Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2019 17:11:13 GMT
As always Stuart, thank you. That will be followed by deafening silence. Or denial. Precisely Hugo. Let's be honest, these guys are just embarrasing. God help us if any of them are in any position of responsibility. Evidenced based decisions would clearly be an anathema to them.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2019 18:14:01 GMT
The 60% figure was given out by the Attorney General weeks ago in the HoC during the debate on the MV. If anyone has a problem with that figure I suggest that he is the man who should know, and not some professor in a Uni.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2019 18:17:25 GMT
I'm getting a few "Post Hidden" items appearing which I presume is Oldie quoting me. Bit of a wasted effort as I took the decision to block him - inspired by the likes of Troy Deeney in filtering trolling, bigoted and offensive comments. Very therapeutic 👍 the only problem with blocking people is you remove your ability to respond ,oh and the threads look odd But the bloke shouts at pigeons, and I haven't any feathers or wings! Best to ignore him.
|
|
|
Post by Hugo the Elder on Apr 9, 2019 18:20:13 GMT
The 60% figure was given out by the Attorney General weeks ago in the HoC during the debate on the MV. If anyone has a problem with that figure I suggest that he is the man who should know, and not some professor in a Uni. I'm honestly not sure who of the 2 would be more unreliable!!
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2019 18:28:03 GMT
The 60% figure was given out by the Attorney General weeks ago in the HoC during the debate on the MV. If anyone has a problem with that figure I suggest that he is the man who should know, and not some professor in a Uni. I'm honestly not sure who of the 2 would be more unreliable!! I quite like the current AG, particularly his comment, "I have been a Barrister for 36 years and a Senior politician for seven months. I value my reputation as a Barrister far more than my reputation as a politician". This was said at the time his legal advice about the WA was not what May wanted to hear.
|
|
|
Post by Hugo the Elder on Apr 9, 2019 18:36:18 GMT
I'm honestly not sure who of the 2 would be more unreliable!! I quite like the current AG, particularly his comment, "I have been a Barrister for 36 years and a Senior politician for seven months. I value my reputation as a Barrister far more than my reputation as a politician". This was said at the time his legal advice about the WA was not what May wanted to hear. A lawyer and a politician? I'll take the lecturer then.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2019 18:37:04 GMT
the only problem with blocking people is you remove your ability to respond ,oh and the threads look odd But the bloke shouts at pigeons, and I haven't any feathers or wings! Best to ignore him. Christ! Is this honesty day? Nobby now confessing he has the brain of a pigeon? But seriously, its pathetic isn't it. Still no mention of the laws that have caused so much offense. Just more diversion onto the views of a politician in a Parliament this bloke, Nobby, spends 8 hours of the day decrying? Ffs.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2019 18:44:30 GMT
I quite like the current AG, particularly his comment, "I have been a Barrister for 36 years and a Senior politician for seven months. I value my reputation as a Barrister far more than my reputation as a politician". This was said at the time his legal advice about the WA was not what May wanted to hear. A lawyer and a politician? I'll take the lecturer then. You know what they say......those who can't, teach.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2019 18:57:50 GMT
I quite like the current AG, particularly his comment, "I have been a Barrister for 36 years and a Senior politician for seven months. I value my reputation as a Barrister far more than my reputation as a politician". This was said at the time his legal advice about the WA was not what May wanted to hear. A lawyer and a politician? I'll take the lecturer then. What odds him being a Remainer?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2019 19:02:19 GMT
As always Stuart, thank you. That will be followed by deafening silence. Or denial. A Remainer will naturally be drawn to the Professors figures, a Leaver will probably take more notice of what the AG had to say. Either way it changes nothing, if it's somewhere in between the two figures it's too much IMO, in fact anything above 0% is too much although I have come to understand that in some eyes everything the EU does is brilliant and there are no negatives to being a member.
|
|
stuart1974
Proper Gas
Posts: 11,632
Member is Online
|
Post by stuart1974 on Apr 9, 2019 19:09:45 GMT
Why are people getting so defensive? The article confirms the 60%, only it tries to put some analysis on how it was attained.
It isn't a case of believing one over another.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2019 19:13:18 GMT
Why are people getting so defensive? The article confirms the 60%, only it tries to put some analysis on how it was attained. It isn't a case of believing one over another. Ha ha. Guess...
|
|
stuart1974
Proper Gas
Posts: 11,632
Member is Online
|
Post by stuart1974 on Apr 9, 2019 19:13:25 GMT
A Remainer will naturally be drawn to the Professors figures, a Leaver will probably take more notice of what the AG had to say. Either way it changes nothing, if it's somewhere in between the two figures it's too much IMO, in fact anything above 0% is too much although I have come to understand that in some eyes everything the EU does is brilliant and there are no negatives to being a member. Did anyone actually say it was faultless? All I have seen is people making a case that it is better to remain than leave. Which of the laws have affected you? Jaggas was able to name one.
|
|
stuart1974
Proper Gas
Posts: 11,632
Member is Online
|
Post by stuart1974 on Apr 9, 2019 19:18:57 GMT
Anyway, it looks at the moment that we are looking at an extension possibly up to December with a break clause (WA or revocation as named im the leaked draft text).
After December they see that May will be ousted in the next vote of no confidence so the feeling is that there is no point going longer.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2019 19:28:45 GMT
A Remainer will naturally be drawn to the Professors figures, a Leaver will probably take more notice of what the AG had to say. Either way it changes nothing, if it's somewhere in between the two figures it's too much IMO, in fact anything above 0% is too much although I have come to understand that in some eyes everything the EU does is brilliant and there are no negatives to being a member. Did anyone actually say it was faultless? All I have seen is people making a case that it is better to remain than leave. Which of the laws have affected you? Jaggas was able to name one. Why would I need to personally be affected not to like a law. If the EU directed all member states to adopt the death penalty I won't be personally affected as I'm not a criminal but am I entitled to an opinion not to approve? As I have said before I want the UK to have complete autonomy on laws and regulations and not have outside interference. It's that principle and not a specific law introduction which influences my decision on wanting to leave, along with other factors of course. jaggas won't be able to name anymore for a while after his conviction of a hate crime without trial - I wonder if he's exploring whether his human rights have been denied? I'm not convinced he'll qualify for legal aid so perhaps not.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2019 19:39:41 GMT
Did anyone actually say it was faultless? All I have seen is people making a case that it is better to remain than leave. Which of the laws have affected you? Jaggas was able to name one. Why would I need to personally be affected not to like a law. If the EU directed all member states to adopt the death penalty I won't be personally affected as I'm not a criminal but am I entitled to an opinion not to approve? As I have said before I want the UK to have complete autonomy on laws and regulations and not have outside interference. It's that principle and not a specific law introduction which influences my decision on wanting to leave, along with other factors of course. jaggas won't be able to name anymore for a while after his conviction of a hate crime without trial - I wonder if he's exploring whether his human rights have been denied? I'm not convinced he'll qualify for legal aid so perhaps not. I love this one. So what happens when we enter into treaties (if we ever do) after the EU? Who adjudicates disputes? Hint. This is the primary function of the ECJ.
|
|
stuart1974
Proper Gas
Posts: 11,632
Member is Online
|
Post by stuart1974 on Apr 9, 2019 19:46:11 GMT
Did anyone actually say it was faultless? All I have seen is people making a case that it is better to remain than leave. Which of the laws have affected you? Jaggas was able to name one. Why would I need to personally be affected not to like a law. If the EU directed all member states to adopt the death penalty I won't be personally affected as I'm not a criminal but am I entitled to an opinion not to approve? As I have said before I want the UK to have complete autonomy on laws and regulations and not have outside interference. It's that principle and not a specific law introduction which influences my decision on wanting to leave, along with other factors of course. jaggas won't be able to name anymore for a while after his conviction of a hate crime without trial - I wonder if he's exploring whether his human rights have been denied? I'm not convinced he'll qualify for legal aid so perhaps not. Okay, to rephrase it, which laws don't you like as many of them are technical changes to EU wide regulations. I understand the principle aspect but am unsure which ones you think have been detrimental to us. Death penalty? Really? And in this closer globalisation period we are in, making our own rules is likely to be no better outside. Just look at NATO, the UN, G7, even WTO.
|
|
|
Post by Hugo the Elder on Apr 9, 2019 19:49:26 GMT
Well, that's enough for me, I'm out.
Good luck everyone, no hard feelings.
|
|
|
Post by inee on Apr 9, 2019 19:58:53 GMT
Maybe he's just standing by his beliefs even though he will lose money. The Sunday Times made exactly this point recently, inee. I guess if you spend 25 years working in the City, balance sheets are all you see. Anyone who`s prepared to balance his income with other factors, is derided as a lunatic.
It's good to see in times of greed and materialism that some still stand strong ,always amuses me when people take the pish out of others who end up worse off but stick to their beliefs ,money is not the bee all and end all
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2019 20:16:47 GMT
Why would I need to personally be affected not to like a law. If the EU directed all member states to adopt the death penalty I won't be personally affected as I'm not a criminal but am I entitled to an opinion not to approve? As I have said before I want the UK to have complete autonomy on laws and regulations and not have outside interference. It's that principle and not a specific law introduction which influences my decision on wanting to leave, along with other factors of course. jaggas won't be able to name anymore for a while after his conviction of a hate crime without trial - I wonder if he's exploring whether his human rights have been denied? I'm not convinced he'll qualify for legal aid so perhaps not. Okay, to rephrase it, which laws don't you like as many of them are technical changes to EU wide regulations. I understand the principle aspect but am unsure which ones you think have been detrimental to us. Death penalty? Really? And in this closer globalisation period we are in, making our own rules is likely to be no better outside. Just look at NATO, the UN, G7, even WTO. Again, looking forward to the response to that.
|
|