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Post by peterparker on Apr 9, 2019 20:59:32 GMT
Did anyone actually say it was faultless? All I have seen is people making a case that it is better to remain than leave. Which of the laws have affected you? Jaggas was able to name one. Why would I need to personally be affected not to like a law. If the EU directed all member states to adopt the death penalty I won't be personally affected as I'm not a criminal but am I entitled to an opinion not to approve? As I have said before I want the UK to have complete autonomy on laws and regulations and not have outside interference. It's that principle and not a specific law introduction which influences my decision on wanting to leave, along with other factors of course. jaggas won't be able to name anymore for a while after his conviction of a hate crime without trial - I wonder if he's exploring whether his human rights have been denied? I'm not convinced he'll qualify for legal aid so perhaps not. And again a lot of UK regulations are made by the UK and are of a better and higher standard than the EU. The EU sets a minimum standard
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 4:08:31 GMT
Why would I need to personally be affected not to like a law. If the EU directed all member states to adopt the death penalty I won't be personally affected as I'm not a criminal but am I entitled to an opinion not to approve? As I have said before I want the UK to have complete autonomy on laws and regulations and not have outside interference. It's that principle and not a specific law introduction which influences my decision on wanting to leave, along with other factors of course. jaggas won't be able to name anymore for a while after his conviction of a hate crime without trial - I wonder if he's exploring whether his human rights have been denied? I'm not convinced he'll qualify for legal aid so perhaps not. And again a lot of UK regulations are made by the UK and are of a better and higher standard than the EU. The EU sets a minimum standard I agree with that. It seems as though there is this opinion that anything originating from the EU is better than the UK can ever come up with in regards to standards etc. Historically the UK has been a leading light in Europe concerning things like Workers Rights, Equality etc. There is no need to stick to the EU levels for everything. We can be better than that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 5:08:04 GMT
And again a lot of UK regulations are made by the UK and are of a better and higher standard than the EU. The EU sets a minimum standard I agree with that. It seems as though there is this opinion that anything originating from the EU is better than the UK can ever come up with in regards to standards etc. Historically the UK has been a leading light in Europe concerning things like Workers Rights, Equality etc. There is no need to stick to the EU levels for everything. We can be better than that. Phew That's that sorted then. The EU does not impose laws upon us, ours are better and more strict. We can put that one to bed then. As we were also told its "not just about the economics", I guess remain is the logical conclusion? Just a thought
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Apr 10, 2019 7:06:43 GMT
Well, that's enough for me, I'm out. Good luck everyone, no hard feelings. Me too mate. When you break it down the emperor has no clothes and hes just a populist soundbite on repeat with no substance behind it whatsoever. Came here as a remainer, leaving as even more of a remainer. Probably says something. See you at the referendum guys
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Post by peterparker on Apr 10, 2019 7:08:54 GMT
Please sir, can I have another vote
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Post by peterparker on Apr 10, 2019 7:09:31 GMT
Well, that's enough for me, I'm out. Good luck everyone, no hard feelings. Me too mate. When you break it down the emperor has no clothes and hes just a populist soundbite on repeat with no substance behind it whatsoever. Came here as a remainer, leaving as even more of a remainer. Probably says something. See you at the referendum guys we have the Euros first
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 7:34:31 GMT
Well, that's enough for me, I'm out. Good luck everyone, no hard feelings. Me too mate. When you break it down the emperor has no clothes and hes just a populist soundbite on repeat with no substance behind it whatsoever. Came here as a remainer, leaving as even more of a remainer. Probably says something. See you at the referendum guys Don't go! I'm still waiting to hear about the benefits of the European Federal Superstate !
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 7:37:06 GMT
Me too mate. When you break it down the emperor has no clothes and hes just a populist soundbite on repeat with no substance behind it whatsoever. Came here as a remainer, leaving as even more of a remainer. Probably says something. See you at the referendum guys Don't go! I'm still waiting to hear about the benefits of the European Federal Superstate ! These straw men are becoming a virtual forest.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 7:38:51 GMT
Well, that's enough for me, I'm out. Good luck everyone, no hard feelings. Me too mate. When you break it down the emperor has no clothes and hes just a populist soundbite on repeat with no substance behind it whatsoever. Came here as a remainer, leaving as even more of a remainer. Probably says something. See you at the referendum guys Time out for me as well. The points have been made without repudiation. As you say, they are full of populist soundbites.
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 10, 2019 8:19:30 GMT
Thanks for your contribution guys, much appreciated.
I've already spent too much time here so although I'm bound to come back sooner rather than later, a short break would be wise.
See you at the Euro elections.
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Post by peterparker on Apr 10, 2019 8:23:53 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 10:00:54 GMT
Now we have the British PM begging for some crumbs from the EU table. The EU are now totally in control of Brexit, they are the ones pulling all the strings. The irony is, this is one of the reasons for voting Leave, to escape the clutches of the EU.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 10:03:39 GMT
This was his pathetic attempt at Reform before the Referendum wasn't it? Interesting to see how this document explains how the UK had attempted to get permission from the EU for various things. Once again, here is one of the reasons people voted for Brexit. They were fed-up of Brussels being in control.
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Post by inee on Apr 10, 2019 11:41:21 GMT
Now we have the British PM begging for some crumbs from the EU table. The EU are now totally in control of Brexit, they are the ones pulling all the strings. The irony is, this is one of the reasons for voting Leave, to escape the clutches of the EU. Like i said at the either beginning of this thread or another we held all the card gong into this and if the pm backed down we would have absolutely no power and would end up being told what to do. Personal i think may has got what she wants in the long run, as a remainer she was wilsoned into the job and lets face it she could have been the best pm in the history of man(she isn't) but would forever be known as the evil-one who gave us brexit .time will blot out the part cameron had to play hence why he did a wilson, i think shes paying a blinder as a remainer you know bumble along stir up controversy playing one side against the other preparing bad deals to ensure it never happens, and play a turd in terms of her ability to listen and respond to the original vote. I think when she releases he autobiography about her time as pm she will say oh how i f**ked the leavers over.
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Post by baggins on Apr 10, 2019 12:01:27 GMT
Now we have the British PM begging for some crumbs from the EU table. The EU are now totally in control of Brexit, they are the ones pulling all the strings. The irony is, this is one of the reasons for voting Leave, to escape the clutches of the EU. Couldn't see that coming.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 18:18:29 GMT
Well, that's enough for me, I'm out. Good luck everyone, no hard feelings. Me too mate. When you break it down the emperor has no clothes and hes just a populist soundbite on repeat with no substance behind it whatsoever. Came here as a remainer, leaving as even more of a remainer. Probably says something. See you at the referendum guys Interesting. I came here a Leaver and I'm now even more a Leaver. I won't be bullied or blackmailed into voting remain in any further referendum purely because brexit has been sabotaged and screwed up by incompetent politicians. If we can only ever leave by relying upon the EU to grant us a great deal we are effectively tying ourselves to them forever.
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Post by peterparker on Apr 11, 2019 5:37:25 GMT
31st October then (if not before, or at all)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 5:52:43 GMT
31st October then (if not before, or at all) Nothing will change until either May goes, or they agree to the absurd idea of a Custom's Union. The EU and the Local elections may concentrate a few minds though.
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Post by peterparker on Apr 11, 2019 6:51:30 GMT
this brightned the morning somewhat
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 7:57:33 GMT
this brightned the morning somewhat If neither a desirable or deliverable brexit is achievable and we remain that is a democratic disaster for this country. What we are effectively doing is enabling the EU to make an exit as difficult as possible achieving their aim of retaining one of its biggest cash contributors - we are effectively being held to ransom unless we show the balls to leave with a so called "hard brexit".
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