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Post by rosssgb on May 1, 2018 10:31:13 GMT
Plus I can't imagine his wages will break the bank if Stoke don't offer him a new deal - fingers crossed it's been Darrell's plan all along to hold Dom off of minutes in the first team in the hopes of getting him on a free That's why I am hoping but doesn't look too promising from Doms interview. I like to think DC told him he wants to sign him up in the summer and has promised more first team opportunities. You can see why DC has preferred to give Nichols more game time to justify the price tag. Maybe the last few games he has played in has been his last chance. If Telford signs then we cant use the excuse of DC giving preference to our permanent players anymore! I don't mean to be too harsh on Nichols but from what I've seen he truly is another Luke James. I think we need to loan him out to a top half league 2 club next season, maybe Exeter again if they don't come up (with a call back clause), and hopefully he can start scoring some goals. If not I feel we need to cut our losses.
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Post by Gashead73 on May 1, 2018 11:18:49 GMT
I like Telford, I think we will be seeing him back in colours next season... I like his ethic and I wished he was given more gametime this season
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Post by lastminutewinner on May 1, 2018 14:35:40 GMT
Plus I can't imagine his wages will break the bank if Stoke don't offer him a new deal - fingers crossed it's been Darrell's plan all along to hold Dom off of minutes in the first team in the hopes of getting him on a free I've seen a number of interviews from DC now pretty much insinuating that he has kept Telford appearances quiet and under the radar so we can snap him up this summer.
We are all aware of telford's ability, but if we did start him all season and he banged goals in for fun, either stoke would have him sign a new deal or a bigger club would snap him up for free. It's selfish on our part you could argue but how hard is it to find a proven goalscorer in today's day and age, especially one on the free too!
I keep hearing this but would any manager really not play a player who (if reasons are true) IS considered good enough for the first team just in the 'hope' he might be able to sign him on the cheap and with less competition in the summer?
For this to even be credible he must have massive assurance from the player himself, otherwise you just play your best players you have at your disposal.
Lots of scouts watch development games so his goals wont have gone unnoticed.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 15:27:02 GMT
I think it would be good to have a big man option upfront, but I wouldn't want it to just be a lump to knock it long to, he would have to have a bit of pace and be able to play on the deck. To find the right player is easier said than done! Big lad good in the air,pacey,able to play on the deck,,what about ellis harrison at bristol rovers? Is Ellis good in the air, he's certainly the best striker in the air we have, but how many headed goals has he scored, how often does he win headers from our corners or free kicks. I suppose our delivery into the box isn't great but he seems to win very few headers at goal.
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Post by pirate on May 1, 2018 15:34:32 GMT
Big lad good in the air,pacey,able to play on the deck,,what about ellis harrison at bristol rovers? Is Ellis good in the air, he's certainly the best striker in the air we have, but how many headed goals has he scored, how often does he win headers from our corners or free kicks. I suppose our delivery into the box isn't great but he seems to win very few headers at goal. It's a good point. I believe the only goal he has scored with his head this season was one away at Northampton. For a player who has a good leap and wins so many defensive headers in our box, that is a record that could be improved on.
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Post by bovrilsorters on May 1, 2018 15:46:09 GMT
Is Ellis good in the air, he's certainly the best striker in the air we have, but how many headed goals has he scored, how often does he win headers from our corners or free kicks. I suppose our delivery into the box isn't great but he seems to win very few headers at goal. It's a good point. I believe the only goal he has scored with his head this season was one away at Northampton. For a player who has a good leap and wins so many defensive headers in our box, that is a record that could be improved on. Is a bizarre one, on defending set pieces he is by far our most prolific in the air however struggles in the opposition box. I think from set pieces the quality of delivery (lack of pace and in swinging) makes it tougher to attack the ball with real purpose, however from open play feel he needs to do some work on firstly getting in the right area (problem with most of our strikers is that run the channels and aren't in around 6 yard box when balls come in) and secondly finding that cuteness in movement to find half a yard - his body positioning and movement to get in front of defenders to receive balls forward (bringing into chest / controlling, laying off) this season has come on massively, so think he is capable to developing these attributes which would take him to the next level.
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Post by pirate on May 1, 2018 15:49:29 GMT
It's a good point. I believe the only goal he has scored with his head this season was one away at Northampton. For a player who has a good leap and wins so many defensive headers in our box, that is a record that could be improved on. Is a bizarre one, on defending set pieces he is by far our most prolific in the air however struggles in the opposition box. I think from set pieces the quality of delivery (lack of pace and in swinging) makes it tougher to attack the ball with real purpose, however from open play feel he needs to do some work on firstly getting in the right area (problem with most of our strikers is that run the channels and aren't in around 6 yard box when balls come in) and secondly fining that cuteness in movement to find half a yard - his body positioning and movement to get in front of defenders to receive balls forward this season has come on massively, so think he is capable to developing these attributes which would take him to the next level. I can't argue with any of that and you've pretty much summed up my thoughts too.
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Post by bovrilsorters on May 1, 2018 15:52:37 GMT
Is a bizarre one, on defending set pieces he is by far our most prolific in the air however struggles in the opposition box. I think from set pieces the quality of delivery (lack of pace and in swinging) makes it tougher to attack the ball with real purpose, however from open play feel he needs to do some work on firstly getting in the right area (problem with most of our strikers is that run the channels and aren't in around 6 yard box when balls come in) and secondly fining that cuteness in movement to find half a yard - his body positioning and movement to get in front of defenders to receive balls forward this season has come on massively, so think he is capable to developing these attributes which would take him to the next level. I can't argue with any of that and you've pretty much summed up my thoughts too. Over to Stewie in the summer to see what can do with him, his movement and ability to find the bit of space around the box was his key attribute so nobody better to teach him....
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Post by pirate on May 1, 2018 15:58:57 GMT
I can't argue with any of that and you've pretty much summed up my thoughts too. Over to Stewie in the summer to see what can do with him, his movement and ability to find the bit of space around the box was his key attribute so nobody better to teach him.... He was also good in the air for a player of his size. I think people sometimes forget Ellis is still only 24 and there is plenty of time for him to improve and develop his game, which we have seen plenty of this season.
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Post by lpgas on May 1, 2018 16:28:15 GMT
For me Telford is a lot better than Nichols. He's harder, has better ball control and not frightened to shoot. If we have to keep Nicholls, I'd play him on the wing. Although we would have to teach him to cross the ball
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Post by hollyhillgas on May 1, 2018 16:32:15 GMT
I didn't think his interview was indicating he was likely to stay. I think we would have been between 4 and 6 points better off if he had played instead of Nichols. If DC is keeping him under wraps and everyone here knows about, so does the rest of the world. Stoke will offer him a contract and loan him out to a team that will use him more.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 22:05:08 GMT
Big lad good in the air,pacey,able to play on the deck,,what about ellis harrison at bristol rovers? Is Ellis good in the air, he's certainly the best striker in the air we have, but how many headed goals has he scored, how often does he win headers from our corners or free kicks. I suppose our delivery into the box isn't great but he seems to win very few headers at goal. Most of the football i watch on tv it seems its the centre-backs who are more dangerous at corners. Gary madine who played against us for bolton last season is a big striker,he cost cardiff £6m. All we could afford is another matt harold who will score the odd blistering header from a corner but is a quarter the player ellis is. Who are these league one players that score loads from crosses? Charlie wyke has 15 goals and is that type of player but most of the goalscorers are smaller players like marriott,dack and pitman. We have a good mobile target man we just need a dack/bodin/taylor type player to replace moore/nichols and support bennett imo.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on May 2, 2018 6:16:09 GMT
The main difference between Telford and Nichols IMO is that Telford is more aggressive and on his toes more. You'd much rather have Telford in the trenches with you than Nichols. Telford really excites me if we can sign him.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2018 10:57:58 GMT
Is Ellis good in the air, he's certainly the best striker in the air we have, but how many headed goals has he scored, how often does he win headers from our corners or free kicks. I suppose our delivery into the box isn't great but he seems to win very few headers at goal. Most of the football i watch on tv it seems its the centre-backs who are more dangerous at corners. Gary madine who played against us for bolton last season is a big striker,he cost cardiff £6m. All we could afford is another matt harold who will score the odd blistering header from a corner but is a quarter the player ellis is. Who are these league one players that score loads from crosses? Charlie wyke has 15 goals and is that type of player but most of the goalscorers are smaller players like marriott,dack and pitman. We have a good mobile target man we just need a dack/bodin/taylor type player to replace moore/nichols and support bennett imo. Wont argue with any of that, i just queried whether Ellis is good in the air in an attacking sense, i feel he could improve on this part of his game and become a better player. Even Taylor scored more with headers so it's not about size alone.
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Post by lastminutewinner on May 2, 2018 14:23:12 GMT
Is Ellis good in the air, he's certainly the best striker in the air we have, but how many headed goals has he scored, how often does he win headers from our corners or free kicks. I suppose our delivery into the box isn't great but he seems to win very few headers at goal. Most of the football i watch on tv it seems its the centre-backs who are more dangerous at corners. Gary madine who played against us for bolton last season is a big striker,he cost cardiff £6m. All we could afford is another matt harold who will score the odd blistering header from a corner but is a quarter the player ellis is. Who are these league one players that score loads from crosses? Charlie wyke has 15 goals and is that type of player but most of the goalscorers are smaller players like marriott,dack and pitman. We have a good mobile target man we just need a dack/bodin/taylor type player to replace moore/nichols and support bennett imo.
A big man up front doesn't necessarily have to score shed loads of goals to be worth a place in the team.
Just ask Plymouth fans about Ryan Taylor and what he offers them, or read through this PASOTI on Taylor. "Big, strong, holds the ball up and brings others into the game" - how many of these do we have?
Sometimes, like with Akinfenwa for example, sheer physical presence makes opposition defenders sh** themselves and make mistakes.
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Post by toddy1953 on May 2, 2018 15:02:34 GMT
Strange how things pan out. 12 Months ago a lot of us were desperate for us to sign Sweeney, some on here seemed to know about Nicholls before he signed & most were pleased when he signed. As for Dom Telford, I'd never heard of him & who knew of Tom Broadbent? As DC said Telford is a work in progress, of the two I prefer him over Nicholls as he does score, but I can't see DC loaning him again, if he can't get him on a free. I too would like to see a big CF, if nothing else to make us more competitive at corners & hold the ball up , this could also benefit Nicholls, I'd also like to see Ellis out wide. But DC will know best UTG
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2018 15:16:42 GMT
If we are looking for a big lad who can also score then Jaydon Stockley at Exeter would fit the bill perhaps we could offer Nichols in part-exchange?
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2018 16:29:27 GMT
If we are looking for a big lad who can also score then Jaydon Stockley at Exeter would fit the bill perhaps we could offer Nichols in part-exchange? That would be excellent business imo
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2018 22:46:07 GMT
Most of the football i watch on tv it seems its the centre-backs who are more dangerous at corners. Gary madine who played against us for bolton last season is a big striker,he cost cardiff £6m. All we could afford is another matt harold who will score the odd blistering header from a corner but is a quarter the player ellis is. Who are these league one players that score loads from crosses? Charlie wyke has 15 goals and is that type of player but most of the goalscorers are smaller players like marriott,dack and pitman. We have a good mobile target man we just need a dack/bodin/taylor type player to replace moore/nichols and support bennett imo. Wont argue with any of that, i just queried whether Ellis is good in the air in an attacking sense, i feel he could improve on this part of his game and become a better player. Even Taylor scored more with headers so it's not about size alone. Funnily enough on the club website today he said he disappointed not to get 20 goals this season. Yes taylor more likely to head a goal than ellis so your right he could improve in the header on goal area.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2018 22:49:53 GMT
Most of the football i watch on tv it seems its the centre-backs who are more dangerous at corners. Gary madine who played against us for bolton last season is a big striker,he cost cardiff £6m. All we could afford is another matt harold who will score the odd blistering header from a corner but is a quarter the player ellis is. Who are these league one players that score loads from crosses? Charlie wyke has 15 goals and is that type of player but most of the goalscorers are smaller players like marriott,dack and pitman. We have a good mobile target man we just need a dack/bodin/taylor type player to replace moore/nichols and support bennett imo.
A big man up front doesn't necessarily have to score shed loads of goals to be worth a place in the team.
Just ask Plymouth fans about Ryan Taylor and what he offers them, or read through this PASOTI on Taylor. "Big, strong, holds the ball up and brings others into the game" - how many of these do we have?
Sometimes, like with Akinfenwa for example, sheer physical presence makes opposition defenders sh** themselves and make mistakes.
Yes i agree and i think ellis has done that job very well this season. I would argue ellis does all that akinfenwa and taylor does but is much more mobile as well.
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