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Post by pirate on Jul 10, 2018 23:23:00 GMT
"the quality of the Mem is roughly in the middle of all those grounds" and "Those that state the Mem is one of the worst stadiums in the football league are IMO either frustrated, deluded or are glory hunters and have only attended those big capacity away big grounds" Eh, seriously!? I'd say you are the one who is "deluded" and possibly looking at things through Rovers tinted specs! There is probably only one ground in League One (Accrington) that is worse than ours (even they are building a new stand) and possibly only five or six (arguably less) in League Two that are worse than ours. How anyone could say any different is truly remarkable to me! What a crass statement. You clearly have not been to Wimbledon, Fleetwood, Luton, Oxford, Rochdale, Shrewsbury Wycombe in Div 1 then!! Crawley, Exeter, FGR, Macclesfield, Morecombe, Stevenage in Div 2 also all of which do not come close to the Mem IMO. I've been to most of those you've mentioned and I'll agree about Wimbledon (although moving to a new £25million stadium for season 19/20) and maybe Luton (planning for a new 17,500 stadium) and Fleetwood (their new stand is better than anything we have) in League One, but not the rest. How you can say the Mem is better than Shrewsbury's for example is beyond belief. Even Rochdale's is superior (see below). In League Two I'd agree about Macclesfield, Morecambe and Crawley, but at least the rest look like football stadiums. Even Exeter City's will be better than ours this season with the redevelopment taking place (see artist impression below).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 0:33:26 GMT
Everybody knows we need a new ground or a rebuild of our current ground including the owners. Its a simple fact and wael himself has said as much both before and after the UWE failure. Whats the point of dressing things up to seem ok when we need the new build to progress and even survive.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 5:52:35 GMT
With a very good manager in charge of the team? U make I laugh Don’t you mean larf?
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jul 11, 2018 6:11:58 GMT
Why would he waste his money to watch a team play under a completely clueless, incompetent manager? Absolutely correct Can i send you some Rose tinted glasses, they will help you understand that DC is God
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Post by midlandgas213 on Jul 11, 2018 6:51:10 GMT
Can i send you some Rose tinted glasses, they will help you understand that DC is God You are starting to sound like Bill shankly now
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Post by Jomo on Jul 11, 2018 7:01:33 GMT
"the quality of the Mem is roughly in the middle of all those grounds" and "Those that state the Mem is one of the worst stadiums in the football league are IMO either frustrated, deluded or are glory hunters and have only attended those big capacity away big grounds" Eh, seriously!? I'd say you are the one who is "deluded" and possibly looking at things through Rovers tinted specs! There is probably only one ground in League One (Accrington) that is worse than ours (even they are building a new stand) and possibly only five or six (arguably less) in League Two that are worse than ours. How anyone could say any different is truly remarkable to me! What a crass statement. You clearly have not been to Wimbledon, Fleetwood, Luton, Oxford, Rochdale, Shrewsbury Wycombe in Div 1 then!! Crawley, Exeter, FGR, Macclesfield, Morecombe, Stevenage in Div 2 also all of which do not come close to the Mem IMO. Your entitled to your opinion but IMO your view will only result in you being completely disillusioned with attending whether Rovers win or lose. Is the Mem the best NO is the Mem adequate for the team to progress beyond where we sit NO but it is adequate for where we are or it is to many. Would I like better YES but I have never struggled for a good view of the pitch in the dry, The bar is warm and dry with pub prices (Wetherspoons apart) and that is before the refurb, the new pitch is one of the best in the division with a top half team, why are you so doom and gloom over what you haven't got? I bet you drive a Nissan but slag off its performance as it is not as good as a Bentley you long for. How are you comparing the Mem to other grounds you've been to? What criteria are you using to make your comparisons? Reason I ask is that I would expect most "away" sections to be a bit rough and lacking the same quality of facilities compared to the rest of each stadium. It's the same for any set of visiting fans to the Mem. I bet they think the Mem is a complete dump, wouldn't you think?
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jul 11, 2018 7:09:41 GMT
Can i send you some Rose tinted glasses, they will help you understand that DC is God You are starting to sound like Bill shankly now I'm his love child
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Post by peterhooper57 on Jul 11, 2018 7:10:18 GMT
The MEM is one of the worst grounds, if not the worst, in the country, l would like an update on when the MEM is going to be rebuilt. I am now personally ...... off with Wael, Hani and Hamer, they are awful custodians of our club, they take offence if supporters request an update. I will be glad when they are off ski.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jul 11, 2018 7:12:15 GMT
The MEM is one of the worst grounds, if not the worst, in the country, l would like an update on when the MEM is going to be rebuilt. I am now personally ...... off with Wael, Hani and Hamer, they are awful custodians of our club, they take offence if supporters request an update. I will be glad when they are off ski. Not happy with things then
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Post by Jomo on Jul 11, 2018 7:20:21 GMT
The MEM is one of the worst grounds, if not the worst, in the country, l would like an update on when the MEM is going to be rebuilt. I am now personally ...... off with Wael, Hani and Hamer, they are awful custodians of our club, they take offence if supporters request an update. I will be glad when they are off ski. Bit OTT? Their communication on the big issues (stadium and training ground) has been very poor I admit, but they're funding plenty of other background developments for the future of the club, and have kept hold of DC. So they're not "awful" custodians at all. Not perfect certainly, but not as bad as you make out.
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Post by Gasshole on Jul 11, 2018 10:17:00 GMT
The MEM is one of the worst grounds, if not the worst, in the country, l would like an update on when the MEM is going to be rebuilt. I am now personally ...... off with Wael, Hani and Hamer, they are awful custodians of our club, they take offence if supporters request an update. I will be glad when they are off ski. Hang in there Hoops, apparently we’re on the brink...of something really unknown.
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Post by poorblue on Jul 11, 2018 13:10:26 GMT
What you have overlooked is the capacity seems to be limiting the potential gates, as if we were playing in a stadium with a 18/22,000 capacity our average home gates would probably be pushing 15,000 at the start of this season. For a club of our size/potential we have clearly outgrown the Mem to suggest otherwise is simply nonsense and contradicts what the previous and present owners have suggested. I hadn't overlooked that point which is correct, My point was exactly that, capacity governs where you are sustainably likely to be within the league. This link explains the outcome of capacity as it affects another club that the Rovers have beaten to a player signing. www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/burton/burton-albion-interest-alex-rodman-1772300The doom and gloom merchants on the forum repeatedly state that players will not sign for Rovers because we have the worst stadium in the league. Well Burton have a nice new LITLE stadium without tents and Rodman still sign for the Gas. Upson and Sercombe both signed to play in what some say is the worst stadium as well. It's a given that a modern larger capacity stadium will attract better players (and on higher wages) and more fans who will pay more to get in as well. That's called evolution in business growth!!! I wish for better as well In the meantime having attended over 120 grounds watching Rovers IMO the Mem is nowhere near the worst ground in the league. To say it is, is plain silly and negative IMO. To those who gripe why not cross the river to a ultra modern stadium as IMO opinion you might be happier.
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Post by stevek192 on Jul 11, 2018 13:21:33 GMT
As long as there is a Rovers to watch I couldn't really care less now about the Stadium as long as we can continue to get around 10,000 mark then all fine. We've had too many promises to worry about now and far too many pages of rubbish from people who it has pretty well been proved knew very little of any importance. Roll on the first game!!
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Post by axegas on Jul 11, 2018 13:32:45 GMT
What a crass statement. You clearly have not been to Wimbledon, Fleetwood, Luton, Oxford, Rochdale, Shrewsbury Wycombe in Div 1 then!! Crawley, Exeter, FGR, Macclesfield, Morecombe, Stevenage in Div 2 also all of which do not come close to the Mem IMO. I've been to most of those you've mentioned and I'll agree about Wimbledon (although moving to a new £25million stadium for season 19/20) and maybe Luton (planning for a new 17,500 stadium) and Fleetwood (their new stand is better than anything we have) in League One, but not the rest. How you can say the Mem is better than Shrewsbury's for example is beyond belief. Even Rochdale's is superior (see below). In League Two I'd agree about Macclesfield, Morecambe and Crawley, but at least the rest look like football stadiums. Even Exeter City's will be better than ours this season with the redevelopment taking place (see artist impression below). Disagree with Morecambe. They moved into a purpose built stadium in 2010, which features a main stand far superior to anything we have at the mem as it includes advanced changing rooms, first aid facilities, officials' dressing rooms, gym and office facilities for players and management, a bar and a club shop. Attachment DeletedAttachment Deleted
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Post by pirate on Jul 11, 2018 13:33:37 GMT
What you have overlooked is the capacity seems to be limiting the potential gates, as if we were playing in a stadium with a 18/22,000 capacity our average home gates would probably be pushing 15,000 at the start of this season. For a club of our size/potential we have clearly outgrown the Mem to suggest otherwise is simply nonsense and contradicts what the previous and present owners have suggested. In the meantime having attended over 120 grounds watching Rovers IMO the Mem is nowhere near the worst ground in the league. To say it is, is plain silly and negative IMO. Lets not kid ourselves, It really is one of the worst in our League. Possibly only Accrington, Luton, Wimbledon and Fleetwood are worse.
Having said that, Wimbledon are moving into a new £25 million stadium for the 19/20 season and Luton have the plans and finance for a new 17,500 stadium. Wimbledon
Luton Even Fleetwood have a nice new stand
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Post by pirate on Jul 11, 2018 13:37:24 GMT
I've been to most of those you've mentioned and I'll agree about Wimbledon (although moving to a new £25million stadium for season 19/20) and maybe Luton (planning for a new 17,500 stadium) and Fleetwood (their new stand is better than anything we have) in League One, but not the rest. How you can say the Mem is better than Shrewsbury's for example is beyond belief. Even Rochdale's is superior (see below). In League Two I'd agree about Macclesfield, Morecambe and Crawley, but at least the rest look like football stadiums. Even Exeter City's will be better than ours this season with the redevelopment taking place (see artist impression below). Disagree with Morecambe. They moved into a purpose built stadium in 2010, which features a main stand far superior to anything we have at the mem as it includes advanced changing rooms, first aid facilities, officials' dressing rooms, gym and office facilities for players and management, a bar and a club shop. View AttachmentView AttachmentI did hesitate when mentioning Morecambe.
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Post by wertongas on Jul 11, 2018 14:21:57 GMT
if you go into a site for the top 120 football grounds capacity wise we are ranked 62, the site incudes National league teams. On another site ranking stadiums for match day experience unbelievably we are ranked 42 out of 92 stadiums. Apparently fans from other clubs think the ground is quirky although the stands are a odd mishmash. There are worse stadiums in the league such as luton, Carlisle, Macclesfield and Accrington, but that is not the point. The point is if we want to get back to where the club was between the 1950's and 1980 where we spent half our time in the second tier then the Mem needs a major upgrade. It maybe ok for some in league 1 and 2 but if we don't go forward onwards and upwards the club could get stuck in a rut and land back in the conference and no one wants that.
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Post by pirate on Jul 11, 2018 14:40:37 GMT
if you go into a site for the top 120 football grounds capacity wise we are ranked 62, the site incudes National league teams. On another site ranking stadiums for match day experience unbelievably we are ranked 42 out of 92 stadiums. Apparently fans from other clubs think the ground is quirky although the stands are a odd mishmash. There are worse stadiums in the league such as luton, Carlisle, Macclesfield and Accrington, but that is not the point. The point is if we want to get back to where the club was between the 1950's and 1980 where we spent half our time in the second tier then the Mem needs a major upgrade. It maybe ok for some in league 1 and 2 but if we don't go forward onwards and upwards the club could get stuck in a rut and land back in the conference and no one wants that. I prefer Carlisle's Brunton Park personally. Much bigger capacity too.
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Post by gaelgas on Jul 11, 2018 14:47:36 GMT
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I despair at some of the rubbish quoted on this forum regarding the Mem. Sorry for the detail but it might enlighten a few. In the Premier Division every club has 100% all seated stadiums. The vast majority have over 30000 capacity, the glaring odd one out being Bournemouth with 11360. The clubs that normally get relegated and then promoted back up a few seasons later almost every time are those with capacity of between 20000 and 30000. In the Championship every club except one, being Brentford, has all seated stadiums. It is mandatory for the top two tiers of the league to be all seater. All seater stadiums are not a panacea for watching football or success on the field. Ask Sunderland fans! The fans sometimes are subjected to getting wet because the roof doesn't cover the seating and post holding the roof obstructs the view and some fans are squashed into corners with little view of the pitch. Villa 42785 Birmingham 29409 Blackburn 31367 Bolton 28723 Brentford 12763 Bristol City 27000 Derby 335897 Hull 25586 Ipswich 30311 Leeds 37890 Middleboro 34742 Millwall 20146 Norwich 27244 Notts Forest 30445 Preston 23404 QPR 18439 Reading 24161 Rotherham 12061 Sheff Utd 32702 Sheff Weds 39732 Stoke 30089 Swansea 21088 West Brom 26850 Wigan 25138 From the above capacities you can clearly see which clubs that usually stay comfortably in the Championship and flit with promotion to the top tier and those that drop back down to level 3. It's interesting that our neighbours over the river even with a new stadium only have a capacity 11th from the bottom of the championship but not likely high enough to be sustainable in the top tier if they got there. In Division 1 there are 16 clubs that have 100% all seater stadiums and 8 do not ranging from 40% to 75% seating, the Mem being one with 50%. AFC Wimbledon 4850 Accrington 5057 Barnsley 23287 Blackpool 16750 Bradford 25136 Bristol Rovers 12300 Burton 6912 Charlton 27111 Coventry 32609 Doncaster R 15231 Fleetwood 5327 Gills 11582 Luton 10356 Oxford 12500 Peterboro 15314 Plymouth 16388 Portsmouth 21100 Rochdale 10000 Scunny 9088 Shrews 9875 Southend 12392 Sunderland 49000 Walsall 11300 Wycombe 10137 From the above capacities you can clearly see which clubs that usually stay comfortably in Division 1 and flit with promotion to the Championship and those that drop back down to level 4. Clearly this shows that the Gas are where traditionally we have usually played our football. Rovers sit 13th from the bottom capacity wise. In Division 2 13 clubs have all seater stadiums, the rest range from 35% to 50%. Bury 11840 Cambridge 8127 Carlisle 17949 Cheltenham 7066 Colchester 10105 Crawley 6134 Crewe 10153 Exeter 6087 Forest GR 4803 Grimsby 9052 Lincoln 10120 Macclesfield 9186 Mansfield 9186 MK Dons 30500 Northhampton 7798 Morecombe 6476 Newport 7850 Notts County 19841 Oldham 13512 Port Vale 19052 Stevenage 6722 Swindon 11547 Tranmere 16587 Yeovil 9562 From the above capacities you can clearly see which clubs that usually stay comfortably in Division 2 and flit with promotion to Division 1 and those that drop back down to level 5. Only 6 teams have a capacity greater than the gas. The point I'm trying to make is that Rovers are roughly in the middle of the football league where their capacity says it should sustainably be located. Having been to well over 120 stadiums watching Rovers over the years I can say first hand that the quality of the Men is roughly in the middle of all those grounds. The two worst that I recall were York and Atringham both of which made Twerton Park look regal. Those that state the Mem is one of the worst stadiums in the football league are IMO either frustrated, deluded or are glory hunters and have only attended those big capacity away big grounds Where on earth are the 6,125 seats in the Mem?
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Post by pirate on Jul 11, 2018 14:54:03 GMT
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I despair at some of the rubbish quoted on this forum regarding the Mem. Sorry for the detail but it might enlighten a few. In the Premier Division every club has 100% all seated stadiums. The vast majority have over 30000 capacity, the glaring odd one out being Bournemouth with 11360. The clubs that normally get relegated and then promoted back up a few seasons later almost every time are those with capacity of between 20000 and 30000. In the Championship every club except one, being Brentford, has all seated stadiums. It is mandatory for the top two tiers of the league to be all seater. All seater stadiums are not a panacea for watching football or success on the field. Ask Sunderland fans! The fans sometimes are subjected to getting wet because the roof doesn't cover the seating and post holding the roof obstructs the view and some fans are squashed into corners with little view of the pitch. Villa 42785 Birmingham 29409 Blackburn 31367 Bolton 28723 Brentford 12763 Bristol City 27000 Derby 335897 Hull 25586 Ipswich 30311 Leeds 37890 Middleboro 34742 Millwall 20146 Norwich 27244 Notts Forest 30445 Preston 23404 QPR 18439 Reading 24161 Rotherham 12061 Sheff Utd 32702 Sheff Weds 39732 Stoke 30089 Swansea 21088 West Brom 26850 Wigan 25138 From the above capacities you can clearly see which clubs that usually stay comfortably in the Championship and flit with promotion to the top tier and those that drop back down to level 3. It's interesting that our neighbours over the river even with a new stadium only have a capacity 11th from the bottom of the championship but not likely high enough to be sustainable in the top tier if they got there. In Division 1 there are 16 clubs that have 100% all seater stadiums and 8 do not ranging from 40% to 75% seating, the Mem being one with 50%. AFC Wimbledon 4850 Accrington 5057 Barnsley 23287 Blackpool 16750 Bradford 25136 Bristol Rovers 12300 Burton 6912 Charlton 27111 Coventry 32609 Doncaster R 15231 Fleetwood 5327 Gills 11582 Luton 10356 Oxford 12500 Peterboro 15314 Plymouth 16388 Portsmouth 21100 Rochdale 10000 Scunny 9088 Shrews 9875 Southend 12392 Sunderland 49000 Walsall 11300 Wycombe 10137 From the above capacities you can clearly see which clubs that usually stay comfortably in Division 1 and flit with promotion to the Championship and those that drop back down to level 4. Clearly this shows that the Gas are where traditionally we have usually played our football. Rovers sit 13th from the bottom capacity wise. In Division 2 13 clubs have all seater stadiums, the rest range from 35% to 50%. Bury 11840 Cambridge 8127 Carlisle 17949 Cheltenham 7066 Colchester 10105 Crawley 6134 Crewe 10153 Exeter 6087 Forest GR 4803 Grimsby 9052 Lincoln 10120 Macclesfield 9186 Mansfield 9186 MK Dons 30500 Northhampton 7798 Morecombe 6476 Newport 7850 Notts County 19841 Oldham 13512 Port Vale 19052 Stevenage 6722 Swindon 11547 Tranmere 16587 Yeovil 9562 From the above capacities you can clearly see which clubs that usually stay comfortably in Division 2 and flit with promotion to Division 1 and those that drop back down to level 5. Only 6 teams have a capacity greater than the gas. The point I'm trying to make is that Rovers are roughly in the middle of the football league where their capacity says it should sustainably be located. Having been to well over 120 stadiums watching Rovers over the years I can say first hand that the quality of the Men is roughly in the middle of all those grounds. The two worst that I recall were York and Atringham both of which made Twerton Park look regal. Those that state the Mem is one of the worst stadiums in the football league are IMO either frustrated, deluded or are glory hunters and have only attended those big capacity away big grounds Where on earth are the 6,125 seats in the Mem? There aren't. It's roughly about 3,300 seats.
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