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Post by BelieveItWhenIAmSatInIt on Jul 24, 2018 15:52:42 GMT
Found this really interesting.. There is a certain amount of educated guess work with regards to fees both given and received , but as a rule of thumb I think it is about right and the results are interesting..
Season 2008/09
Total transfer fees spent = £0
Total transfer fees received = £0
Balance = £0
Season 2009/10
Total transfer fees spent = £0
Total transfer fees received = £1.2M
Balance = +£1.2M
Season 2010/11
Total transfer fees spent = £0
Total transfer fees received = £95k
Balance = +£95k
Season 2011/12
Total transfer fees spent = £75K
Total transfer fees received = £625k
Balance = +£550K
Season 2012/13
Total transfer fees spent = £0
Total transfer fees received = £640k
Balance = +£640k
Season 2013/14
Total transfer fees spent = £250K
Total transfer fees received = £0
Balance = -£250K
Season 2014/15
Total transfer fees spent = £50k
Total transfer fees received = £200k
Balance = +£150k
Season 2015/16
Total transfer fees spent = £200k
Total transfer fees received = £0
Balance = -£200k
Season 2016/17
Total transfer fees spent = £35k
Total transfer fees received = £350k
Balance = +£315k
Season 2017/18
Total transfer fees spent = £500k
Total transfer fees received = £450k
Balance = -£50k
Season 2018/19
Total transfer fees spent = £0
Total transfer fees received = £940k
Balance = +£940k
Final balance on transfer activity over the last ten years = +£3.4M
As I say, there is an element of guess work in some of those workings out where fees were never released, but in almost all cases the fees were pretty much public information, so the guesses will not be too far off the mark but the figures will of course not be exact. Having said that, these figures are close enough to show the trend over the last ten years.
Another interesting stat is that our record transfer fee paid is one of the lowest in the division at £375,000k, a fee of course paid over 25 years ago for one Andy Tilson.
None of this was meant as 'board bashing' and I hope it is not taken as such, but it is clear that we have been reserved (some would say shown a lack of ambition) in the transfer market. The point of all of this is, wouldn't it be great if now we have already received nearly £1m in fees this summer, we went and smashed our transfer record for a real top top proven player? It is something we have never really done before whilst clubs around us do it every season.
Over to you Mr Chairman..
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Post by rocknrollaayatollah on Jul 24, 2018 15:59:44 GMT
This forum's doing my head in (more than usual).
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 24, 2018 16:02:52 GMT
Doesn't take into account signing on fees, wages, bonuses etc.
For example we didn't pick up Bennett or Criag without paying some money yet they would be considered "Free".
Too simplistic to look at transfer fees.
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Post by BelieveItWhenIAmSatInIt on Jul 24, 2018 16:04:39 GMT
Doesn't take into account signing on fees, wages, bonuses etc. For example we didn't pick up Bennett or Criag without paying some money yet they would be considered "Free". Too simplistic to look at transfer fees. Very true, of course. But that is not going to sway that figure too far either way is it. The point is valid. |
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Post by BelieveItWhenIAmSatInIt on Jul 24, 2018 16:06:06 GMT
This forum's doing my head in (more than usual). Why come on then? Does someone have a gun to your head? Not really sure what your issue is anyway? My post was / is not a moan, just something I found interesting. Thanks for your input though. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 24, 2018 16:11:11 GMT
Doesn't take into account signing on fees, wages, bonuses etc. For example we didn't pick up Bennett or Criag without paying some money yet they would be considered "Free". Too simplistic to look at transfer fees. Very true, of course. But that is not going to sway that figure too far either way is it. The point is valid. I dont think is is, no. You can't say look at all this money we have earned via player sales and this is what we've spent aquiring players if you don't actually account for what we've spent aquiring players. |
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Post by nailseagashead on Jul 24, 2018 16:13:40 GMT
Found this really interesting.. There is a certain amount of educated guess work with regards to fees both given and received , but as a rule of thumb I think it is about right and the results are interesting.. Season 2008/09Total transfer fees spent = £0 Total transfer fees received = £0 Balance = £0
Season 2009/10
Total transfer fees spent = £0 Total transfer fees received = £1.2M Balance = +£1.2M Season 2010/11
Total transfer fees spent = £0 Total transfer fees received = £95k Balance = +£95k Season 2011/12Total transfer fees spent = £75K Total transfer fees received = £625k Balance = +£550K Season 2012/13Total transfer fees spent = £0 Total transfer fees received = £640k Balance = +£640k Season 2013/14Total transfer fees spent = £250K Total transfer fees received = £0 Balance = -£250K Season 2014/15Total transfer fees spent = £50k Total transfer fees received = £200k Balance = +£150k Season 2015/16Total transfer fees spent = £200k Total transfer fees received = £0 Balance = -£200k Season 2016/17Total transfer fees spent = £35k Total transfer fees received = £350k Balance = +£315k Season 2017/18Total transfer fees spent = £500k Total transfer fees received = £450k Balance = -£50k Season 2018/19Total transfer fees spent = £0 Total transfer fees received = £940k Balance = +£940k Final balance on transfer activity over the last ten years = +£3.4M
As I say, there is an element of guess work in some of those workings out where fees were never released, but in almost all cases the fees were pretty much public information, so the guesses will not be too far off the mark but the figures will of course not be exact. Having said that, these figures are close enough to show the trend over the last ten years. Another interesting stat is that our record transfer fee paid is one of the lowest in the division at £375,000k, a fee of course paid over 25 years ago for one Andy Tilson. None of this was meant as 'board bashing' and I hope it is not taken as such, but it is clear that we have been reserved (some would say shown a lack of ambition) in the transfer market. The point of all of this is, wouldn't it be great if now we have already received nearly £1m in fees this summer, we went and smashed our transfer record for a real top top proven player? It is something we have never really done before whilst clubs around us do it every season. Over to you Mr Chairman.. Pretty sure the 08/09 season was when we signed Kuffour, Hughes and Duffy for a combined total of roughly £300K? |
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Post by BelieveItWhenIAmSatInIt on Jul 24, 2018 16:25:12 GMT
Found this really interesting.. There is a certain amount of educated guess work with regards to fees both given and received , but as a rule of thumb I think it is about right and the results are interesting.. Season 2008/09Total transfer fees spent = £0 Total transfer fees received = £0 Balance = £0
Season 2009/10
Total transfer fees spent = £0 Total transfer fees received = £1.2M Balance = +£1.2M Season 2010/11
Total transfer fees spent = £0 Total transfer fees received = £95k Balance = +£95k Season 2011/12Total transfer fees spent = £75K Total transfer fees received = £625k Balance = +£550K Season 2012/13Total transfer fees spent = £0 Total transfer fees received = £640k Balance = +£640k Season 2013/14Total transfer fees spent = £250K Total transfer fees received = £0 Balance = -£250K Season 2014/15Total transfer fees spent = £50k Total transfer fees received = £200k Balance = +£150k Season 2015/16Total transfer fees spent = £200k Total transfer fees received = £0 Balance = -£200k Season 2016/17Total transfer fees spent = £35k Total transfer fees received = £350k Balance = +£315k Season 2017/18Total transfer fees spent = £500k Total transfer fees received = £450k Balance = -£50k Season 2018/19Total transfer fees spent = £0 Total transfer fees received = £940k Balance = +£940k Final balance on transfer activity over the last ten years = +£3.4M
As I say, there is an element of guess work in some of those workings out where fees were never released, but in almost all cases the fees were pretty much public information, so the guesses will not be too far off the mark but the figures will of course not be exact. Having said that, these figures are close enough to show the trend over the last ten years. Another interesting stat is that our record transfer fee paid is one of the lowest in the division at £375,000k, a fee of course paid over 25 years ago for one Andy Tilson. None of this was meant as 'board bashing' and I hope it is not taken as such, but it is clear that we have been reserved (some would say shown a lack of ambition) in the transfer market. The point of all of this is, wouldn't it be great if now we have already received nearly £1m in fees this summer, we went and smashed our transfer record for a real top top proven player? It is something we have never really done before whilst clubs around us do it every season. Over to you Mr Chairman.. Pretty sure the 08/09 season was when we signed Kuffour, Hughes and Duffy for a combined total of roughly £300K? No that was the season before I believe. |
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Post by BelieveItWhenIAmSatInIt on Jul 24, 2018 16:29:38 GMT
Very true, of course. But that is not going to sway that figure too far either way is it. The point is valid. I dont think is is, no. You can't say look at all this money we have earned via player sales and this is what we've spent aquiring players if you don't actually account for what we've spent aquiring players. You are right of course, the small amounts paid to pay up the contracts to Bennett and Craig have completely disrupted these figures and made the whole exercise pointless. If you want we can add £1M on to the fees paid to cover anomalies if you like? The balance is still way off. |
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Jul 24, 2018 16:36:48 GMT
Doesn't take into account signing on fees, wages, bonuses etc. For example we didn't pick up Bennett or Criag without paying some money yet they would be considered "Free". Too simplistic to look at transfer fees. Very true, of course. But that is not going to sway that figure too far either way is it. The point is valid.
I still don't know what the point of this thread is.
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Post by BelieveItWhenIAmSatInIt on Jul 24, 2018 16:39:01 GMT
Forget it.
Was just something I found interesting so then spent 20 mins researching and sharing.
Mods please close.
Fucqing hell this place is poisonous!
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 24, 2018 16:41:52 GMT
Found this really interesting.. There is a certain amount of educated guess work with regards to fees both given and received , but as a rule of thumb I think it is about right and the results are interesting.. Season 2008/09Total transfer fees spent = £0 Total transfer fees received = £0 Balance = £0
Season 2009/10
Total transfer fees spent = £0 Total transfer fees received = £1.2M Balance = +£1.2M Season 2010/11
Total transfer fees spent = £0 Total transfer fees received = £95k Balance = +£95k Season 2011/12Total transfer fees spent = £75K Total transfer fees received = £625k Balance = +£550K Season 2012/13Total transfer fees spent = £0 Total transfer fees received = £640k Balance = +£640k Season 2013/14Total transfer fees spent = £250K Total transfer fees received = £0 Balance = -£250K Season 2014/15Total transfer fees spent = £50k Total transfer fees received = £200k Balance = +£150k Season 2015/16Total transfer fees spent = £200k Total transfer fees received = £0 Balance = -£200k Season 2016/17Total transfer fees spent = £35k Total transfer fees received = £350k Balance = +£315k Season 2017/18Total transfer fees spent = £500k Total transfer fees received = £450k Balance = -£50k Season 2018/19Total transfer fees spent = £0 Total transfer fees received = £940k Balance = +£940k Final balance on transfer activity over the last ten years = +£3.4M
As I say, there is an element of guess work in some of those workings out where fees were never released, but in almost all cases the fees were pretty much public information, so the guesses will not be too far off the mark but the figures will of course not be exact. Having said that, these figures are close enough to show the trend over the last ten years. Another interesting stat is that our record transfer fee paid is one of the lowest in the division at £375,000k, a fee of course paid over 25 years ago for one Andy Tilson. None of this was meant as 'board bashing' and I hope it is not taken as such, but it is clear that we have been reserved (some would say shown a lack of ambition) in the transfer market. The point of all of this is, wouldn't it be great if now we have already received nearly £1m in fees this summer, we went and smashed our transfer record for a real top top proven player? It is something we have never really done before whilst clubs around us do it every season. Over to you Mr Chairman.. How have we got nearly a million this summer when we only seem to have sold Harrison and he appears to have gone for £750m plus add ons in the future? I guess the big question is did DC know he was off, so that allowed him to beat Burton for Rodman, plus bring in Upson, Matthews and the new LB, or is his fee a bonus Doidge or Cole are the targets for me if DC's got decent money to spend |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Jul 24, 2018 16:42:41 GMT
Forget it. Was just something I found interesting so then spent 20 mins researching and sharing. Mods please close. Fucqing hell this place is poisonous! I think perhaps you may have unintentionally been contributing to the toxins actually. This is always a volatile period for the forum. Always. Every year. Perhaps we didn't need to hear another concerned voice suggesting the club need to do more? There's plenty out there already. Anyways let's hope for some good signings. Illbelieveitwhenwesignthem. |
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Post by BelieveItWhenIAmSatInIt on Jul 24, 2018 16:42:59 GMT
Found this really interesting.. There is a certain amount of educated guess work with regards to fees both given and received , but as a rule of thumb I think it is about right and the results are interesting.. Season 2008/09Total transfer fees spent = £0 Total transfer fees received = £0 Balance = £0
Season 2009/10
Total transfer fees spent = £0 Total transfer fees received = £1.2M Balance = +£1.2M Season 2010/11
Total transfer fees spent = £0 Total transfer fees received = £95k Balance = +£95k Season 2011/12Total transfer fees spent = £75K Total transfer fees received = £625k Balance = +£550K Season 2012/13Total transfer fees spent = £0 Total transfer fees received = £640k Balance = +£640k Season 2013/14Total transfer fees spent = £250K Total transfer fees received = £0 Balance = -£250K Season 2014/15Total transfer fees spent = £50k Total transfer fees received = £200k Balance = +£150k Season 2015/16Total transfer fees spent = £200k Total transfer fees received = £0 Balance = -£200k Season 2016/17Total transfer fees spent = £35k Total transfer fees received = £350k Balance = +£315k Season 2017/18Total transfer fees spent = £500k Total transfer fees received = £450k Balance = -£50k Season 2018/19Total transfer fees spent = £0 Total transfer fees received = £940k Balance = +£940k Final balance on transfer activity over the last ten years = +£3.4M
As I say, there is an element of guess work in some of those workings out where fees were never released, but in almost all cases the fees were pretty much public information, so the guesses will not be too far off the mark but the figures will of course not be exact. Having said that, these figures are close enough to show the trend over the last ten years. Another interesting stat is that our record transfer fee paid is one of the lowest in the division at £375,000k, a fee of course paid over 25 years ago for one Andy Tilson. None of this was meant as 'board bashing' and I hope it is not taken as such, but it is clear that we have been reserved (some would say shown a lack of ambition) in the transfer market. The point of all of this is, wouldn't it be great if now we have already received nearly £1m in fees this summer, we went and smashed our transfer record for a real top top proven player? It is something we have never really done before whilst clubs around us do it every season. Over to you Mr Chairman.. How have we got nearly a million this summer when we only seem to have sold Harrison and he appears to have gone for £750m plus add ons in the future? I guess the big question is did DC know he was off, so that allowed him to beat Burton for Rodman, plus bring in Upson, Matthews and the new LB, or is his fee a bonus Doidge or Cole are the targets for me if DC's got decent money to spend Gaffers. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 24, 2018 16:44:46 GMT
I dont think is is, no. You can't say look at all this money we have earned via player sales and this is what we've spent aquiring players if you don't actually account for what we've spent aquiring players. You are right of course, the small amounts paid to pay up the contracts to Bennett and Craig have completely disrupted these figures and made the whole exercise pointless. If you want we can add £1M on to the fees paid to cover anomalies if you like? The balance is still way off. Lol. Ok. Don't get me wrong, it's interesting to look at but I think there are lots of ways of interperating your figures. I'm not disputing the raw data. I suppose a different way of looking at it (and I am possibly wrong) is that by getting in free/out of contract players are we able to get in better players because we can spend the transfer fee on wages instead? Take Bennett as an example, let's say for arguments sake we offer to pay £250k but his wage demands are too high so we miss out. Or we get him for free but pay his wages out of the £250k we saved. Now we have a quality player that we haven't paid a transfer fee for, but we have still had the same outlay. That's the point I was trying to make. If 3.4M has disappeared into a black hole then you raise a good point. I don't know if you are right and the money has disappeared or if I'm right and we've just found a more creative way to spend the same money. The Tilson fee you mention is still a shocking stat though. Especially in these days of crazy prices for players it is staggering that he is still our record signing. |
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Post by BelieveItWhenIAmSatInIt on Jul 24, 2018 16:45:08 GMT
Forget it. Was just something I found interesting so then spent 20 mins researching and sharing. Mods please close. Fucqing hell this place is poisonous! I think perhaps you may have unintentionally been contributing to the toxins actually. This is always a volatile period for the forum. Always. Every year. Perhaps we didn't need to hear another concerned voice suggesting the club need to do more? There's plenty out there already. Anyways let's hope for some good signings. Illbelieveitwhenwesignthem. Well then the entire point of my post has been missed. I did state quite clearly I was not board bashing. BUT, what I did say (and stand by) is that now is the time for a healthy investment in the squad. To clarify, I have no issue with anything the new board have done in their short time here to date. |
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Post by axegas on Jul 24, 2018 16:46:15 GMT
Forget it. Was just something I found interesting so then spent 20 mins researching and sharing. Mods please close. Fucqing hell this place is poisonous! I thought it was interesting to see a rough estimate of our transfer activity, ignore them. You can clearly see we are a selling club, as are most of the clubs at our level but it was disappointing to get so little for Bodin, Taylor and Harrison. It’s getting harder and harder to keep a record of clubs transfer activity with all the undisclosed fees that are bandied about these days. No-one seems to know what we paid for Holmes-Dennis. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 24, 2018 16:48:37 GMT
Forget it. Was just something I found interesting so then spent 20 mins researching and sharing. Mods please close. Fucqing hell this place is poisonous! Don't take the knock mate, it's a decent thread with stuff worth talking about and debating!! It's a hell of a lot better than 90% of all the other sh**e on the front page!! |
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Post by cj on Jul 24, 2018 16:50:04 GMT
Forget it. Was just something I found interesting so then spent 20 mins researching and sharing. Mods please close. Fucqing hell this place is poisonous! Watch your language. Children read these threads.
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Post by BelieveItWhenIAmSatInIt on Jul 24, 2018 16:51:20 GMT
You are right of course, the small amounts paid to pay up the contracts to Bennett and Craig have completely disrupted these figures and made the whole exercise pointless. If you want we can add £1M on to the fees paid to cover anomalies if you like? The balance is still way off. Lol. Ok. Don't get me wrong, it's interesting to look at but I think there are lots of ways of interperating your figures. I'm not disputing the raw data. I suppose a different way of looking at it (and I am possibly wrong) is that by getting in free/out of contract players are we able to get in better players because we can spend the transfer fee on wages instead? Take Bennett as an example, let's say for arguments sake we offer to pay £250k but his wage demands are too high so we miss out. Or we get him for free but pay his wages out of the £250k we saved. Now we have a quality player that we haven't paid a transfer fee for, but we have still had the same outlay. That's the point I was trying to make. If 3.4M has disappeared into a black hole then you raise a good point. I don't know if you are right and the money has disappeared or if I'm right and we've just found a more creative way to spend the same money. The Tilson fee you mention is still a shocking stat though. Especially in these days of crazy prices for players it is staggering that he is still our record signing. I don't think it has disappeared into a black hole per say, I think it was just sucked up in losses that occurred because of really poor running of the football club for a long time. Thankfully I think those days are gone. The Tilson fee indeed is the perhaps more staggering stat.. I know Burton have recently had a spell in the Championship, but they are a tiny club and their record fee is far more than ours at £500k! The point I was getting at really was that if ever there was a time to invest some of the money we have recouped of late back into the playing team then it absolutely must be now? |
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