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Post by poorblue on Jul 10, 2018 15:15:15 GMT
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I despair at some of the rubbish quoted on this forum regarding the Mem. Sorry for the detail but it might enlighten a few.
In the Premier Division every club has 100% all seated stadiums. The vast majority have over 30000 capacity, the glaring odd one out being Bournemouth with 11360. The clubs that normally get relegated and then promoted back up a few seasons later almost every time are those with capacity of between 20000 and 30000. In the Championship every club except one, being Brentford, has all seated stadiums. It is mandatory for the top two tiers of the league to be all seater. All seater stadiums are not a panacea for watching football or success on the field. Ask Sunderland fans! The fans sometimes are subjected to getting wet because the roof doesn't cover the seating and post holding the roof obstructs the view and some fans are squashed into corners with little view of the pitch. Villa 42785 Birmingham 29409 Blackburn 31367 Bolton 28723 Brentford 12763 Bristol City 27000 Derby 335897 Hull 25586 Ipswich 30311 Leeds 37890 Middleboro 34742 Millwall 20146 Norwich 27244 Notts Forest 30445 Preston 23404 QPR 18439 Reading 24161 Rotherham 12061 Sheff Utd 32702 Sheff Weds 39732 Stoke 30089 Swansea 21088 West Brom 26850 Wigan 25138 From the above capacities you can clearly see which clubs that usually stay comfortably in the Championship and flit with promotion to the top tier and those that drop back down to level 3. It's interesting that our neighbours over the river even with a new stadium only have a capacity 11th from the bottom of the championship but not likely high enough to be sustainable in the top tier if they got there. In Division 1 there are 16 clubs that have 100% all seater stadiums and 8 do not ranging from 40% to 75% seating, the Mem being one with 50%. AFC Wimbledon 4850 Accrington 5057 Barnsley 23287 Blackpool 16750 Bradford 25136 Bristol Rovers 12300 Burton 6912 Charlton 27111 Coventry 32609 Doncaster R 15231 Fleetwood 5327 Gills 11582 Luton 10356 Oxford 12500 Peterboro 15314 Plymouth 16388 Portsmouth 21100 Rochdale 10000 Scunny 9088 Shrews 9875 Southend 12392 Sunderland 49000 Walsall 11300 Wycombe 10137 From the above capacities you can clearly see which clubs that usually stay comfortably in Division 1 and flit with promotion to the Championship and those that drop back down to level 4. Clearly this shows that the Gas are where traditionally we have usually played our football. Rovers sit 13th from the bottom capacity wise. In Division 2 13 clubs have all seater stadiums, the rest range from 35% to 50%. Bury 11840 Cambridge 8127 Carlisle 17949 Cheltenham 7066 Colchester 10105 Crawley 6134 Crewe 10153 Exeter 6087 Forest GR 4803 Grimsby 9052 Lincoln 10120 Macclesfield 9186 Mansfield 9186 MK Dons 30500 Northhampton 7798 Morecombe 6476 Newport 7850 Notts County 19841 Oldham 13512 Port Vale 19052 Stevenage 6722 Swindon 11547 Tranmere 16587 Yeovil 9562 From the above capacities you can clearly see which clubs that usually stay comfortably in Division 2 and flit with promotion to Division 1 and those that drop back down to level 5. Only 6 teams have a capacity greater than the gas.
The point I'm trying to make is that Rovers are roughly in the middle of the football league where their capacity says it should sustainably be located. Having been to well over 120 stadiums watching Rovers over the years I can say first hand that the quality of the Men is roughly in the middle of all those grounds. The two worst that I recall were York and Atringham both of which made Twerton Park look regal. Those that state the Mem is one of the worst stadiums in the football league are IMO either frustrated, deluded or are glory hunters and have only attended those big capacity away big grounds
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 10, 2018 15:29:36 GMT
What you have overlooked is the capacity seems to be limiting the potential gates, as if we were playing in a stadium with a 18/22,000 capacity our average home gates would probably be pushing 15,000 at the start of this season. For a club of our size/potential we have clearly outgrown the Mem to suggest otherwise is simply nonsense and contradicts what the previous and present owners have suggested.
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Post by LJG on Jul 10, 2018 15:39:57 GMT
What you have overlooked is the capacity seems to be limiting the potential gates, as if we were playing in a stadium with a 18/22,000 capacity our average home gates would probably be pushing 15,000 at the start of this season. For a club of our size/potential we have clearly outgrown the Mem to suggest otherwise is simply nonsense and contradicts what the previous and present owners have suggested. I don't think he is saying that - just that its not as bad as people want to make out.
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Post by poorblue on Jul 10, 2018 16:00:39 GMT
What you have overlooked is the capacity seems to be limiting the potential gates, as if we were playing in a stadium with a 18/22,000 capacity our average home gates would probably be pushing 15,000 at the start of this season. For a club of our size/potential we have clearly outgrown the Mem to suggest otherwise is simply nonsense and contradicts what the previous and present owners have suggested. I don't think he is saying that - just that its not as bad as people want to make out. Hit the button before I had finished. Exactly it's not that bad as a minority state but if we get up to the lofty heights of the Championship clearly as has happened to the Gas before to stay there capacity appears to be a key component. Just look at the recent demise of Yeovil, Burton Crawley etc. How will Bournemouth survive in the long term? Every team in the entire league has hit a blip at some time and been relegated just look at Sunderland. Except the mighty Arsenal. Any bets now Wenger has gone?
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jul 10, 2018 16:45:20 GMT
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I despair at some of the rubbish quoted on this forum regarding the Mem. Sorry for the detail but it might enlighten a few. In the Premier Division every club has 100% all seated stadiums. The vast majority have over 30000 capacity, the glaring odd one out being Bournemouth with 11360. The clubs that normally get relegated and then promoted back up a few seasons later almost every time are those with capacity of between 20000 and 30000. In the Championship every club except one, being Brentford, has all seated stadiums. It is mandatory for the top two tiers of the league to be all seater. All seater stadiums are not a panacea for watching football or success on the field. Ask Sunderland fans! The fans sometimes are subjected to getting wet because the roof doesn't cover the seating and post holding the roof obstructs the view and some fans are squashed into corners with little view of the pitch. Villa 42785 Birmingham 29409 Blackburn 31367 Bolton 28723 Brentford 12763 Bristol City 27000 Derby 335897 Hull 25586 Ipswich 30311 Leeds 37890 Middleboro 34742 Millwall 20146 Norwich 27244 Notts Forest 30445 Preston 23404 QPR 18439 Reading 24161 Rotherham 12061 Sheff Utd 32702 Sheff Weds 39732 Stoke 30089 Swansea 21088 West Brom 26850 Wigan 25138 From the above capacities you can clearly see which clubs that usually stay comfortably in the Championship and flit with promotion to the top tier and those that drop back down to level 3. It's interesting that our neighbours over the river even with a new stadium only have a capacity 11th from the bottom of the championship but not likely high enough to be sustainable in the top tier if they got there. In Division 1 there are 16 clubs that have 100% all seater stadiums and 8 do not ranging from 40% to 75% seating, the Mem being one with 50%. AFC Wimbledon 4850 Accrington 5057 Barnsley 23287 Blackpool 16750 Bradford 25136 Bristol Rovers 12300 Burton 6912 Charlton 27111 Coventry 32609 Doncaster R 15231 Fleetwood 5327 Gills 11582 Luton 10356 Oxford 12500 Peterboro 15314 Plymouth 16388 Portsmouth 21100 Rochdale 10000 Scunny 9088 Shrews 9875 Southend 12392 Sunderland 49000 Walsall 11300 Wycombe 10137 From the above capacities you can clearly see which clubs that usually stay comfortably in Division 1 and flit with promotion to the Championship and those that drop back down to level 4. Clearly this shows that the Gas are where traditionally we have usually played our football. Rovers sit 13th from the bottom capacity wise. In Division 2 13 clubs have all seater stadiums, the rest range from 35% to 50%. Bury 11840 Cambridge 8127 Carlisle 17949 Cheltenham 7066 Colchester 10105 Crawley 6134 Crewe 10153 Exeter 6087 Forest GR 4803 Grimsby 9052 Lincoln 10120 Macclesfield 9186 Mansfield 9186 MK Dons 30500 Northhampton 7798 Morecombe 6476 Newport 7850 Notts County 19841 Oldham 13512 Port Vale 19052 Stevenage 6722 Swindon 11547 Tranmere 16587 Yeovil 9562 From the above capacities you can clearly see which clubs that usually stay comfortably in Division 2 and flit with promotion to Division 1 and those that drop back down to level 5. Only 6 teams have a capacity greater than the gas. The point I'm trying to make is that Rovers are roughly in the middle of the football league where their capacity says it should sustainably be located. Having been to well over 120 stadiums watching Rovers over the years I can say first hand that the quality of the Men is roughly in the middle of all those grounds. The two worst that I recall were York and Atringham both of which made Twerton Park look regal. Those that state the Mem is one of the worst stadiums in the football league are IMO either frustrated, deluded or are glory hunters and have only attended those big capacity away big grounds
In terms of aesthetics, which league grounds are worse than ours in your opinion?
I've been to some absolute shocking 'grounds' around South America recently which make the Mem look like the San Siro, but over here I cant think of many worse, and the ones which are worse are building new stands.
It is what it is, a dilapidated rugby stadium amongst a sea of temporary structures.
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Post by rosssgb on Jul 10, 2018 16:48:26 GMT
Sorry but if you don’t think the facilities at the Mem are ‘that bad’ or that they aren’t incredibly dated you either a) don’t attend home games or b) haven’t been to any modern stadia
Has nothing at all to do with overall capacity which is what the OP seems to fixate over. By that logic the Roman Colosseum is preferable to half of the modern stadiums in the Champoinship
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Post by poorblue on Jul 10, 2018 18:46:51 GMT
Sorry but if you don’t think the facilities at the Mem are ‘that bad’ or that they aren’t incredibly dated you either a) don’t attend home games or b) haven’t been to any modern stadia Has nothing at all to do with overall capacity which is what the OP seems to fixate over. By that logic the Roman Colosseum is preferable to half of the modern stadiums in the Champoinship I suggest you read my post before commentating.
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Post by rosssgb on Jul 10, 2018 18:55:02 GMT
Sorry but if you don’t think the facilities at the Mem are ‘that bad’ or that they aren’t incredibly dated you either a) don’t attend home games or b) haven’t been to any modern stadia Has nothing at all to do with overall capacity which is what the OP seems to fixate over. By that logic the Roman Colosseum is preferable to half of the modern stadiums in the Champoinship I suggest you read my post before commentating. On my phone it’s over 4 scrolls long so no thank you. I got the general gist by the opening paragraph and the first few replies that were a digestable size. Our stadium is water poor. There is no point sugar coating it.
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Post by pirate on Jul 10, 2018 18:58:38 GMT
Having been to well over 120 stadiums watching Rovers over the years I can say first hand that the quality of the Men is roughly in the middle of all those grounds. The two worst that I recall were York and Atringham both of which made Twerton Park look regal. Those that state the Mem is one of the worst stadiums in the football league are IMO either frustrated, deluded or are glory hunters and have only attended those big capacity away big grounds "the quality of the Mem is roughly in the middle of all those grounds" and "Those that state the Mem is one of the worst stadiums in the football league are IMO either frustrated, deluded or are glory hunters and have only attended those big capacity away big grounds" Eh, seriously!? I'd say you are the one who is "deluded" and possibly looking at things through Rovers tinted specs! There is probably only one ground in League One (Accrington) that is worse than ours (even they are building a new stand) and possibly only five or six (arguably less) in League Two that are worse than ours. How anyone could say any different is truly remarkable to me!
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Post by stuart1974 on Jul 10, 2018 19:02:04 GMT
What is a "stadium"? Is it the pitch (good, hopefully this year), the atmosphere (dependent on where in the ground), the match day facilities (😳) the non match day revenue generating potential (room for improvement), the capacity (decent for L1), the imposing architecture (I'll leave that one) or something else?
We have some of those, obvious which ones we don't.
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Post by midlandgas213 on Jul 10, 2018 19:08:15 GMT
Leave the mem alone it's out home and it's a good place to be
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 10, 2018 19:29:45 GMT
Leave the mem alone it's out home and it's a good place to be So have you now bought a season ticket for this next season?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 19:41:47 GMT
Leave the mem alone it's out home and it's a good place to be So have you now bought a season ticket for this next season? Why would he waste his money to watch a team play under a completely clueless, incompetent manager?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 20:39:28 GMT
What makes a stadium? For a fan, well, for this one at least, the most important thing is the atmosphere. The aesthetics are important in installing some pride (City fans are understandably proud of their redeveloped stadium), but the atmosphere is what it's about.
That's why the Mem is so poor (accepting other reasons such as facilities etc) and as a football ground cannot hold a candle to something as ramshackle as Twerton Park, despite a much bigger capacity. You could get 3000 in Twerton and the place rocked...three times that in the Mem it only rarely gets close to that.
Why are we so quiet at home? It's odd when you consider just how good a side we have been at home over the last four years.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 20:55:10 GMT
Leave the mem alone it's out home and it's a good place to be With a very good manager in charge of the team?
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Post by midlandgas213 on Jul 10, 2018 22:33:30 GMT
Leave the mem alone it's out home and it's a good place to be So have you now bought a season ticket for this next season? Not a chance
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Post by midlandgas213 on Jul 10, 2018 22:34:22 GMT
Leave the mem alone it's out home and it's a good place to be With a very good manager in charge of the team? U make I laugh
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Post by poorblue on Jul 10, 2018 22:34:37 GMT
Having been to well over 120 stadiums watching Rovers over the years I can say first hand that the quality of the Men is roughly in the middle of all those grounds. The two worst that I recall were York and Atringham both of which made Twerton Park look regal. Those that state the Mem is one of the worst stadiums in the football league are IMO either frustrated, deluded or are glory hunters and have only attended those big capacity away big grounds "the quality of the Mem is roughly in the middle of all those grounds" and "Those that state the Mem is one of the worst stadiums in the football league are IMO either frustrated, deluded or are glory hunters and have only attended those big capacity away big grounds" Eh, seriously!? I'd say you are the one who is "deluded" and possibly looking at things through Rovers tinted specs! There is probably only one ground in League One (Accrington) that is worse than ours (even they are building a new stand) and possibly only five or six (arguably less) in League Two that are worse than ours. How anyone could say any different is truly remarkable to me! What a crass statement. You clearly have not been to Wimbledon, Fleetwood, Luton, Oxford, Rochdale, Shrewsbury Wycombe in Div 1 then!! Crawley, Exeter, FGR, Macclesfield, Morecombe, Stevenage in Div 2 also all of which do not come close to the Mem IMO. Your entitled to your opinion but IMO your view will only result in you being completely disillusioned with attending whether Rovers win or lose. Is the Mem the best NO is the Mem adequate for the team to progress beyond where we sit NO but it is adequate for where we are or it is to many. Would I like better YES but I have never struggled for a good view of the pitch in the dry, The bar is warm and dry with pub prices (Wetherspoons apart) and that is before the refurb, the new pitch is one of the best in the division with a top half team, why are you so doom and gloom over what you haven't got? I bet you drive a Nissan but slag off its performance as it is not as good as a Bentley you long for.
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Post by midlandgas213 on Jul 10, 2018 22:35:09 GMT
So have you now bought a season ticket for this next season? Why would he waste his money to watch a team play under a completely clueless, incompetent manager? Absolutely correct
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Post by rosssgb on Jul 10, 2018 23:22:08 GMT
Why would he waste his money to watch a team play under a completely clueless, incompetent manager? Absolutely correct Think everyone knows by now that you’re a WUM
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