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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 10:07:15 GMT
So there is a big part of me that understands Boris and most politicians are puppets really. What I cant understand is how they manage to seemingly completely avoid any talent whatsoever when recruiting their advisors. Cummings and Milne must be the worst strategists in UK politics I can remember. Still, I'm sure we will hear from some that being ruled unlawful was all part of the master plan... That last line had me laughing out loud.
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Post by peterparker on Sept 24, 2019 11:09:20 GMT
even the BREXIT Party wading in on Boris
Richard Tice, chairman of the Brexit Party, tells the BBC that today's decision is "seismic, historic" but MPs must think about what happens next.
"As soon as Parliament is recalled tomorrow, Boris Johnson is probably going to have to offer his resignation," he says.
"There may well be a vote of no confidence."
He says the public must now realise that "we're not leaving the EU on 31 October".
"There will have to be an extension. When that penny drops, people are going to be increasingly angry across the country," he says.
Mr Tice says there will probably have to be an election in the first half of November.
"What does it say about the so-called master strategist Dominic Cummings? I trust he will be offering his resignation today."
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Post by axegas on Sept 24, 2019 14:47:33 GMT
The way I see it, this is a big news headline but it doesn't actually mean an awful lot.
The opposition parties managed to rush through most of the legislation before the prorogation took effect and gained the upper hand in the commons. Parliament now gets an extra 3 weeks to sit before the deadline but will anything get done in that time apart from name calling and yet more waffle? Probably not.
Boris took a massive misstep in strategy and doesn't come out of it well, however I think it really only served to alienate people who didn't like him in the first place. As long as he commands a decent electoral position and the opposition remains split amongst Labour and the Lib Dems, he will cling on to power and keep preaching Brexit.
The real question is what will happen come the 31st of October and despite seemingly "game changing" events taking place every week, Britain remains as divided as ever and we still aren't any closer to knowing what will happen.
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Post by trevorgas on Sept 24, 2019 15:02:21 GMT
Unanimous decision, up to Speakers of both Houses what to do next. The summary was pretty damming. History in the making. Boris will bumble on, not answering questions about taking lady friends on official business. Our democracy stands up. Dont think we live in a democracy when less than 40% elect the Government.
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 24, 2019 15:07:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 15:26:16 GMT
Lots of Leaver heads should roll, but most of all Johnson. He lied.
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 24, 2019 16:01:20 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 16:30:37 GMT
There has to be another recess for the Tory Conference. I don't think the ruling changes much. The screechers are calling for him to resign, yet they turned down the chance for a GE. I think the remainers are in for a bit of a shock at the next GE because the public are fed up to the back teeth with the games being played.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 16:37:40 GMT
There has to be another recess for the Tory Conference. I don't think the ruling changes much. The screechers are calling for him to resign, yet they turned down the chance for a GE. I think the remainers are in for a bit of a shock at the next GE because the public are fed up to the back teeth with the games being played. Games? The Supreme Court is not a game. The Government lied. But actually I agree with you, I do think the general population are heartily fed up with the lies of the Leave campaign and the total inability of its leaders to organise a water up in a brewery. This is a total shambles.
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Post by baggins on Sept 24, 2019 16:46:53 GMT
There has to be another recess for the Tory Conference. I don't think the ruling changes much. The screechers are calling for him to resign, yet they turned down the chance for a GE. I think the remainers are in for a bit of a shock at the next GE because the public are fed up to the back teeth with the games being played. Think most are fed up with Tories and the crap they've caused.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 18:56:05 GMT
There has to be another recess for the Tory Conference. I don't think the ruling changes much. The screechers are calling for him to resign, yet they turned down the chance for a GE. I think the remainers are in for a bit of a shock at the next GE because the public are fed up to the back teeth with the games being played. Think most are fed up with Tories and the crap they've caused. If the opposition thought that way they wouldn’t bottle a GE.
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Post by baggins on Sept 24, 2019 19:20:39 GMT
Think most are fed up with Tories and the crap they've caused. If the opposition thought that way they wouldn’t bottle a GE. It's a mess. Caused by the Tories. Everyone is sick of them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 19:44:05 GMT
If the opposition thought that way they wouldn’t bottle a GE. It's a mess. Caused by the Tories. Everyone is sick of them. The 52% are sick of MP’s who choose to ignore the referendum result and will try any tactic to disrupt, derail and delay our leaving the EU. The stock of MP’s has never been lower, whether that be a number of Tories such as May who have been weak and made a complete hash of things, Corbyn’s communist party or The Lib Dem’s who want to just sh** on the people and pretend we never voted to leave.
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Post by baggins on Sept 24, 2019 19:58:48 GMT
It's a mess. Caused by the Tories. Everyone is sick of them. The 52% are sick of MP’s who choose to ignore the referendum result and will try any tactic to disrupt, derail and delay our leaving the EU. The stock of MP’s has never been lower, whether that be a number of Tories such as May who have been weak and made a complete hash of things, Corbyn’s communist party or The Lib Dem’s who want to just sh** on the people and pretend we never voted to leave. Well good luck with your leave promises.
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Post by peterparker on Sept 25, 2019 6:03:14 GMT
It's a mess. Caused by the Tories. Everyone is sick of them. The 52% are sick of MP’s who choose to ignore the referendum result and will try any tactic to disrupt, derail and delay our leaving the EU. The stock of MP’s has never been lower, whether that be a number of Tories such as May who have been weak and made a complete hash of things, Corbyn’s communist party or The Lib Dem’s who want to just sh** on the people and pretend we never voted to leave. The Lib Dems have always been pro remain and there were like 9 of them in parliment. They arent or shouldnt have been a problem. They will stand on a stop Brexit platform at the next GE. If they win. Thats democracy isnt it? Whether we should have left by now is one question, but democracy is democracy. If people fail to take part...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2019 6:43:51 GMT
The 52% are sick of MP’s who choose to ignore the referendum result and will try any tactic to disrupt, derail and delay our leaving the EU. The stock of MP’s has never been lower, whether that be a number of Tories such as May who have been weak and made a complete hash of things, Corbyn’s communist party or The Lib Dem’s who want to just sh** on the people and pretend we never voted to leave. The Lib Dems have always been pro remain and there were like 9 of them in parliment. They arent or shouldnt have been a problem. They will stand on a stop Brexit platform at the next GE. If they win. Thats democracy isnt it? Whether we should have left by now is one question, but democracy is democracy. If people fail to take part... It's a circular argument Simon. What is contradictory is that leavers made a lot of noise about the Sovereignty of our Parliament and the desire for all our legislation to be the result of the passing of Acts in that Parliament. Now, when they are doing exactly that, they are complaining. It appears, like all dictatorships that have an origin in base populism, they only want to adhere to laws they agree with, which is not how a representative democracy works. We have had two elections since the referendum, 2017 when the leading mainstream Brexit leaning party lost its majority in the HoC, the Euros where on a relatively low turnout the hyper single issue Brexit Party, despite winning the most number of seats did not command a majority of the total turnout. There is therefore no mandate for anything in reality. This will only be resolved by a General Election, AFTER OCT 31ST, where all the parties can argue out policy and offer their solution to Brexit. The Tories will either eat themselves and or / form an alliance Farage's Brexit Loonies, Labour will disappear up Corbyn's ass of lack of leadership, which leaves the Lib Dems. So far the only party that recognises that there is no deal better than the one we have, and standing on a platform of Revoke therefore. It's a risky strategy, but at least it's clear and forthright.
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Post by trevorgas on Sept 25, 2019 7:18:27 GMT
The Lib Dems have always been pro remain and there were like 9 of them in parliment. They arent or shouldnt have been a problem. They will stand on a stop Brexit platform at the next GE. If they win. Thats democracy isnt it? Whether we should have left by now is one question, but democracy is democracy. If people fail to take part... It's a circular argument Simon. What is contradictory is that leavers made a lot of noise about the Sovereignty of our Parliament and the desire for all our legislation to be the result of the passing of Acts in that Parliament. Now, when they are doing exactly that, they are complaining. It appears, like all dictatorships that have an origin in base populism, they only want to adhere to laws they agree with, which is not how a representative democracy works. We have had two elections since the referendum, 2017 when the leading mainstream Brexit leaning party lost its majority in the HoC, the Euros where on a relatively low turnout the hyper single issue Brexit Party, despite winning the most number of seats did not command a majority of the total turnout. There is therefore no mandate for anything in reality. This will only be resolved by a General Election, AFTER OCT 31ST, where all the parties can argue out policy and offer their solution to Brexit. The Tories will either eat themselves and or / form an alliance Farage's Brexit Loonies, Labour will disappear up Corbyn's ass of lack of leadership, which leaves the Lib Dems. So far the only party that recognises that there is no deal better than the one we have, and standing on a platform of Revoke therefore. It's a risky strategy, but at least it's clear and forthright. I'm not sure that's correct Parliament are the servant's of the People not the other way round and they have done everything to ensure that they thwart the outcome of the referendum,that is not about Sovereignty. Why all the support of the Lib Dems the joint architects and supporters of Austerity,folk have short memories.
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Post by peterparker on Sept 25, 2019 7:29:22 GMT
It's a circular argument Simon. What is contradictory is that leavers made a lot of noise about the Sovereignty of our Parliament and the desire for all our legislation to be the result of the passing of Acts in that Parliament. Now, when they are doing exactly that, they are complaining. It appears, like all dictatorships that have an origin in base populism, they only want to adhere to laws they agree with, which is not how a representative democracy works. We have had two elections since the referendum, 2017 when the leading mainstream Brexit leaning party lost its majority in the HoC, the Euros where on a relatively low turnout the hyper single issue Brexit Party, despite winning the most number of seats did not command a majority of the total turnout. There is therefore no mandate for anything in reality. This will only be resolved by a General Election, AFTER OCT 31ST, where all the parties can argue out policy and offer their solution to Brexit. The Tories will either eat themselves and or / form an alliance Farage's Brexit Loonies, Labour will disappear up Corbyn's ass of lack of leadership, which leaves the Lib Dems. So far the only party that recognises that there is no deal better than the one we have, and standing on a platform of Revoke therefore. It's a risky strategy, but at least it's clear and forthright. I'm not sure that's correct Parliament are the servant's of the People not the other way round and they have done everything to ensure that they thwart the outcome of the referendum,that is not about Sovereignty. Why all the support of the Lib Dems the joint architects and supporters of Austerity,folk have short memories. How long do you not vote for someone because of something they did before?
The Lib Dems were wiped out after the Coalition, That was the price they paid. Meanwhile the Main party of the coalition and or austerity has remained in power
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Post by trevorgas on Sept 25, 2019 8:07:28 GMT
I'm not sure that's correct Parliament are the servant's of the People not the other way round and they have done everything to ensure that they thwart the outcome of the referendum,that is not about Sovereignty. Why all the support of the Lib Dems the joint architects and supporters of Austerity,folk have short memories. How long do you not vote for someone because of something they did before?
The Lib Dems were wiped out after the Coalition, That was the price they paid. Meanwhile the Main party of the coalition and or austerity has remained in power
Personally I would never vote for them as they trashed my own personal principles in a rush for power,as for the Tories time will tell.
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Post by peterparker on Sept 25, 2019 8:11:59 GMT
How long do you not vote for someone because of something they did before?
The Lib Dems were wiped out after the Coalition, That was the price they paid. Meanwhile the Main party of the coalition and or austerity has remained in power
Personally I would never vote for them as they trashed my own personal principles in a rush for power,as for the Tories time will tell. I hope to live for at least 40 or so more years yet.
I don't wed myself to a party or anything like that. I will whole heardetly say I have voted for all 3 of the main parties at least once in various elections in the near 20 years I have been able to vote.
I would not want to have some principle that stopped me voting for Labour or The Libe Dems od Conservatives in 30 years time because they did something in 2010
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