare any better in the summer? Are there any signs that the owners are going to loosen the purse strings.I think not. Bola, Telford and Sweeney are not ours to make a decision on so they can be counted out anyway as can Browner now. Because our Manager likes to mess with formations it means we have to have MORE players than if we pretty well played in a set formation ie with Leadbitter injured we struggled to play Wing backs even with Brown available. We struggled for even longer to replace Montano with even a slightly better winger and you need to have cover if you want to play 4-4-2 regularly. We still haven't replaced either Taylor or Bodin as regards goalscorers and this has been our biggest problem. For me we have for too long been a team that have no real leader of our attack and any substitutions in the attack pretty well leave us the same. The inclusion of Byron Moore for so long when we have had nothing to play for does not signal to me a player that is about to be released and he looks to me a player who is well capable of performing at this level and a class above either Mensah or Broom. I see no signs that Mensah will be up to the standard of a Play off chasing team by the start of the season as his rawness has really shocked me as when he signed I was under the impression that he was a non league star who would be ready to push for a place.If we get rid of Moore there is nothing to say we will get anyone any better let alone two wingers that are better and I would rather have to start with Moore ands Bennett than how we started this season. I would like to see him given another one year contract AND get a new winger in. As regards Leadbitter, Partington and James Clarke they are all capable of playing with all having weaknesses. I always look at a team as having a squad Goalkeepers: 1. Slocombe 2.Smith Two competent keepers at this level although I wouldn't be amiss releasing Smith and getting a new No 1 RB 3.New RB, 4.Partington, 5.Leadbitter Centre backs 6. Lockyer,7 Craig, 8 New CB, 9 Broadbent LB 10.None 11 None Wingers 12. Bennett, 13 Moore. 14 New winger,15 Mensah Midfielders 16 Lines ,17 Sercombe, 18 New CM, 19 O Clarke, 20 Sinclair Forwards 21 Harrison, 22 New CF, 23 New CF, 24 Nicholls That is looking at 8 new players and based on losing Bola, Telford, Sweeney, Burn, Lee Brown, James Clarke, Gaffney, Broom, and remewmbering with the new rules we will need to have a full squad by the first match of the season with no room to make adjustments until January. I would say whatever avenue we take a minimum of 5 quality players are needed to come in and if we got those we would probably have to lose one of Ollie Clarke and Sinclair and possibly Leadbitter. It is going to be an interesting summer but until the owners give DC their intentions we don't really know what is feasible or if it is even possible to make a us a Top 6 chasing team. There are plenty of quality strikers we could realistically sign, it's down to Wael how much he wants to back DC. The players are out there, but we might have to look outside these islands for the best value. As for Moore, I'm shocked at how people can overlook 18 months of powder puff performances with no end product because he has raised his performances in the past month or two. I could name double figure amounts of wingers that would undoubtedly produce a higher level of performance and end product than he has produced these past two seasons.
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Post by pirate on Apr 28, 2018 21:58:49 GMT
Yeah , I've been doing a bit of video scouting and seen this great lad from the Congalese 3rd division , who has a great left foot ,he's also got a right foot, he can run and jump and kick the ball. I watched his video on 'Congo's got talent' . I think we should sign him. Funny.
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 28, 2018 22:10:55 GMT
Quite a list that Pirate. Interested to know if you genuinely think we'd be able to replace them all with better in one window ? Personally I'd like to see us go after 3 or 4 quality players to come into the starting 11 obviously that would mean not releasing as many as you've suggested but imo we'd end up with a stronger squad. Yes, I genuinely do think we could replace them with better in one window. Just a pity you've never signed a league player in your life! No idea why you are suggesting we should release Nichols and possibly the goalies as they are all under contract, so we're stuck with all 3 unless another club will take them off our hands or we buy up their contracts.
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Post by Colyton Gas on Apr 28, 2018 22:14:18 GMT
Reminds me of when The Latvian did a mini lap of honour to say farewell.Now he was sheer quality.
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Post by pirate on Apr 28, 2018 22:14:28 GMT
Yes, I genuinely do think we could replace them with better in one window. Just a pity you've never signed a league player in your life! No idea why you are suggesting we should release Nichols and possibly the goalies as they are all under contract, so we're stuck with all 3 unless another club will take them off our hands or we buy up their contracts. I haven't said I'd "release" Nichols and I said I was "undecided" on the keepers.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2018 23:00:22 GMT
pirate, Whilst you say you genuinely think we could replace all these players in the summer I would suggest that you have a very short memory. The reason we are where we are this season is not due to the work done last summer. We started the season with not enough players to really put out any worthwhile set formation, the friendlies were an absolute shambles with not enough first choice players to field proper teams and at Christmas I honestly thought that we were nearer relegation candidates than Play off contenders and in all honesty we have fallen short recently due to injuries. We could not even beat a very ordinary Gillingham side today and have lost to a lot of very ordinary teams this season. I agree we need four or five quality players but we have to fill a squad and not just the 11 on the pitch. In all honesty I think we have a nucleus of players who can all play "average" League 1 football but it is as a squad that we need to be looking. We could not find a striker worth signing last summer-why should it be any different now? It took us until the last day of deadline in January to find a decent winger so why should we fare any better in the summer? Are there any signs that the owners are going to loosen the purse strings.I think not. Bola, Telford and Sweeney are not ours to make a decision on so they can be counted out anyway as can Browner now. Because our Manager likes to mess with formations it means we have to have MORE players than if we pretty well played in a set formation ie with Leadbitter injured we struggled to play Wing backs even with Brown available. We struggled for even longer to replace Montano with even a slightly better winger and you need to have cover if you want to play 4-4-2 regularly. We still haven't replaced either Taylor or Bodin as regards goalscorers and this has been our biggest problem. For me we have for too long been a team that have no real leader of our attack and any substitutions in the attack pretty well leave us the same. The inclusion of Byron Moore for so long when we have had nothing to play for does not signal to me a player that is about to be released and he looks to me a player who is well capable of performing at this level and a class above either Mensah or Broom. I see no signs that Mensah will be up to the standard of a Play off chasing team by the start of the season as his rawness has really shocked me as when he signed I was under the impression that he was a non league star who would be ready to push for a place.If we get rid of Moore there is nothing to say we will get anyone any better let alone two wingers that are better and I would rather have to start with Moore ands Bennett than how we started this season. I would like to see him given another one year contract AND get a new winger in. As regards Leadbitter, Partington and James Clarke they are all capable of playing with all having weaknesses. I always look at a team as having a squad Goalkeepers: 1. Slocombe 2.Smith Two competent keepers at this level although I wouldn't be amiss releasing Smith and getting a new No 1 RB 3.New RB, 4.Partington, 5.Leadbitter Centre backs 6. Lockyer,7 Craig, 8 New CB, 9 Broadbent LB 10.None 11 None Wingers 12. Bennett, 13 Moore. 14 New winger,15 Mensah Midfielders 16 Lines ,17 Sercombe, 18 New CM, 19 O Clarke, 20 Sinclair Forwards 21 Harrison, 22 New CF, 23 New CF, 24 Nicholls That is looking at 8 new players and based on losing Bola, Telford, Sweeney, Burn, Lee Brown, James Clarke, Gaffney, Broom, and remewmbering with the new rules we will need to have a full squad by the first match of the season with no room to make adjustments until January. I would say whatever avenue we take a minimum of 5 quality players are needed to come in and if we got those we would probably have to lose one of Ollie Clarke and Sinclair and possibly Leadbitter. It is going to be an interesting summer but until the owners give DC their intentions we don't really know what is feasible or if it is even possible to make a us a Top 6 chasing team. Some really good points here, particularly about the lack of a leader in attack. I'd agree wholeheartedly, although Ellis has shown signs that he can develop into that player, if we can keep him. He's still relatively young and expecting him to be that leader week in week out may not be realistic yet. He's getting there though. Personally, I'm not sure we need three right backs and I'd retain Gaffney and James Clarke as one of the centre forwards and centre halfs respectively. Sinclair would also be one of the first names on the team sheet for me rather than someone to potentially release. However, it's your final point that is key. The playing budget should reflect our ambition, which in turn reflects our ability (or otherwise) to sustain football at a higher level. If we're not able to do that for whatever reason (stadium, training facilities, financial, etc) it will do us more harm than good to go up and we may just have to cut our playing budget cloth accordingly until we are ready off the pitch.
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Post by gasheadbatesy on Apr 28, 2018 23:58:10 GMT
All the back 4 that started today I personally hope won’t be here next season. Browner obviously wont be. James Clarke offers little attacking (unlike parts and leads who have there own battle there when fit). Craig I’m confused with. We not tightened up at the back since his experienced head arrived. Just the same before he arrived. Tom Lockyer I would cash out with him now while hes a young welsh international. Lockyer is a really water poor player.
1st game next season i’d Go leads right back. Kelly left back. Partington center back and captain. And another experienced center back to be signed. Broadbent ain’t streetwise yet and I don’t think he’ll catch up as he’s late in the game of football. Steve Elliott anyone.
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Post by stevek192 on Apr 29, 2018 0:24:23 GMT
gasheadbatesy, Interesting points and shows just why football is such a great game with so many different views on it. I would disagree that Craig hasn't tightened it up and IMO he is a quality player. for me the biggest problem since Christmas has been our inability in the final third to actually take chances and when two of your strikers have about a 1 goal in 25 match runs it is hardly surprising. we have had a lot of tough fixtures since Craig joined and IMo the defence has been much better with goals being conceded down to individual errors and the opposition having very few strikes at goal. As for your back four Leads has hardly played this season and was hardly that good when he did play, Partington has not shown himself to be an outstanding centre half, would tend to agree about signing a big dominant centre half but don't think we can look at Kelly to play first choice next season based on 15 minutes of football. for me Bola at 20 is a far better prospect but we don't even know if he will be available anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 0:50:58 GMT
Just a quick sample of results before tony craig.
rovers 1 peterbro 4 wigan 3 rovers 0 portsmouth 3 rovers o shrewsbury 4 rovers o notts co 4 rovers 2 rovers 1 wimbledon 3 [ hey wait a minute only 3-1? ,it should have been 7-1] gillingham 4 rovers 1
And heres a list of the similar thrashings since we signed craig
1] ? 2] ? there are none actually
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Post by pucklegas on Apr 29, 2018 7:21:08 GMT
We need quality not quantity players like Liam Sercombe who can slot straight in, Kelly looked good in his short performance but we didn’t see him long enough. Telford worth signing, undecided on Bola. Wonder if there will be some surprises with the retained list, Linesy Ollie C and sincs will they all stay? Leads has so many injuries, and good going forward but not that strong defensively for me. Gaffers gives 100 % but not good enough, Nichols one more season to prove himself looks like he has a good touch but appears too weak, same size as Telford but what a difference in strength. Let’s hope DC gets the backing and Pirate off here as chief scout.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 7:34:02 GMT
gasheadbatesy, Interesting points and shows just why football is such a great game with so many different views on it. I would disagree that Craig hasn't tightened it up and IMO he is a quality player. for me the biggest problem since Christmas has been our inability in the final third to actually take chances and when two of your strikers have about a 1 goal in 25 match runs it is hardly surprising. we have had a lot of tough fixtures since Craig joined and IMo the defence has been much better with goals being conceded down to individual errors and the opposition having very few strikes at goal. As for your back four Leads has hardly played this season and was hardly that good when he did play, Partington has not shown himself to be an outstanding centre half, would tend to agree about signing a big dominant centre half but don't think we can look at Kelly to play first choice next season based on 15 minutes of football. for me Bola at 20 is a far better prospect but we don't even know if he will be available anyway. Agree with most of this, although Bola's a no from me. You've expressed my argument about Tony Craig far more eloquently than I've been able to!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 7:56:20 GMT
All the back 4 that started today I personally hope won’t be here next season. Browner obviously wont be. James Clarke offers little attacking (unlike parts and leads who have there own battle there when fit). Craig I’m confused with. We not tightened up at the back since his experienced head arrived. Just the same before he arrived. Tom Lockyer I would cash out with him now while hes a young welsh international. Lockyer is a really water poor player. 1st game next season i’d Go leads right back. Kelly left back. Partington center back and captain. And another experienced center back to be signed. Broadbent ain’t streetwise yet and I don’t think he’ll catch up as he’s late in the game of football. Steve Elliott anyone. Why don’t you just say you want DC sacked
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Post by markczgas on Apr 29, 2018 8:19:15 GMT
With the loan players - I'd not bother with Bola ( not dynamic or effective enough) and Sweeney ( a bit slow and lost his mojo). I'd go in for Telford ( knows where the back of the net is ).
I'd release - Broom ( no tricks), Moore ( no goals or assists). I'm not sure if Gaffney should stay - as we are lumped with Nichols. 4 forwards is max for Gas budget - Harrison, Telford, Nichols and new striker. Burn ( of course) , then it's a toss up between Clarke and Leads ( personally don't know because both are injury -prone - surely the club can't keep both , maybe neither because of injury issues.
We need a major overhaul of the backline and find a Taylor-type to partner Harrison (Telford, we know can be a good back-up) .NIchols - the biggest waste of money since Mickey Evans !!?
I can't see Tom Lockyer as a CB really - lacks the height. Surely a Locks /Craig combo is not the way forward. DC has to put faith in Broadbent or give Parts a go here or get a strong beast with height in here !
Keepers stick with the 2 but don't think Smith is impressive at all.
Obviously, a new LB in with possibly this Kelly as back up ( after a 20 min show ??). Locks and a new RB to fight for that position. Midfield, we desperately need a wide right player with Mensah as back -up, We need back-up on left for Bennett. In the middle,we need to look at getting someone in to do Lines' role - he may not have another full season in him as age will catch up with him soon. So a striker, a CB, a LB and RM of quality are vital. But there's a case for back -up for Lines and Bennett too. Perhaps 6 new signings !
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